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Title: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by WD on 08/18/13 at 16:13:52 If you have had an airbox or oil sump with gasoline in it, list it. If your shifter linkage has bent or snapped, list it. Has been ongoing with the model since at least March of 1998, when I first found a Savage forum. Time Suzuki addresses their bad research and development, and beyond bad quality control department. Before someone gets killed. Thank you. I'll start: WD, linkage on 1998 LS650PW snapped in half in traffic, spring 1999, one year of ownership. I know of several others, 20+, off the old forum. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/18/13 at 18:07:06 No Fuel into places un-known,, IF I had gas in the air box, it has long ago gone away. Raptored at 20,000 miles, just a few months ago, 2005 model. Twas runnin crappy.. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by mjs3790225 on 08/18/13 at 18:12:49 mjs3790225 - 1996 LS650 Savage
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by mtlsir on 08/18/13 at 18:49:26 Good idea WD 1998 savage P raptor petcock at 33000km and really stiff shift linkage look like some slighty bent inward |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Johnny57 on 08/18/13 at 20:01:41 4500 Fuel in Airbox, changed to Raptor. No problems since. 4900 Snapped linkage in traffic. Half ass welded it and it snapped again. Put a new one on. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by ToesNose on 08/19/13 at 04:17:55 2007 S40 Raptor petcock, slightly bent shift linkage. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by old_rider on 08/19/13 at 04:45:24 2004 LS 650, 4,000 miles, 1 cup fuel in air box, changed to a raptor petcock, fuel problems solved. Shimmed pilot valve needle and adjusted fuel/air ratio screw to get rid of backfires. I consider these, a safety issue and poor mechanical practices. Just because "its always been done that way", does not make it right. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/13 at 04:46:38 7C595E58584F0301360 wrote:
Johnny57, if you would be so kind as to go here and fill out the nice little on-line reporting form -- you had you an actionable safety issue with the gasoline in your airbox. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/index.xhtml |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Oldfeller on 08/19/13 at 04:49:20 6A6961776C616077050 wrote:
Old-rider, if you would be so kind as to go here and fill out the nice little on-line reporting form -- you had you an actionable safety issue with the gasoline in your airbox. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/index.xhtml |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Dave on 08/19/13 at 05:29:23 NOTE: Post on this thread your specific problem.......Not just replacing the petcock because you thought it was a good idea. If you had a petcock fail and cause gas in the air box, crankcase or floor - or if the petcock caused running or reliability problems. We are looking for specific problems that can be reported to establish a factual basis for Suzuki to address this problem. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by bobert_FSO on 08/19/13 at 06:02:52 2001 Savage. Replaced petcock in 2011 at 14k miles. Issue was fuel starvation in low-vacuum situations during cold weather and at highway speeds above 60mph into headwinds. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by wearsabrowncoat on 08/19/13 at 11:56:12 Shift link broke in traffic. 97 Savage with ~12,000 miles. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by HAPPYDAN on 08/19/13 at 18:43:41 I'll jump in here, also. I have a 2012 S40, and at 1049 miles the motor just "conked out". I quickly switched to reserve, no luck. Then coasted to the shoulder, tried to re-start several times. Opened the tank, could see fuel splashing. Switched to PRI, waited a few seconds, started right up. Went home and installed a Yamaha Raptor petcock, and no problems since. Now at 2000+ happy miles and the bike runs better! |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by PhantomII on 08/20/13 at 04:11:22 I don't mean to cause any trouble, but maybe you should also have people list the cam chain tensioner failures, it seem to me that if that thing fails while your in a turn and locks the motor up someone could end up in a spill. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Oldfeller on 08/20/13 at 04:28:07 It is a reasonable enough question and needs answering. The answer I have right now is that the tensioner inverting and spitting the spring into the gears causes a gear crunch event as the thin spring material gets run through the gears. It doesn't stop the engine or break the cases or the gears (so far anyway). It just makes a hell of a noise, just once. I am sure it isn't good for the main ball bearings, no sudden load of that nature would be. No one has ever gone down over it that I know of -- WD, any info from the previous Bert's List? |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by WD on 08/20/13 at 05:27:58 Crashes? Not that I can recall. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Digger on 08/22/13 at 20:10:59 My OEM petcock started misbehaving on my 2001 Savage in 2006, when I had about 6000 miles on it. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1152108113/0 Bike was running rich under some conditions, which indicated to me that fuel was leaking into the vacuum line and on into the intake manifold. No visible fuel in said vacuum line, but could smell a faint odor of gasoline in there. Found some raw gasoline in the airbox's drain tube, though, about 1/2 ounce. Ran in PRIME successfully with no problems for several years before switching to a Raptor. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Steve H on 08/23/13 at 04:24:58 Petcock failed at just over 23,000 miles (26 years old). No visible leaks. No leak in vacuum hose unless engine running. When running at idle, sloppy rich and stalling, bucking and jerking at low speeds. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Boofer on 08/23/13 at 16:26:46 Mine was failed at 7400 miles when I bought it. First time I got a little froggy with the throttle and ran up through the gears it quit. Raptored awhile later after seeing it on here. No problems except let gas go bad once and had to drain, put on filter and refill. :) |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by HondaLavis on 08/23/13 at 18:51:18 2001 Savage Replaced petcock with raptor at 4000 miles Had problems with fuel delivery/starvation in stop/go city traffic Delivery was also insufficient at sustained highway speeds. Both cases caused dying. My dad's bike: 2007 S40 Shift lever bent severely at 2500 miles. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by PMo85 on 05/25/14 at 21:18:50 My shift link broke on my 2013 today going from neutral into 1st after backing out of a friends driveway Only 4700 miles on the bike |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/14 at 21:23:01 Have you had problems getting into first gear? |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by PMo85 on 05/25/14 at 21:59:35 3E2127203D3A0B3B0B33212D66540 wrote:
I have for a little while. It also felt like it wouldn't go all the way into 5th. Like it only went up 1/4 of the way |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by verslagen1 on 05/25/14 at 22:09:45 any bend in the rod will cause it to fail in time. when shifting, don't force it, you can damage the shifting forks and that'll be it. If you're having trouble shifting while moving, apply pressure in the way you want to shift and let out the clutch slowly, it'll pop into gear. When stopped, you can do the same thing or rock the bike back and forth. trouble shifting some times indicates it's time to change the oil. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by WD on 05/25/14 at 23:27:49 5E4D5A5B44494F4D4619280 wrote:
I've had my 2003 for about a month and a half and right at 2100 miles. Time for oil change #3 to finish flushing out the T6 dregs from the clutch pack... |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Bluesman on 05/26/14 at 09:12:53 1997, 16000km, erratic running, shifted to non-Yamaha "Raptor" petcock. 8-) - problem solved. No issues with the shifter - yet - but thanks for the heads-up. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by PMo85 on 05/26/14 at 10:04:06 It must have been that the rod was bent because I am religious about changing my oil. I change it every 800-900 miles Good thing is I've got so e of Mule's forward controls coming to me so I'll replace it all in one shot 8-) Thank you gentlemen |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by doh13 on 05/26/14 at 11:28:47 I am in the process of getting a neglected 99 savage with 1400 miles running (waiting on carb Float) from reading this forum and its wealth of good info I decided to order the raptor petcock right away and not worry about having petcock issues. Now i haven't had the bike running yet but I noticed that the shifter linkage has a funny feel to it almost "grindy" when moving it back and forth (not far enough to shift) i greased up all of the linkage and was thinking maybe theres grit in the linkage somewhere. Now i am paranoid about the shift linkage breaking as it seems to be common.. is the "grindy" feeling shifter common the bike hasn't been started yet and hasn't ran in over 7 years which could be causing the grindy feel? Lastly Why the heck hasn't Suzuki Been on this forum listening to these common problems with the bike informed owners have had to fix themselfs that could cause serious accidents and or motor damage and should be low cost for them to fix for future models.. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by WD on 05/27/14 at 00:17:27 They've known since at least late 1998. They just don't care, the Savage is their "loss leader" entry level beater street bike. They literally used to send out 2 per dealership, whether the bikes were wanted or not. I know a local to me dealership that has brand new still in the crate 1990s reintroduction and newer Savages/S40s stacked up outside. He puts them in an unlit, poorly secured part of his property and hopes the scrappers will steal them. He absolutely LOATHES the model, won't even sell replacement parts for them. If you show up on one you are told to leave and never darken his door again. The owner's manual for my 1998 gave a projected service life of 5 years... and that was for sunny weekend summer barhopping type use. Very low mileage service life expected. Suzuki makes it money off C50 and GSXR sales, the rest of the line is just "fluff" or window dressing. The LC1500 was a spectacular flop, the VS series looked like something from bad anime movies, and the bikes that truly ran right (1500/1600 Marauders) were rebadged Kawasaki Vulcan Mean Streaks with ugly headlights swapped on... The Savage is an easily defused ticking time bomb. WE have worked out most of the design flaws. In the words of the late lamented Iron Horse Magazine... "F*** the Factory"... |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by strang on 05/27/14 at 03:19:12 2006 LS650 Savage converted to Raptor petcock at 6,000 miles to solve fuel delivery problems. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Dave on 05/27/14 at 03:53:03 3833346D6F5C0 wrote:
You should take the shift pedal off, and clean the shaft and bushings....then grease them. The shift rod bending and eventually braking does happen - but it is not a high percentage of the bikes. Mostly from folks that get too aggressive with stomping on the pedal. As Verslagen mentioned - if the bike does not want to shift when stopped just rock the bike forward or backward a touch - the transmission dogs will not engage if they are not lined up and a little rocking will get them to engage. Stomping on the pedal to get the bike into 1st gear is not a good habit to develope.......it can bend the shift linkage. |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by eruby on 05/27/14 at 06:52:50 2000 Savage with 5,000 miles: Fuel in airbox, sputter and backfire with no power - Changed to Raptor Petcock. Problem fixed Noticed my left toe was not in same physical location. Looked and shift linkage was bent. Tried to straighten with BA screwdriver. Need alternate fix. I believe I did this myself by just stepping down on the shifter when a light turns green just to make sure I was in 1st. The linkage looks very flimsy. I am now a gentler shifter :) |
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Title: Re: List your petcock/shifter failures HERE please Post by Dave on 05/27/14 at 09:40:59 5D4A4D5A41380 wrote:
When you bounce a boot on the long shift lever...the force is amplified a bunch by the time it reaches the very short lever on the other side from your toe (it is a leverage thng). Maybe we should consider the flimsy rod to be a blessing - it bends before the excess force has a chance to get inside the gearbox and break things. I know several have talked about making stronger shift rods to bolt on.....I am not sure that is a good idea? Dave |
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