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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> Counties in California LEAVING the state .... /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1378481877 Message started by Oldfeller on 09/06/13 at 08:37:57 |
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Title: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Oldfeller on 09/06/13 at 08:37:57 http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-california-county-secession-20130904,0,607131.story http://www.trbimg.com/img-522778fb/turbine/la-me-ln-california-county-secession-20130904-001/600 They say they want to form another state OR to join up with an adjoining state. Say California is not properly representing them with laws and regulations, etc. etc. Lots of truth in that statement ... Just some more California "can of worms" stuff to be sure, but this could get nasty all over the nation if allowed to happen. California will quickly shrink down quite drastically to just the LA basin if this secession is allowed to go forward. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by mpescatori on 09/06/13 at 08:49:34 Orefornia... or Calenada ? (Calgon already used for washing machines...) ;D I don't see Alicornia / Calizona any time soon... |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Paraquat on 09/06/13 at 09:10:46 Awesome. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Serowbot on 09/06/13 at 09:18:00 If they really want to secede,... they should do it right, and move to Texas... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Dane Allen on 09/06/13 at 09:41:15 7264736E76636E75010 wrote:
+1 - I would say Nevada but Harry Reid and the unoins have crashed that State too. The crime families never left, they just changed names and jobs. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by oldNslow on 09/06/13 at 11:03:24 Pipe dream. All the movie stars would just move up there and F**k everything up, just like they did in Colorado. >:( |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by WD on 09/06/13 at 13:51:23 And Montana. >:( |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Starlifter on 09/06/13 at 17:27:19 Idaho is full of militia groups, tax evaders, survivalist, gunhumpers, anti-government groups, end-times peoples, rapture ready cults, flat earthers, snake handlers, bomb makers etc. just to name a few. Out west I guess there is a place somewhere for everyone… Myself, I would prefer San Francisco. :D |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by WD on 09/06/13 at 17:45:28 Yep, Idaho is a hunk of the Ozarks or the Appalachians, hacked out and dumped in the middle of nowhere... ;) Haven't been through SF in better than 20 years, unless you count the airport, then it has been since 1998 or 1999. It's a good bit more conservative than Portland OR, a bit more conservative than Seattle WA. Both of which smell better than the Frisco Bay area does. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/06/13 at 20:10:20 Move to Californy that's the place you ought to be, swimming pools, movie stars! Pack up the truck and move to Beverly |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/06/13 at 20:23:14 Its a lot easier than packing up, buying a new house and moving ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/06/13 at 20:59:23 My real wish is that any state that wanted to could withdraw from the union and have Ron Paul for president. That way we could mind our own business like Canada, create our own industries and look after our own people and property and strive to create a real democracy, not this bull sh!t we have now. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/06/13 at 21:04:31 LIBERTARIANS!! Wewant to take over the world & Leave YOu alone.,. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Steampowered Boy on 09/06/13 at 21:14:07 as a resident of LA County i encourage everyone north of Bakersfield to become part of Oregon. I will even help you draft the secession paperwork and stump for it to pass. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Serowbot on 09/06/13 at 22:28:14 A C-section?... Isn't that just a quick way out?... Where you end up in the same place anyway?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by WebsterMark on 09/07/13 at 05:21:39 This is all a bi-product of big city government that's liberal, unionized, one party (Democrats) etc...maintaining long term control of state government and ruining a state's finances. Toss in crybaby environmental wackos with their demands on telling how everyone else should live while sticking someone else with the bill and why wouldn't rural areas want out? My next door state of Illinois is a perfect example. Chicago sucks up every penny and then demands statewide gun laws for example that have zero to do with the rural farmlands down south. Everything south of Springfield should be known as Southern Illinois. I think they're getting pretty tired of funding crooked Chicago politics. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by oldNslow on 09/07/13 at 06:52:37 0A383F2E29382F103C2F365D0 wrote:
Pretty much the same way a lot of us disgruntled old bast**ds in western New York feel. New York politics is driven by the downstate counties and NYC. That's where the majority of the idiots live. They decide what our taxes, gun laws, and all sorts of other annoying, economy killing rules and regulations are going to be, and they elect the majority of folks in our state government. The population in my part of the state is not high enough to counteract the downstate stupidity. Unfortunatley the bigger cities in this part of the state - Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse are inexorably turning into smaller copies of NYC with all of the problems endemic to places like that - lousy schools,urban street gangs run amok, incompetent police forces,buisness geting the hell out, etc, etc. :( The suburban areas surrounding these cities are still hanging in there, but the rot at the center is spreading outward like a cancer. Some of the suburban areas on the fringes have slid downhill noticably in the last ten or so years. :( |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by WD on 09/07/13 at 07:17:12 Country folk in my area are trying to get out of Shelby County, courtesy of Memphis, the festering cesspool of the South. Felons (spousal abusing crack wh0re, and black gangsters) on the city and county councils, a mayor more interested in "polishing union knobs" than correcting the "black blight white flight" rampant in his city, county economic development funds "diverted" (that means stolen) by the city to support failing city transit and "social" programs (for welfare trash blacks, whites are not eligible)... Every treasonous, traitorous, lying, thieving cheating s.o.b. on either council has a D behind his name... |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/07/13 at 09:36:25 :(I think before its all over there will be another civil war except this time there wont be a Mason Dixon Line.I've never seen people so riled up over city, state and federal goverments The cops are becoming Gestapo. Elections are rigged. The government has spent my SS money and is arming the SS offices, what does that tell you, all the time spending trillions overseas. I was talking to a friend last night and he moved to another county because there were 1600 kids in a school designed for 350 where his children went. We're building schools in Africa while ours here are no where being adequate. Webster is right about crooked city politics. Obama is busting his a$$ to get rid of guns, the government buys over a billion bullets. There not fools, just crooked bastards. They know its coming Why do you think the Patriot Act was created, to spy on us. Smart meters on your electrical meter, they'll know when you're home A friend of mine had a smart meter put on his house yesterday. He told the power company he didn't want it. The power people whooped outa set of papers and said you can refuse it, sign right here but your power will be cut off.Next year cars will have black boxes on them. Used to be the Federal Government screwed everything up , now the state and cities have joined in. ObamaCare could have been a good thing but as usual the government furked it up All our phone calls and emails are being recorded now. Gangs are running the streets of our cities while a cop writes you a ticket for doing 7 miles over or shoots an innocent person. The Constitution and the Bill of rights are quickly becoming toilet paper. How many innocent foreigners have we killed in the last 12 years blowing up women and children but its wrong if another country does it. They ship all our jobs overseas and acuse us of being too lazy to work. We need to once again turn into the home of the brave. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by oldNslow on 09/07/13 at 11:07:19 Mightnightider wrote: Quote:
Read about the war in Bosnia - hard to believe it was 20 years ago - to get a picture of how another civil war might go down in this country. No front lines; neighbors fighting neighbors based on their ethnicity;shifting alliances as the advantage shifts from one group to another; people who lived side by side in peace for years suddenly forced to become enemies to insure their own survival. Instead of Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats think White, Black and Hispanic militias fighing one another, all the while trying to deal with a government/military apparatus trying to clamp down on everyone at the same time. No good choices. Try to run - to where? Or pick a side and live or die by that decision. This is what pitting one ethnic, religious, economic,political, or whatever, group against the others by a countries' political leaders ,for their own benefit, leads to. There was a time when Americans, regardless of their background, were more or less united by a belief in the values on which this country was founded. I don't think that is the case any more. Divide and conquer has been the prevailing strategy of the ruling political class in the US for most of the recent past. We have not had a government " of the people,for the people" for a good while. Elections have become irrelevant. There is no important difference in the philosophy or the agenda of either major party. Their only concern is remaining in, or regaining power, so that they can partake of the benefits of being in that position. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/08/13 at 22:35:15 3C2A3D20382D203B4F0 wrote:
WE could beef up the Alamo |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/08/13 at 22:55:02 I'm all for the states seceding. How else are we gonna change whats going on. If you get a bad governor or state representative impeach him right away. Each state could be run like a business. There's a few honest politicians out there like Jerry's son but they'll never make it to the Federal Level. Romney did an excellent job in Mass, pulling the Dems and Pubs working together. Great health care system. But when he ran for POTUS he did a 180 every day and scared the sh!t out of me. We cant seize the White House but we can withdraw. Right now I believe the States could do a better job. Let the Feds keep their 1 billion bullets. The States could concentrate more on the infrastructure, schools, roads, bridges, energy, good paying jobs, things the Federal Government has lied about. Pull out of the UN. Gangs should really be put to work as chain gangs and made to work on roads and bridges. WD claims that lot of states are sh!tholes but with the right leadership they could be turned around. Just have a law where we could impeach the gov. officials immediately. They're supposed to be scared of us, not the other way around. Do what you promise or you're out.Thats what a real democracy should work like. If I don't do my job correctly I'm fired, the same thing should go for politicians. I consider myself a patriot but things have gone to far gone to be straightened out by conventional means. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Serowbot on 09/08/13 at 23:26:26 Midnight,.. I specified Texas on purpose... because Texas, of all places couldn't,... ...as they are,.. Texas is the biggest financial leach on the US... California would have the best chance... they are the 8th largest economy in the world... They give much more than they take... If you look at a map... the blue states generally give more than they take,... because they are urban, and have big business... It's an irony that the the most leachy states are the small government states... They no not what they ask... :-?... ...(input numbers are bigger for many blue states, (this is often touted by the Tea Baggers).. but compared to output, they subsidize the poorer states)... |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by oldNslow on 09/09/13 at 06:16:48 Quote:
The possibility of states seceding appeals to me too, but I think the chance of it happening is beyond remote. I think a viable first step would be term limits for ALL elected offices. Get ride of the permanent political class and things would almost have to improve. The next thing to go should be public employee unions. Espcially the Federal ones. Those are the folks who really run things anyway, and they have pretty much no accountability to the citizens who pay their salaries. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/13 at 07:01:26 C-Sections are badfor the kid. Took my mom YEars to get me tostop climbing out the window. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/09/13 at 08:21:27 :-/I believe that's the way to get Washington's attention without firing a shot. I not interested in who supports who.Whats left of the Federal Government can disappear along with the UN, Council on Foreign Relations, ambassadors With the right honest politicians in office the state can concentrate on its weaknesses and develop its strengths. If the politicians cant do the job or be honest about it boot them out. Does anyone really thing Weiner or that governor from SC should have run again. Any politician that acts like those 2 should pull time for misleading their supporters. How else are you gonna stop it. Politicians should be held to a higher standard than the average citizen but we let them get away with anything including murdering innocent people in other countries. If the Federal Government wants to survive they can protect our borders with 1/3 of the weapons and soldiers we have now. If not the states could have their own militias and concentrate on self protection. Stay out of the middle east and quit selling OUR oil to Japan and other countries and no one will bother us. You ever heard of Bavaria? 80% of its power is wind and solar. If the Federal Government would stop giving billions to the oil and tax the oil companies that could happen here. States can work together a lot better than our do nothing congress and Our King who took an oath to protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights outright lied. I don't do anything illegal unless you call these post on the forum unpatriotic., but I don't want to be spied on 24-7. Obama is scared of our guns and he's building a military that destroys crowds with microwaves. He used Trayvon and New Haven as a distraction to get everyone on the anti gun bandwagon. The 3 months the media broadcasted Trayvon probably there we several accidental shootings everyday, Also there were thousands of rounds fired everyday at target ranges. I dont like it but accidents are going to happen with guns just like riding a motorcycle but for the most part it is a sport like riding a motorcycle. Romney created a great health care system in Mass but he did a 180 when running for POTUS. I'm losing 2 doctors because of Obamacare, one I,ve been with over 15 years and she's saved my life more than once. When she told me last week she was retiring tears rolled down my cheeks. Everything in Congress and Washington gets worse, the only way we can stop it without firing a shot is to secede. Almost every state has resources to bring in revenue, even the desert can be set up for solar power and wind power. Trade electricity for oil, no biggie.Instead of California seceedig Kick ths state government and the governor out and start all over again.. Theres a lot of people living off the government in New York, Chicago, Detroit etc but let them vote on it. Most people don't want to be bums and with the chance of a new government they might give it a chance. Washington and our economic terrorist have totally ruined this country and if we don't do something soon We're doomed It wouldn't cost a million to run a state funded campaign. I think election donations should not be over $200 and we should have more debate air tme to familiarize who we are really voting for. Hategroups will be coming out of the woodworks if we continue on our present path. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by mpescatori on 09/10/13 at 08:35:00 122C2D21332F2E400 wrote:
Way back in the 1970s I read a report on the USA, and it described California as such a well-off State, that if it were independent it would have been the 7th or 8th richest Nation in the world.ù In the 1970's... Still... I can imagine an independent Alaska or Puerto Rico, but I really cannot see an independent Hawaii, much too many strategic interests in the pacific Ocean. On the otherhand, in the US don't keep an eye on ethnic groups, come 50 years Hawaii might well be an independent Chinese State, like Taiwan. The Chinese seem to be alrerady the relatively largest ethinic group in the Archipelago. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/11/13 at 01:02:17 Back in the 70's mansions , garages and swimming pools were being built in California that no one can afford now. The economy was booming. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Serowbot on 09/11/13 at 01:18:22 Texans,... beware... When the Chinese come to collect?... Demo's plan to hand over Texas... Lemember the Arimo!... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/11/13 at 07:02:23 Make sure China gets the governor of Texas to!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Trippah on 09/11/13 at 19:25:10 Well, Romney did very little for or in Massachusetts. He buckled under pressure and signed the healthcare legislation in Mass cause it was going into effect either way; the State Legislature had the votes to override any veto. Romney wanted to look like he was in control so he signed it into law..but again only because he was looking ahead to his run for President (how'd that work out for ya?.) His answer to everything was deregulate and privatize allowing his friends to build up new companies providing the same services the State Workers were providing, but now the workers get less money and fewer benefits..and the cost to the taxpayers dipped only for a couple of years and then sprang up again. Yes, it is the model the republican Party favors. It is the party of the righteous few. |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Pine on 09/17/13 at 14:37:35 A couple of states tried that back in the 1800's... didn't work too well. Its not like the confederacy invaded anyone. A long while back I found (on the net) where the US supreme court made a ruling to make the "civil war" legit. (to the winners go the spoils) You can go look it up yourself if you have a mind to... basically "naaa naa we won you suck". And oh, once you get in there is no leaving. However... a rowdy group of unaffiliated people can overthrow the government (that IS legal)... yeah they had to allow that or the formation of the US to begin with would be against our own laws. Pretty messed up if you ask me. But of course that is attempts to leave the union.. I suppose these folks just want to break off to another state. I guess Cali could start a war and kill em all??? |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/30/13 at 23:03:42 The Boston Tea Party started because England raised the taxes to 2% |
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Title: Re: Counties in California LEAVING the state .... Post by Midnightrider on 09/30/13 at 23:42:16 "A long while back I found (on the net) where the US supreme court made a ruling to make the "civil war" legit. (to the winners go the spoils)" Pine where did you find that at? |
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