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Message started by Jerry Eichenberger on 10/02/13 at 13:24:10

Title: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 10/02/13 at 13:24:10

I hope most of you have heard of the Honor Flight program to fly groups of WW II veterans from around the country to visit the WW II Memorial in Washington, DC.
There is a column in today's Washington Times about a group of vets who showed up either yesterday or today and was initially refused access to the memorial because of the shutdown, and there was yellow police tape around the place. A group of Republican Congressmen personally removed the tape and escorted the vets in. Despite threats, no one was arrested.
In a follow up article in the Times, it was just announced that the Republican National Committee will be paying to keep the memorial open.
Another play by the Dems to try to get people to forget that the House has now sent about 4 or 5 budget resolutions to the Senate, where Harry Ried and his cohorts continue to play a game of chicken.
The author of the two columns in the Washington Times is someone I know and trust a lot - my daughter, who is a daily columnist for the Times.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Dane Allen on 10/02/13 at 16:00:38

3A35393338353E323522373522500 wrote:

Very nice!! And a justifiably proud Papa :) I did follow that story and what is funny is that it was built with private contributions and maintained with private funds. I also saw a arial picture of the place, it doesn't have an entrance, it is like an open field. I don't even know where they could get enough barricades to surround an open field. Probably cost more to close it off.

Oh, and the Army - Navy (or Army Air Force) game was cancelled and it isn't even funded by government at all. I wonder if Obama will have the Eiffel Tower closed off due to the shutdown ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by oldNslow on 10/02/13 at 18:27:27

These are guys who walked up a beach in 1944 where Germans were firing machine guns at them. Did anyone in DC really think that a few overweight, overpaid, donut munchers in National Park Service uniforms were going to keep them from visiting THEIR memorial ?

Read this:

http://freebeacon.com/shutdown-theater/

Then someone try to tell me that the current POTUS isn't a childish, arrogant, despicable sh*t-weasel.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/02/13 at 19:00:49

National Park Officials closed down the educational Claude Moore Colonial Farm near the CIA in McLean, Va., even though the federal government doesn't fund or staff the park popular with children and schools. Just because the privately-operated park is on Park Service land, making the federal government simply its landlord, the agency decided to close it.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/shutdown-overreach-more-guards-at-wwii-memorial-than-benghazi-park-service-closes-park-it-doesnt-run/article/2536710

How bout them horse apples?!?!

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Midnightrider on 10/03/13 at 00:30:27

Jerry I don't like to brag but I donated a little money to it. I'm glad someone had the balls to cut the tape. Im sick and tired of the way the government has been treating our veterans. I talked to one a while back who hadn't been home 3 months. I could own a gun but he couldn't. He described the brainwashing he had to go through in detail.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Starlifter on 10/04/13 at 13:10:15

“I hope most of you have heard of the Honor Flight program to fly groups of WW II veterans from around the country to visit the WW II Memorial in Washington, DC.
There is a column in today's Washington Times about a group of vets who showed up either yesterday or today and was initially refused access to the memorial because of the shutdown, and there was yellow police tape around the place. A group of Republican Congressmen personally removed the tape and escorted the vets in. Despite threats, no one was arrested.
In a follow up article in the Times, it was just announced that the Republican National Committee will be paying to keep the memorial open.” Jerry

Ha ha, "They stormed the gates!!!!" is how the GOP Press was reporting this… Right. A bunch of 80 and 90 year old WWII vets crashed the place and forced their way in.

First off, the vets would have more dignity and respect for the memorial than to do something like that.

With all due respect to Jerry, the teabagging nut brigade Repubs who showed up there act like they're effing’ heroes for this, when they caused this darnn mess in the first place. That’s right. These tea bag, ass*hole, congress vermin shut it down in the first place, then they scramble to escort the vets in so they can have a big photo op while saying "we won't let ANYONE keep our vets out!"

Dirty tea bagging nuts using the WWII vets for photo-opps and propaganda…Discussing spectacle.

I am not critical of all Repubs as there are (probably) a majority of those ‘old school’ Republicans in the House who are embarrassed about this tea bag circus, and would like to do the right thing and pass a clean bill NOW... But apparently the baggers for some unknown reason have them cowed.

Where are the lefties? WM wrote. Well I for one have been away and am leaving again Sunday as Ms. Starlifter’s mom is in Hospice in New Jersey.

This is Jerry’s thread and I respect Jerry as a close and personal friend so I chose to respond to his thread, and I think he will forgive me for the anger expressed above. As for the rest of the lunatic fringe (with some exceptions) currently posting nonsense here on the TT, I don’t have time nor interest to waste effort posting right now.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 10/04/13 at 13:27:20

Star -
Sorry to hear of your mother-in law's illness. All the best to you and yours.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Midnightrider on 10/04/13 at 13:35:07

Star glad to see you back my friend. Iwas fixing to PM you to make sure you were OK. I hope your family health problems get better. Take care and stay healthy!

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Starlifter on 10/04/13 at 17:15:08

Thank you guys. She is 95 and in the last stages of Alzheimer’s. She was a great lady yet now she doesn’t even know who we are. She is 90 pounds and confined to a bed wearing diapers… That is such a terrible disease. My dad passed away several years ago from Alzheimer’s. He was a wonderful person and I cling to the memories of the ‘good times’… I pray they find a cure.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by WebsterMark on 10/05/13 at 05:06:05

Other open air federal parks were left alone. Hopey closed this one hoping for a photo-op, knowing full well his friends in the media would cover his a$$ which they've tried to do. This president is an awful, dangerous, embarrassing, etc.... There are not enough words to describe how damaging he has been, and continues to be, to this nation.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by WD on 10/05/13 at 16:37:48

Star, family ALWAYS comes before a job or an internet forum. Do what you have to do to help your wife through this. Plenty of time later for the regular nonsense of this board section.

Let me know if you need anything.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by WebsterMark on 10/08/13 at 05:37:10

Bringing this back up because the hypocrisy is just mind boggling with the Fed's selective enforcement of this shutdown bull$h!t.

If a national park sits within a state's border, can't the state keep it open if they want to spend the money?

Doesn't this prove we have too much federal intervention in our lives?

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Pine on 10/08/13 at 06:39:47

7A484F5E59485F604C5F462D0 wrote:

Probably boils down to jurisdiction/ownership.
Its been reported that the national parks service(NPS) has been TOLD to make the shutdown as painful and obvious as possible. And apparently, its really causing some NPS staffers to reconsider their careers. Several have stepped up to say that pressure is being put on them from Washington, to make this hurt.

I strongly suspect, that such power-plays fall along party NPS higher ups. Here in Mississippi, parks were closed, but no bone-headed crap has come of it. Why? Mississippi is mostly a republican state, and so Washington, would be leery of demanding they play along with the political game. Would be interesting to see how park closings worked out on a red/blue map.

Don't get me wrong, the pug, congress started the game... the dems are just milking it. As far as I can tell both parties are VERY HAPPY with the shutdown as long as it makes their party out the winner(or conversely - not the loser). Once public opinion shifts largely one way or the other, that's when the game ends. However, I am loving the news reports, showing folks just hating on congress.. regardless of party! Party politics seems blind to this. So far "if its bad for them is good for us" it their mantra... what they fail to see... its bad for BOTH parties.

... AND I am very good with that!

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by WebsterMark on 10/08/13 at 07:39:30

I'm not quite as cynical in the sense I lump both parties together completely. To a certain degree, ALL congressmen close ranks and protect one another when the institution itself is under attack, but other than that, each party member fights according to what's in their best self-interest first and party ideology second.

What's in their best self-interest varies according to the individual, but ideological fights are fairly well defined.

There is a clear difference between conservative ideology and liberal ideology. I happen to think the Republican ideology is better for myself and the country as a whole so I support them despite mistakes they make.

I guess I'm saying I'd far rather have a crooked Republican in congress than a crooked Democrat. Unfortunately, but there is no 3rd option.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 10/08/13 at 07:58:38

Once more, I get sick at all of this talk of every politician being crooked. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Sure, a few bozos have gone to jail, but so have members of every other occupation.

Maybe the days of the 2 party system are waning. To me, it makes far more sense to have 3 parties - one far right wing like the Tea Party, one centrist party, probably made up of most current Republicans and some current Dems, and there a Liberal party, made up of the left wingers.

Then the people have a much clearer choice. But for it to work, you'd need to amend some election laws to provide that the candidate who gets the most votes is the winner, even if less than 51%. Then of course, you have an elected official who didn't get a majority of the voters behind him, but Europe has functioned this way for a longtime.

Title: Re: WW II Honor Flights
Post by Pine on 10/08/13 at 09:10:20

454A464C474A414D4A5D484A5D2F0 wrote:

Sorry Jerry, didn't mean to pollute your thread with so much negativity. However, I didn't say that any of the politicians were crooked. Crooked would be easy to spot and weed out. No, they are not crooked, they are beholden.... to a party. They are playing party politics to support the future election of themselves or other party members solely for the benefit of themselves or those party members. Unless you honestly think there is a good reason that benefits the PEOPLE of the US with a government shut-down? Who is benefitting? political parties - anyone else?? Not that I can think of...