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Title: Shooting in D.C. Post by babyhog on 09/16/13 at 15:57:29 Came inside and saw on tv there has been a shooting at the Navy yard in Washington. 12 dead..... |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Dave on 09/17/13 at 13:11:55 I am not aware of the details.....but it amazes me that the people at our military bases aren't armed and able to defend themselves. Where are the people with the guns who can shoot back at these crazy misguided folks? |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by apache snow on 09/17/13 at 13:15:41 I believe that in 1993 Pres Clinton by executive order declared that all military bases would be gun free zones. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/17/When-Military-gun-free |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Serowbot on 09/17/13 at 14:38:52 5B4A5B59525F4954554D3A0 wrote:
Do you believe everything on BB.com?... Don't... I'm on DMAFB every other week,... they are armed at all gates, 24/7... and many, many other places... Full auto rifles and pistols... On alerts,... they have trucks with 50mm guns at each gate... |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by old_rider on 09/17/13 at 15:16:41 Gun free on the base for everyone except those that are authorized to carry them by the base commander. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by HondaLavis on 09/17/13 at 17:05:01 Coming on and off post every day at Ft. Hood, YES there are certain individuals authorized to have a weapon on post. If I bring a weapon on post, it has to be registered with the provost marshall, I must declare it at the gate, and I must show paperwork and verify the serial numbers of the firearms. I am only allowed to transport them directly to the range I'm going to. You may not carry - concealed or otherwise. At the gates, there are normally just soldiers with M9's, maybe one or two with M16's. If they have mags, they aren't inserted in the weapon. Depending on the NCO leading the gate guard, they could be issued to the individuals and in their cargo pocket, or they might be "accounted for" in the guard shack. Guard is just another extra duty for regular soldiers, and they generally get little if any training on anything beyond checking ID's and post decals. The only people readily armed and trained on an Army installation are the MP's with loaded M9's. Quote:
M16's haven't been auto for a long time. Does the Air Force carry M249 SAW's at the gate? 50mm guns... you mean .50 cal machine guns? M2?! Feels like overkill to me... :-? http://www.defenseprocurementnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/More-M2-contracts-GD-Maine.jpg |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by raydawg on 09/17/13 at 17:14:30 A very sad story....but as old as recorded time. We can never assure our safety without major intrusions into our freedoms. We can lay blame, speculate, and yet, evil will still exist. On a side note, this week in Seattle a couple just walking along the streets after a game were attacked. This assailant attacked her first, he intervened, he died from his stab wounds later in the hospital....no rhyme or reason, just evil on the loose. A lot of Monday morning quarterbacking has pursued, carrying a concealed weapon being just one, etc. A very sad story again, a wonderful life lost, and maybe more. Can we ever escape the "threat" or possibility of evil, no, I offer. You can, however, be ready to move beyond fret and worry by assuring yourself this life is only temporary anyway, none of us get out of it alive..... Where we go from there however is a choice...... |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by raydawg on 09/17/13 at 17:17:08 0027262C2904293E213B480 wrote:
Well her weapons aren't concealed....thats fer sure :o |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by oldNslow on 09/17/13 at 17:24:25 1A212C3B2A263D3B2028253A490 wrote:
A lot of the military installations around DC, including the Navy Yard, are really nothing more than office complexes, not military bases per se. Access is restricted; you need ID to get in, but once inside they are not much different from any other large office building. Their internal security isn't much different from what you would find in a large corportate headquarters. Most of the people inside are not going to be armed - not as a matter of policy, but just because most folks are not routinely armed in those kind of settings. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by pgambr on 09/17/13 at 17:33:16 Has our society regressed that much? When the disaster in Japan happened, it looked liked they helped one another and began rebuilding asap. I didn't read stories of looting and other rioting like Katrina. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by apache snow on 09/17/13 at 18:12:41 From someone who knows the situation first hand. "I lived on an assortment of military bases from 1985 till 2005. I was not allowed to "legally" have in my possession any firearm or ammunition of any short. The only personnel allowed were those on duty as Military Police and then only while on duty. Mostly at their post at gate guard. I was allowed to own a firearm, but if I lived in the barracks it had to be locked in the arms room. Getting that opened was a task that had to be approved by the Commander. If you could catch him or her in the office. Usually they lived off post and were not inclined to leave their home for your convenience. So getting one opened during the Navy shooting just was not going to happen for a few hours. Every base has a small number of Security personnel. Usually armed with pistols only. Anyone that wanted to reek havoc on a military base can easily do so. They will likely not survive it! But as we can see, one man took out a number of our people. If five men wanted to do this, if ten men wanted to do this." |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by WD on 09/17/13 at 19:10:10 My navy base in the USA, only the gate guards and a small USMC security detachment were authorized for live ammo on base carry. Personal weapons were locked up in the battalion armory, accessible only by, at minimum a Gunner's Mate 1st Class (E6). The base commander preferred access only by Senior Chief (E8) Gunner's Mate or higher rank, and you were escorted off base before being handed your field stripped personal firearm and your personal ammunition. When you returned with it to the base, a GM1 or higher met you at the main gate, collected your ammo, bagged and labelled it, and dismantled your personal firearm. At the base in Spain, only Marine Security Detachment members (on duty), whichever SEAL team was there at the moment, Masters at Arms, and Armada (Spanish Navy) Police were authorized to carry, unless you were on flight line or pier mount out security. And you did NOT want to draw either of those duties, because if you had an a.d.w. (accidentally discharged weapon) incident, you would rot in the brig until the base commanders (US AND Spanish) decided it was time for you to stand trial... |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/17/13 at 19:28:23 The first report I heard yesterday was he was carrying a sawed off double barrel that he could hide in his jacket.. He took weapons from soldiers he gunned down, semi auto pistols and AR's. Being an employee there I'm sure he had it planned and timed out. His roommate said he would lock hiself up in his room and play shootem up bang bang video's all night. One thing these mass killers seem to have in common is spending hours playing evil video's. I think the video's make killing more complacent. There's no consequences for pulling the trigger and if you're good enough you receive all kinds of awards and recognition. Are they having trouble distinguishing the real world from a game. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Trippah on 09/17/13 at 20:57:13 I hear that the man was hearing voices.....and all those who died were civilian employees of the DOD/Navy. It is truly sad but in a land awash in guns, anytime someone goes whacko, this can be the result. We all have to die someday, but this should not be the way. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/17/13 at 21:19:58 Aww, Gee,, He has gone totally WACKO several times,, YET, No Jail, Keeps his clearance,, Its almost as if Someone WANTED him to do this.. BTW, have you heard what drugs he was on? GO Lookjing,. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by WebsterMark on 09/18/13 at 05:27:31 Aww, Gee,, He has gone totally WACKO several times,, YET, No Jail, Keeps his clearance,, Its almost as if Someone WANTED him to do this.. BTW, have you heard what drugs he was on? GO Lookjing,. I'm dreaming right?..... I'm dreaming and in my dream Mr. Jog is starting to lay the groundwork for anther conspiracy theory...... Wake me up!... Wake me up.... |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/18/13 at 06:42:00 Made to hap[pen? Naah,, allowed? Look at his police history, shooting out tires, shot into a neighbors apartment,, No Jail;, Kept his clearance,,YOU believe thats how thingsare done? |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/18/13 at 20:26:29 Morals are all but gone, television and video games make it look like taking a life is a part of life. People are beginning to have a hard time separating real life and media. I'm not John Wayne and I know it but sometimes I wish I was. Five years ago road rage was uncommon. Ten years ago if your neighbor was sick you mowed their yard and made sure they had something to eat. Fifteen years ago if someone died there was a long line at the funeral home. Its all changed and not for the better. People cant handle the bad changes and whats going on around them. You raise a dog to become loving and caring and that's what he is. You raise a dog to be vicious and that's what he is. The world is becoming more vicious. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/18/13 at 22:17:42 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252#FBM286850 BBCsays swat told to stand down,, Advertisement 18 September 2013 Last updated at 17:51 ET Share this page Share Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene By Debbie Siegelbaum BBC News, Washington Investigators continue to work the scene at the Navy Yard two days after a gunman killed 12 people on 16 September 2013 On Wednesday, investigators continued to process the scene Continue reading the main story Navy Yard shootings Profile: Aaron Alexis Profiles of the victims Don't expect gun restrictions More details about Navy Yard shooter Watch One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal. A tactical response team of the Capitol Police, a force that guards the US Capitol complex, was told to leave the scene by a supervisor instead of aiding municipal officers. The Capitol Police department has launched a review into the matter. Aaron Alexis, 34, killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard. "I don't think it's a far stretch to say that some lives may have been saved if we were allowed to intervene," a Capitol Police source familiar with the incident told the BBC. Assault weapons ready Continue reading the main story Aaron Alexis Defence subcontractor IT worker who had a valid pass for Navy Yard Full-time US Navy reservist from 2007-11, ranked petty officer 3rd class Said to have been Buddhist convert, had gun-related brushes with law in 2004 and 2010 Reportedly suffered from sleeplessness, paranoia and hearing voices Profile: Aaron Alexis A former Navy reservist, Alexis was working as a technical contractor for the Navy and had a valid pass and security clearance allowing him entry to the highly secure building in south-east Washington DC. About 8:15 local time (12:15 GMT), Alexis entered Building 197, headquarters for Naval Sea Systems Command, which builds and maintains ships and submarines for the Navy, and opened fire. Armed with a shotgun and a pistol he took from a guard he had shot, he sprayed bullets down a hallway and fired from a balcony down on to workers in an atrium. He fired on police officers who eventually stormed the building, and was later killed in the shootout. Multiple sources in the Capitol Police department have told the BBC that its highly trained and heavily armed four-man Containment and Emergency Response Team (Cert) was near the Navy Yard when the initial report of an active shooter came in about 8:20 local time. The officers, wearing full tactical gear and armed with HK-416 assault weapons, arrived outside Building 197 a few minutes later, an official with knowledge of the incident told the BBC. 'A different outcome' According to a Capitol Police source, an officer with the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD), Washington DC's main municipal force, told the Capitol Cert officers they were the only police on the site equipped with long guns and requested their help stopping the gunman. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote Odds are it might have had a different outcome” Jim Konczos Capitol Police Officer When the Capitol Police team radioed their superiors, they were told by a watch commander to leave the scene, the BBC was told. The gunman, Aaron Alexis, was reported killed after 09:00. Several Capitol Police sources who spoke to the BBC asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal. Capitol Police Officer Jim Konczos, who leads the officers' union, said the Cert police train for what are known as active shooter situations and are expert marksmen. "Odds are it might have had a different outcome," he said of Monday's shooting and the decision to order the Cert unit to stand down. "It probably could have been neutralised." Capitol Hill Police chief Kim Dine has ordered "a comprehensive, independent review of the facts surrounding the Capitol Police's response to the Navy Yard shootings". The Capitol Police Board responded by establishing what it called a "Fact Review Team", led by Michael Stenger, a former assistant director of the US Secret Service. Earlier, Capitol Police spokeswoman Lt Kimberly Schneider said its officers had "offered and provided mutual support and assistance at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday". 'A blind eye' Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Terry Gainer, who oversees the Capitol Police department, confirmed officials were pulling radio logs from Monday's incident and interviewing the officers involved. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote Aaron is now in a place where he can never do harm to anyone, and for that I am glad” Cathleen Alexis Shooter's mother "It's a very serious allegation and inference to indicate that we were on scene and could have helped and were told to leave," he said. "It crushes me if that's the case." Mr Gainer said that while the department's primary responsibility was to protect the Capitol complex, which houses the US Congress, that mission did not allow it to turn a "blind eye" when asked for help. Gwendolyn Crump, a spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police Department, which protects the city of Washington DC, said allegations that a Capitol Police Cert team was on scene and later stood down were "not true". Alexis had a history of mental health problems, previous gun-related brushes with the law, and citations for insubordination. On Wednesday, Alexis' mother apologised to the victims and said she was bewildered by what had motivated her son as everyone else. "I don't know why he did what he did, and I'll never be able to ask him why," Cathleen Alexis told MSNBC from her home in New York. "Aaron is now in a place where he can never do harm to anyone, and for that I am glad." "To the families of the victims, I am so, so very sorry that this has happened. My heart is broken." Meanwhile, US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel acknowledged "there were a lot of red flags" in Alexis' background that had been missed in the security clearance process which ultimately resulted in his having access to the secure building where he undertook the attack. "Why they didn't get picked up, why they didn't get incorporated into the clearance process, what he was doing, those are all legitimate questions that we're going to be dealing with," he told reporters. Right call? Continue reading the main story The victims Michael Arnold, 59 Sylvia Frasier, 53 Kathleen Gaarde, 62 John Roger Johnson, 73 Frank Kohler, 50 Kenneth Proctor, 46 Vishnu Pandit, 61 Martin Bodrog, 54 Arthur Daniels, 51 Mary Francis Knight, 51 Gerald Read, 58 Richard Michael Ridgell, 52 Profiles of the victims He said he had ordered the Pentagon to conduct a wide-ranging review of the physical security at all US defence installations across the world and of the security clearance process. "Where there are gaps, we will close them," he said. "Where there are inadequacies, we will address them. And where there are failures, we will correct them." A Capitol Police officer who heard the Cert request over the radio to engage the gunman reported colleagues within the department felt frustrated they were told to stand down. The officer described a culture in which emergency responders are instructed to not extend themselves beyond the Capitol grounds for fear of discipline. "They were relying on our command staff to make the right call," another Capitol Police officer said. "Unfortunately, I don't think that happened in this case." |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Paraquat on 09/19/13 at 06:20:56 Why do we have to rely on the Brits for local news? Oh, yea.... --Steve |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/19/13 at 10:22:53 Because they're not Pubs or Dem's |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/19/13 at 14:07:42 I may sound like a broken record, but this guy is akin the Adam Lanza, Jared Loughner, the Asian guy at Virginia Tech, and a couple of others. All sound have been in mental institutions long before they committed mass murder. BUT, about 20 years ago, our country started this crazy idea that mental patients need to have civil rights, just like sane people. Until we recognize that mentally disturbed people can create a real danger, and once they are identified, lock them up for real treatment, and only let them out once they are really straightened out, if they ever can be, these people will wreak havoc over and over again. Alexis even filed a police report in Rhode Island that some people were following him, and attacking him with a microwave machine. He should have been locked up on the spot when he makes statements like that. But our country has dismantled the whole of the mental institution systems in virtually every state, thinking that these people can be treated and medicated and allowed to roam free. Enough is enough. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/19/13 at 17:23:51 YOU really didnt get that, Jerry? Seriously? You dont think the Navy KNEWhe was wacked out? They didnt take his clearance, SWAT WAS TOLD TO STAND DOWN< |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/20/13 at 20:29:16 Jerry they had one more thing in common, violent video games. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/20/13 at 20:53:18 58697A69797D697C080 wrote:
The best one is that girl from BBC announcing building #7 has fallen 20 minutes before if fell. Watch BBC and you will not only be up to date you will be ahead of the times. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/20/13 at 21:22:19 Web people don't take responsibility for whats going on around them. Plenty of people and his criminal record proved he was crazy but absolutely no one would take responsibility and do their job. The Police, the Military, his Mother, it could have been stopped Too much trouble, don't want to get involved. All this comes out after the fact and then conspiracy theories get started because once word gets out people knew beforehand they believe its supposed to happen. Edward Snowden found out whats happening and ran for his life.I haven't really kept up with this one so in order to say anything that might be misleading I'll be quiet for now.. My neighborshouse was robbed 2 weeks ago and I'm 99% sure who done it but the police have done absolutely nothing except talk to my wife because she's retired law enforcement. They could have got a warrant the next day and searched the thieves house. Enough people have told the police the theives house is a drug haven but even the police wont get involved. People throw their hands up and say whats the use? The smart ones buy a good gun, LEARN HOW TO USE IT and keep an eye out and look out for themselves. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by arteacher on 09/21/13 at 06:07:16 14303D37303E312D2B303D3C2B590 wrote:
+1, and I have been saying this since the '60s. "There's too much violence and hate on TV. Your children are learning to be what they see." -from a song I wrote while in a band in '66. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Paraquat on 09/21/13 at 07:05:48 http://https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/p480x480/15088_536272506450853_1465552762_n.jpg Ban assault democrats! --Steve |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/21/13 at 13:26:21 Look at the eyes of these 4 people. Any question to you if they are mentally disturbed? Yet, they each roamed free. Why weren't they in a mental institution? It's obvious to anyone who looks at them objectively that they are all mentally ill. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by oldNslow on 09/21/13 at 13:42:35 Read what this guy says. He's an MD. Practiced medicine for a good while before he became a political commentator. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-real-navy-yard-scandal/2013/09/19/ddfde26a-2162-11e3-a358-1144dee636dd_story.html |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/21/13 at 15:01:39 "Its always the weapon and never the shooter" Thank you Jerry. I mentioned in a previous post if a gun wasnt available, he had a gate pass and could have drove a van loaded with fertilizer through the gate. Mental illness is a hard disease to treat and each individual case is usually different. It seems barbaric to lock these people up but usually there's only 2 choices, padded cell or give them so many downers they don't know what planet they are on. The bought and paid for news media acts like mass shootings are something new and guns are causing it. The largest mass shooting ever took place in the 40's and 40 some people died.. I'm not a Dr but people need to take more responsibility for the actions of family members and pay more attention to whats going on around them and not blame it on a gun. The Navy, Law Enforcement and his mother knew the guy was sick but no one cared enough to intervene. Who is really at fault? The gun is just a machine. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/21/13 at 15:08:59 Midnight - It's far tougher to intervene today. Nationwide we have eased up on involuntary commitments, closed mental institutions, and here in Ohio, we even had a "mental patient's bill of rights" passed some years ago. Just a part of the increasing liberalization of so-called "rights". While there certainly were abuses in the past, we need to do something to protect society from lunatics before, not after, they cause havoc. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/21/13 at 22:31:04 What part of The COPSCalled &WARNED the Navy is beyond you guys? IMO, he should have been arrested & jailed long before this. How many of you think you could fire a round into a neighbors apartment & not go to jail? Shoot tires out on a car lately,anyone? Anyone here think youd walk if you did?> |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/13 at 03:59:59 Happens all the time Jog. Read the crime report of any major US city. There is no conspiracy here, just blatant incompetence / apathy on the part of those in the criminal justice system who deal with dozens and dozens of people like this everyday. Remember, just a little while before the Columbine shootings, one of the killers, Harris I think it was, finished a probation program where it was noted after he completed the course that "he was a bright young man and would go one to have a happy and successful life." Everyday, killers are arrested and if you look back through their rap sheet, all you can do is say holy cow, here is where he should have been put away, or here, or here...... These rap sheets are a mile long. It's Sunday morning around 6 am as I write this and I'm in Kansas City. When I get back home to St. Louis this afternoon and read the paper, someone will have been murdered Saturday night. I guarantee you, the killer would have been arrested at least once before for some other violent act like robbery or assault. Guarantee you. Does the fact he was allowed to walk the streets last night and kill someone mean there's some type of conspiracy? No. It means an overloaded police force and judicial system who have become accustomed to letting violent offenders walk until they do something so extreme, like murder, only then do they lock them away. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/13 at 07:41:22 Happens all thew TIME? Crap,, This guy hada security clearance. The cops CALLED the Navy &reported him,, But,Okay,, Ill believe its your way Assoon as I see someone in the Navy severely disciplined. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by WebsterMark on 09/22/13 at 11:46:05 Don't hold your breath waiting for that..... Our Ambassador got killed and the woman responsible is going to run for President.... |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/22/13 at 12:39:18 Run? She isnt "Running",, She stepped aside at therequest of her masters, the global elite, for Bammy toi be handed it,, She IS the next pres,.no matter who runs against her,,BUT, I can assure you, she will not be facing anyone who has a chance. Our candidates are selected inb such a way as to assure the outcome & SHOULD someone accidentally win, the votes Are countewd by machines owned & operated by the same criminals, so,, we Get who They want us to have, |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/26/13 at 10:44:33 I think a lot of the south and southwest will vote GOP this time because the Dem's have pissed everyone I know of over the gun deal. Americans are supposed to be free and since Obama's watch began we've lost a lot of freedom and its still going on. The dems haven't created enough jobs to matter no matter what they tell you. They've raised the debt to unrealistic levels but the trouble with the GOP is they run clowns or someone like Paul Ryan who is pure evil. I read 2 days ago(i'm not gonna paste it because I'm unsure of the website) Obama has been caught in 254 official lies. I'm ready for a lot of changes but Washington would have to be cleaned out for that to happen. No one in Washington is going to represent or look out for us until we scare them like our forefathers wanted. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by oldNslow on 09/26/13 at 19:23:43 Quote:
A lot of them voted GOP last time. Fat lot of good it did. http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/27/13 at 07:56:54 OS Let me say a lot more will vote GOP than last time. You try to take any of my possesions away I bought and paid for and there's gonna be a fight. I'm a walking dead man with the diseases I have and I aint got a dam thing to lose. I know I'm gonna die any day, that can make a man dangerous. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by oldNslow on 09/27/13 at 08:21:19 Quote:
You may be right. I hope you are. But I just don't think the next election will turn out much different from the last one. There are only a few states that really matter in presidential elections, and the GOP isn't likely to do any better in those places next time around. In fact I expect Fla. and Virginia to switch from being possible swing states to being pretty reliable Dem states in future national elections. That's pretty much going to sink the GOP's chances of winning the White House IMO. I hope I'm wrong. But that's the way things look to me. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/27/13 at 10:56:43 OS I hope yo're wrong to, I just cant see anyone vote for Hillary but I'm sure they will. The Pubs are gonna have to quit picking out clowns to run or they're gonna disappear. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 09/27/13 at 11:08:12 Midnight - Of course, 2016 is a long way off, and lots will happen between now and then. Historically in the last 40 years, former governors have done quite well in presidential elections - they are out of and above the fray of Washington politics. Carter, former governor of Georgia, elected in 1976. Reagan, former governor of California, elected in 1980. Clinton, former governor of Arkansas, elected in 1992. GWB, former governor of Texas, elected in 2000. Romney is the only former governor since the 1970s to lose. So, my bet at this very early stage is Hillary vs. some former Republican governor. Maybe Rick Perry, maybe Jeb Bush, maybe our own John Kasich from Ohio. A former governor doesn't have the baggage that a Senator or Congressman will have. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/27/13 at 14:22:07 Aint gonna make a hoot how many vote GOP. The GOP will continue the same policies, Just as Bammy has followed in bushes footsteps. OUr electeds dont set policy, they follow orders. The unelected are running this country. You guys dont remember Hillary talking about how nice it is having the CFR located in DC? Ill paraphrase We dont have to go too far to be told what we should be doing, |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/27/13 at 23:19:02 Jerry, Rick Perry is one of the clowns I'm talking about. My opinion is he's almost an embarrassment. I don't know a lot about the Republican govenors, I'm a registered Democrat because of George Bush's war but that can change. I've said it before, Palin, Michelle Bachman, Herman Caine, Rick sleeveless sweaters, they're almost an embarrassment to the country. No matter how good you think Romney would have been that 42% remark was idiotic and I think that cost him a lot of votes. To make it fair the Dem's have some LULU's too but they haven't gone as far in politics as the Pub's I've listed. Paul Ryan is evil. He hates people like me who cant fend for themselves even though I worked and made and paid a lot of money into the system. Got a workers permit when I was 12 and started paying SS. As long as I was in school,no taxes but they took out SS. I had to go out on disability when I was 55. I believe I deserve the little check I get every month. Its no longer SS, its a government benefit.If Ryan and Hillary runs I'll write in my dog. I pray every night Ron Pauls son, Rand would learn something from Dad but the more he opens his mouth the worse it gets, he's got a lot of racial baggage. Jerry you're right, its a long time until 2016. I hope we're not Chinese by then. |
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Title: Re: Shooting in D.C. Post by Midnightrider on 09/27/13 at 23:24:57 Jog I believe the GOP is the only reason we still have our guns, everything else always changes for the worst. |
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