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Title: US Health Care Cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/14/13 at 19:05:20 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/08/14/us-health-care-costs.aspx?e_cid=20130814Z1_DNL_art_2&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art2&utm_campaign=20130814Z1 |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Serowbot on 08/14/13 at 22:50:13 It do suck... I have a broken finger right now,.. I won't pay a few grand for a doctor and x-rays just to have them tape a splint to it,... When I was a kid, I broke my arm,.. it cost $65 for an x-ray and a cast... if I'd been in England, it would have cost nothing... Today,.. it would cost $8,000.... in England it would cost nothing.... Medical extortion is the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US... it's not laziness, or credit card binges, or gambling, or even job loss or divorce... It's sudden catastrophic illness... Can you spare $40,000?... $180,000?... or $1.3 million?... I don't even understand how they can speak of such numbers... And if you have insurance,.. believe me, they will try to cancel it through any loophole they can find... This happened to Skatergirl, if you remember, and she fought them from her deathbed... How horrible that she spent those days worrying about costs... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 08/16/13 at 08:37:58 I think your cost estimates are a little high. Back in early July on a very rainy day, the tile floor in our lobby was wet and slippery as grease on a door knob. I rounded a corner too fast with leather soled shoes, and went down like the victim of a safety blitz, and slammed my left side into the wall. I tore my bicep. Since I take Plavix, I bruise and bleed very easily. My entire left arm, from wrist up thru the armpit was as purple as a grape. I went to my family doc. He diagnosed the torn bicep, said there is nothing to do for it except for time for it to heal, and he reminded me why there aren't any 66 year old quarterbacks. All I paid was for a simple office call. $20 co-pay and I was out the door. Arm is normal now, except for some residual shoulder immobility, which is slowly improving. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Serowbot on 08/16/13 at 09:06:23 Jerry,... you know I'm not talking about what your co-pay is... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 08/16/13 at 09:11:29 My point is that for a simple break in a finger bone, you won't pay "thousands" to get a splint. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/13 at 09:30:19 Im disabled, on medicade, or care,, whatever.. fell, ripped a previously wounded rotator cuff. MRI, My cost, bout $90. Co-Pay to the Dr, all told, gonna be around $700.00, I think. I owe the anesthesiologist $25.00 Ive had a physical therapist coming to my house now for weeks, at first, it was M_W-F, now just M/F, My cost? Zero.. Hospital charge on the bill $38,000.00, which Ill be paying about $600.00.. Considering the pain, the absolute necessity of the surgery, all combined, I am absolutely tickled with the health care system, as is,, Im not seein it be so good in the future, Well,, Actually, I was MUCH more impressed when I was in my 20's. I paid about $10.00 a month to carry a Blue Cross Blue Shield card & could walkinto any dr office & get help.. Not now,, |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Serowbot on 08/16/13 at 09:59:38 JOG,.. you do realize that Medicare is government healthcare, don't you?... So was your Blue Cross back in the day... How can you be happy with your care, but want to get rid of it?... or is it that you want it for yourself, but not others?... All that Obama was originally trying to do, was expand Medicare for everyone...(the "Mandate" was added to get Repub's to sign on)... The mandate isn't going to work,.. eventually the issues will resolve and the program will become Medicare for everyone... This is the slow, ugly process of American legislation... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 08/16/13 at 10:09:40 Serowbot - You're probably right, but I like the slow process of American legislation, and I don't think it is ugly. Here's why: Haste makes waste - old saying, but like most old sayings, it has a lot of truth behind it. Are you English? Your comment in this thread about English health care made me wonder. Look what has happened since WW II in England, with hasty legislation. The Liberals were in power shortly after the war, and they nationalized the railroads, coal mines, and most of the English auto industry. The country's economy fell into disaster. Then here come the Conservatives, and reverse much of that nationalization. Talk about a yoyo - total reversal of national policies, almost overnight. No stability at all to their economy through most of the post war period until the late 1970s. I like a slow, thoughtful and deliberate process of making important decisions. Sure, rarely there are emergencies that have to be dealt with quickly, such as the 2008 financial meltdown, but thankfully, those emergencies are indeed rare. For everything else, history has shown me that a measured pace of debate, experience, and decision making based on that debate and experience works best. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Serowbot on 08/16/13 at 10:36:43 I am English born,.. but a US citizen now... Quote:
If this were reality,.. I would agree... ...but, it isn't measured or thoughtful... and it isn't done with the interests of the people in mind... It tends to involve pandering to lobbyists, and special interests,... and distortions of fact, and manipulation of people... Serious, measured debate, would be a welcome change... The interests of the nation and it's people are seldom even on the table... The problems in the systems we create are seldom due to differences in ideology, or method... more often they involve overcoming roadblocks intentionally set by each side... That's the ugly bit... Reasonable men, could come up with reasonable solutions... the best we can do is create an intentional mess,.. and hope to fix it, piecemeal, over time... as each side's unreasonable demands are shown to be folly... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Dane Allen on 08/16/13 at 11:16:04 6670677A62777A61150 wrote:
I understand your concern for the high costs but what you are failing to take into account is the rationing that takes place in England and Canada to keep costs down as the expense on human pain and suffering. $ hour wait to get into the ER, 12 month wait for hip replacement, 18 month wait for knee replacement, mandatory blindness from macular degeneration in one eye before treatment for the remaining eye. You can pay the $8,000 now or spend a week in near unbearable pain to pay the $8,000 in vastly inflated taxes now. Choice is yours. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Serowbot on 08/16/13 at 11:22:05 Dane,... 1 in 5 Americans have no care... that is rationing as well... it just ain't you... Does that make it okay?... As far as waits,.. when were last in a ER?... 4 to 7 hrs, is normal here... Surgery's have waits, too... ...but,.. the US has much more money than most other countries... it doesn't follow that a US health system has to be a financially strapped as some other country... ... if we all started drinking tea, would we all start speaking with British accents?... ;D... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WD on 08/16/13 at 11:24:16 Look at the health care systems in successful countries, duplicate it here. Pretty simple concept. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Serowbot on 08/16/13 at 11:31:27 +1!... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/16/13 at 13:06:59 But thats not what they did, AND, we are BROKE as a nation,, You increase you kids allowance when you cant pay th bills? |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WD on 08/16/13 at 13:44:46 No kids, haven't paid rent in months (family property, so no biggie, work it off instead), don't go to the doctor unless something needs stitched up or is broken that can't be handled at home. I'm kinda of like Spain or Greece... They needed to duplicate the systems of Germany, Sweden, Denmark, etc. All of whom are doing better economically than the USA, because the gov't there actually tries to make people successful. Are there welfare leeches? Sure, but nowhere near the numbers, and not for generations at a time (not counting the Gypsies and other undesirables). |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Dane Allen on 08/18/13 at 10:06:58 4751465B43565B40340 wrote:
I respectfully disagree as everyone, including illegals, can go into any ER are get treated regardless of ability to pay. The ER is required by law to treat every person who comes in. Quote:
The difference is whether the wait is to schedule an opening for all the surgical team members to come together or if the wait is soley an artificial wait to control costs. The 18 month wait for knee replacement is only for cost control not because that is the fist open slot to book a facility. Quote:
The American system is, or was, the best system in the world. That level of care costs money, having access to MRIs all day long costs money and we are all better off for having it. Obama care isn't about healthcare, it is about health insurance. Healthcare doen't get any better under Obamacare it is just that more people are pressed into the system. More people equals more use within the same infrastructure that is simultaeneously be pummeled by Obamacare. I have lost 3 doctors in the last two year to Obamacare and it is only getting worse. The analogy I use is that granting "access" with Obamacare is like giving hungry people free access to an 1/2 empty grocery store with expired food and horrible customer service. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Tony S on 08/21/13 at 19:38:29 Dane, if you are hungry you'd probably be glad to have access to a half empty grocery store that has lousy customer service. The people that have no ability to get health care matter too. That those of us with insurance will now find longer lines at the doctors office is a poor reason - certainly and un-American reason - to say we just let people continue to do without. The USA does not have the best health care system in the world. Not by any ranking. We are - compared to the other 190 or so countries in the world - well above average. Top 15-20%. No where near the best. We don't live the longest. We are fat and out of shape. We waste a lot of medical money on unneccessay tests. Too many people can't go to the doctor. And for some of the most advanced treatments - like cancer - rich Americans head for Europe. Jerry. You realize the point is that you have health insurance and at least 30 million - maybe more like 40 million - Americans do not. That is why you went to the doctor and it cost you a $20 co-pay. Just for the fun of it, why don't you call your doctor anonymously and ask them what a private pay, no insurance office visit costs? Bet it's over $100. And there is the worst part of the irony. Just having insurance makes things cheaper. Because the insurance companies negotiate discounted rates. Those individuals without insurance are the ones that are charged the most for services. The difference can be huge. For the last several years I've been on a Consumer Driven Health Plan with a Health Savings account. My statements show the normal charge and the discounted plan charge. Sometimes the insurance plan price is about a third of the normal charge. 40% less is common. Our office visits - btw - are normal price of $140 and the insurance company discounted price is $81. There are a lot of small employers - employers that pay decent wages - that would like to offer insurance to employees but cannot due to costs. Just letting these small employers pool together in large groups be treated like a large employer helps a lot. A friend at Church is one of those employers. Small tool and die outfit. 10 employees. They had one guy that had a heart attack five years ago and the next year the premiums were through the roof. No one could afford it. The solution in place is far from perfect - the result of a failed effort at a bi-partisan plan. But at least it recognizes the problem exists and moves towards a fix. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Serowbot on 08/21/13 at 22:24:11 +1 Tony... nicely stated... Welcome to SS.Com... ;)... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/13 at 04:06:50 Ive Been w/o insurance. Ive been treated well & for low$$$. The dr knows what he will get, & when, no cost to him to pay someone to file, no cost for handling pmnt..Cash CAN do ya right,, YOure not gettin out for $20.00, BUT,youre not payin premiums monthly, either,. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WD on 08/22/13 at 06:11:37 Got a bill in the mail yesterday from a doctor I saw months ago. Insurance decided that over $400 of that 20 minute visit would not be covered. And I have BC/BS... >:( |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/13 at 08:53:45 You can pay that out so long & slow you dont even feel it, except for the hassle of sending a payment,, Was your deductible not yet met? |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Paraquat on 08/22/13 at 09:07:02 I have Aetna. I got a physical (no co pay), and a weird leaky blood vessel thing removed and 6 stitches put in yesterday. My appointment was at 5:15. I was outside the building by 6pm. Can't wait for the bill. --Steve |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/13 at 09:46:17 Vitamin C is what the body uses tomake stufflike vessels,, If you have high colesterol And leaky veins,, go study |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Paraquat on 08/22/13 at 11:13:18 I took the entire last year to get "healthy". I got my weight below 200 lbs, I can bench 240 Lbs, capable of a 7 minute mile, and I'm training for a 5k with a best time of 22:26 so far. I'm in the best shape I've ever been in my entire life... and it seems more is going wrong now than ever before. --Steve |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/22/13 at 11:29:43 If youre not eating organic,, yep If youre drinkin loads of fluoridated water, yep. If you use a microwave you destroy the food value inmany ways, Do you eat Any raw vegetables? |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Dane Allen on 08/22/13 at 14:40:44 777B797D77727875677C25140 wrote:
That is the point, the store doesn't need to be half empty with rotting food, it is made that way on purpose, so that everyone can be equal in misery rather than making something work for all. Most young people don't even want or need (thier own words) health insurance, why force someone to buy what they don't want? Why not cover what people really need, which is catastrophic medical? Quote:
Fat and out of shape is cultural and has nothing to do with our healthcare system. Obamacare won't make me thin, happy and live to 100, obamacare is about coverage not the quality of treatment. Welcome to the forum!!! :) |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WD on 08/22/13 at 16:27:30 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
I don't know. I go to the doctor maybe twice a year, kicking and screaming the whole way. Unless I'm out cold, or have leaked enough red stuff to be loopy. I don't trust doctors as far as I could throw them, used to be alright, until malpractice insurance premiums drove most American/European born out of the health care field. If I'm aware of what is going on, and get a 3rd world or Chinese born doctor, I leave. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Tony S on 08/22/13 at 16:37:05 41646B60446969606B050 wrote:
That is the point, the store doesn't need to be half empty with rotting food, it is made that way on purpose, so that everyone can be equal in misery rather than making something work for all. Most young people don't even want or need (thier own words) health insurance, why force someone to buy what they don't want? Why not cover what people really need, which is catastrophic medical? Quote:
Fat and out of shape is cultural and has nothing to do with our healthcare system. Obamacare won't make me thin, happy and live to 100, obamacare is about coverage not the quality of treatment. Welcome to the forum!!! :)[/quote] Thanks for the welcome! Young people don't want to pay SS and medicare taxes either- but we make them anyway. Young people don't want car insurance (for that matter neither do a lot of old people) but we make them buy it anyway. Individuals will make choices - given the chance - that benefit them in the short term but can potentially hurt themselves and everyone else in the long run. What exactly is catastrophic? What's catastrophic at 20K a year is not at 100K and it's chump change for a millionaire. The deal is, nearly everyone if they live long enough will need expensive medical care. The point of insurance is to spread the risk. Young people, like it or not, need to carry health insurance just like they have to pay into Social Security and Medicare. We as a nation need their $$ now to keep SS solvent - and we need their good health in the insurance pool to keep rates affordable. If the only people out looking to buy insurance are the people that need lots of care, the premiums are astronomical. Young people do get sick occasionally and incure 5K worth of medical bills. And when they can't pay - everyone else does. Through higher costs. If you have a primary care doctor - and what we are talking about are the 30-40 million people that do not so rely on emergency rooms - then you get preventitive care. More of which is covered at no cost under the Affordable Care Act (or Obamacare if you like) If your actually obese, your primary care doctor should be talking to you about that as it is a serious health risk that leads to a large number of chronic (therefore expensive) medical conditions. So if you have a primary care physician, health insurance and access to medical care, you may in fact find that your doctor can increase your odds by a lot of living to 100. Insurance and accessiblity to health care is likely the primary reason 27 other countries' citizens live long than us in the US of A. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Tony S on 08/22/13 at 16:52:55 5E6F7C6F7F7B6F7A0E0 wrote:
Thanks to jogging, more perfectly healthy people are dropping dead of heart attacks than ever before. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Paraquat on 08/22/13 at 20:48:20 ;D My lunches are salads. The lettuce is bagged Stop and Shop brand but the tomatoes, cucumbers, red onion, and green pepper are all grown in the parent's in law's garden. I either bring in tuna or a baked chicken breast for a protein. Can't get away from the flouride. --Steve |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 08/23/13 at 06:18:09 I've noticed a phenomenon that hit me over the last few years. I've got a case in Chicago that has gone on for 5 years, and I'm up there every month or so. I've noticed how the general population that I've seen on the streets doesn't appear to be nearly so fat as people are here in Columbus. One of the other lawyers from New York and I were talking about that, and his comment was that big city folks walk far more than folks do from small towns or medium size cities like mine. I think he's right. My clients walk several blocks, twice a day, every day, from the train stations to and from their offices. They walk several blocks each way to lunch each day. If they have to go to another office to do business during the day, they mostly walk. The judge in our case is 71, and looks to be 55. He said the same thing - he walks a lot every day. If you look at the places that have the most obese populations, they are in the rural south where people seldom walk anywhere. A doctor who hangs out at my airport told me that weight loss is simple - eat reasonable ( small ) portions of food, and walk 30 minutes a day, every day. Do that, and your weight will come down to normal for your body type and height. I took his advice, and I've slowly lost 11 pounds since May. I still need to lose 20 more pounds, but I've made a good start. But the key, according to him, and I think he's right, is to lose weight slowly, like you put it on in the first place, so your body adapts to the "new you" as you go, and then you don't yo-yo back up, like most people do after they finish the latest fad diet and then gain back all they lost, plus more. Of course, the walking helps lots of other things too - heart, breathing, etc. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/23/13 at 12:39:31 I lost 21 lbs since April. I'm a diabetic. My sugar went from 130-80. Didn't follow any diet. Told my wife to quit sitting food on the table, I'd fix me something when I felt like eating. Back to medical cost, I've had 2 MRI's 2Xrays, an EKG and my usual medicine, 3 dr's appointments. I have Blue Cross. My copay this month was more than I bring home.I have 9 different diseases with Lupus and Diabetes at the top of the list. If this keeps up I have no other choice but to file for bankruptcy. I had blood clots in my lungs last Nov and almost died. I'm on Cumadin now. My doctor told me if I wreck my motorcycle I would bleed to death before anyone could get to me. I'm not even supposed to shave unless I use an electric razor. I look like ZZ Top LOL. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 08/23/13 at 12:49:00 Midnight - Sorry to hear of all of these maladies. I'm on Plavix, but not Coumadin. Does your BC coverage have a max annual out of pocket? Most of their plans do. It's easy for doc offices to miss it if you have a max annual out of pocket. Like the lady we know I wrote about a few posts ago, who has a $4,000 max out of pocket, then BC pays 100% of everything. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/23/13 at 13:43:17 I'll check into it Mon. Thank,s Jerry |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WebsterMark on 08/24/13 at 06:34:31 Any "healthcare" plan that requires the hiring of 16,000 new IRS agents, is not a healthcare plan. You can complain of things now all you want, but just wait..... |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/24/13 at 11:35:49 Fri my doctor of 15 years told me she was retiring. Tears rolled down my cheeks. Her and I are close. She's saved my life a couple of times. She wouldn't come out and directly say it but we both knew its because of Obamacare. I have 9 different diseases with Lupus and Diabetes, high Blood Pressure and Heart Disease at the top. I don't know if I can find another doctor that will take care of me like she did. I know I'm gonna die some day but I don't want to die because some idiot doctor screwed up. I'm afraid most of the good doctors will retire because of the stupidity of Obamacare. What could have been a great resource was furked up by Congress. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Starlifter on 08/24/13 at 14:05:21 “If you look at the places that have the most obese populations, they are in the rural south where people seldom walk anywhere.” JE Jerry, I knew from the beginning of this comment that southern people are not fat because they are lazy and don’t walk anywhere. It’s POVERTY in the rural south that is the culprit. Here is the REAL problem: <Snip> People from the rural south are fat. With an adult obesity rate of 33%, the rural south has gobbled its way to the "chubbiest” area in the USA. According to a new joint report by Trust for America's Health and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia and Tennessee aren't far behind, with obesity rates over 30%. In fact, eight of the 10 fattest states are in the South. The region famous for its biscuits, barbecue and pecan pies has been struggling with its weight for years — but then again, so has the rest of the country. Wisconsin loves cheese, New Yorkers scarf pizza, and New Englanders have been known to enjoy a crab cake or two. So why is the South so portly? For one thing, it's poor. Mississippi is not only the fattest state in the nation, but also the poorest, with 21% of its residents living below the poverty line, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. Alabama and West Virginia, the second and third fattest states, are tied for fifth poorest. With a poverty rate of 14%, the South is easily the most impoverished region in the country. "When you're poor, you tend to eat more calorie-dense foods because they're cheaper than fruits and vegetables," explains Jeff Levi, executive director of Trust for America. Poor neighborhoods also have fewer grocery stores, even in the rural South. A 2004 study by the University of South Carolina found that most food-shopping options in rural areas fall into the convenience-store category because grocery stores are located too far away. <End snip> ...and so it goes. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/25/13 at 06:34:49 Calorie dense foods.. likePizza &Ice cream? Dont thosepeopleknow they can raise a GARDEN? |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WD on 08/25/13 at 08:49:06 They can try to JOG, but this year was bad. Only the inedibles did well, stuff like sunflowers and okra. Everything else drowned, burnt up, got destroyed by squash beetles or flea beetles, blossom end rot even with the proper amount of pelletized agricultural lime in the transplant holes... Bad crop year for everyone around us not raising glycol ready commodities crops. Even the hay fields were pathetic, lots of broadleaf weeds in fields normally square baled as horse hay. So most of it went to round feedlot bales, but the county has been chasing dairymen and beef operations away. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Starlifter on 08/25/13 at 20:17:59 Sorry to hear that WD, it's been a strange summer everywhere. Floods in the deserts, too much rain in the southeast, temps like 114 everyday in Phoenix, unseasonable cool weather here in the north country....wonder what the winter will be like??. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WD on 08/25/13 at 21:45:04 I'm hoping for bitter cold here, need something to get the insects back under control. Ever heard of "velvet ants", they are a non-native wingless wasp that burrow in the ground. Their sting can make a bison fall over in pain... We have them. http://www.thefeaturedcreature.com/2011/03/fuzzy-doesnt-mean-friendly-red-velvet.html has the best pics I could find. Our friend stepped on one here last spring, couldn't walk right for a couple weeks. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 08/26/13 at 06:21:52 Star - Being "lazy" has nothing to do with Southern obesity. You are correct that poor people tend to have yet poorer eating habits. It's not because a poor person can't eat healthy; it's because most don't know how to, or don't care. A healthy breakfast of oatmeal costs a whole lot less than eggs, bacon, sausage. Oatmeal and pancakes cost about the same, but the calorie count, fat calories, and glycemic index are nowhere near the same. My point was simple - rural people generally don't walk as much as big city folks do. In Chicago, for instance, I'll walk from my hotel to the courthouse, about 15 minutes each way, or 30 minutes round trip. That alone is sufficient for the 30 minutes of walking each day that a person should do. Why spend $10 - $15 for a cab ride, in heavy traffic, when the walk doesn't take that much longer? Sure, I'll cab it in the rain, or on the bitter cold winter days, but most of the time, I walk. It's about the usefulness of walking - if you go to big cities very often, you see people from all walks of life hoofing it far more than in the rural areas, where folks get into a car or a pickup to drive a couple of miles, or less. Why do we have a Boston Marathon, and a New York City Marathon? I've never heard of a marathon in Hattiesburg, Mississippi or in Plains, Georgia; have you? Again, "lazy" has nothing to do with it - it's about culture, and what's perceived as important. Poor people generally have shoes - in fact, come with me to court some time and see the $150+ fancy athletic shoes on the feet of some of the poorest kids in town as they stroll by the courthouse. All it takes to walk is normal attire ( pants up around your waste, not your butt ) and a pair of shoes, and my bet is that most fat people own both. Culture and habits are what need to be changed to get this obesity epidemic under control. The is a Golden Corral not far from my office - I eat lunch there now and then. They have boiled cabbage, lima beans, broccoli, and cauliflower on the buffet, as well as broiled fish and fairly lean pot roast. I like those things; I'm not much into "yuppie food ". I'll fill my plate with the aforementioned veggies, and take a piece of pot roast about the size of a deck of playing cards, or similar sized piece of fish or roasted chicken. Frankly, I'm probably the best dressed person in the place. The fat ones have the salad loaded with sour cream, mayo based dressings like ranch or blue cheese, then for their entrée they hit the mac and cheese, pizza, pasta, loaded baked potato, and then go straight to the desert section and load up on cake, pie and ice cream. The fat ones act like it's a contest to see who can eat the most quantity of high fat, high calorie and high glycemic foods. I pay the same price they do, and I come out of there having had a very healthy meal - they come out 2500 calories later, and wonder why they are fat. It's all about choices, not monetary status. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Paraquat on 08/26/13 at 09:31:49 Fantastic. I work 15-20 miles (depending on highway or backroads) from my work. Do you suppose I walk there? What about the other 95% of people who don't live less than a mile from their place of employment? Where I live it's probably another 15 miles to Whole Foods. Right on the corner is a McDonalds. I think there are 6 of them in my town alone. 99 cent double cheese beats out the 6.99 a lb burger (still need to buy buns, toppings, etc) at Whole Foods. --Steve |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by Dane Allen on 08/26/13 at 12:20:59 777B797D77727875677C25140 wrote:
The prevailing view is that driving is a privilege that comes with ability to do a lot of damage thus the states are able to compel drivers to be covered. I think young people don’t want to pay Medicare and SS taxes because they know they will never get anything out of it. It is a Ponzi scheme on the verge of collapse with the sole purpose of giving politicians a plank to use other than the actual issues. Quote:
Isn't it the inidividual's own right to make their own choices? Who am I to tell you that you can't drink coffee because I think it is bad for your health? Quote:
Why? What right (talking moral right now as traditional rights are a thing of the past) does the government have to tell someone what to buy. Quote:
Sounds like they are getting screwed, sounds like a mugging but through the mail. Quote:
Not a good reason to forcibly compel someone to hand over their hard earned wages to prop up an ill conceived and unworkable cluster of social programs. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/13 at 14:49:44 Young people don't want car insurance (for that matter neither do a lot of old people) but we make them buy it anyway. There is a critical difference with car insurance and the Obamacare mandate that some in power purposely mislead (Obama included) people with. Mandatory car insurance has to do with indemnifying either the other party in an accident or the lien holder on the car. In other words, mandatory car insurance is to 'protect the other guy' , not to protect you. If you hit someone, the mandatory insurance is to indemnify (to make whole) the person you hit. If you have a loan out on the car, you usually have to show some type of 'full coverage' insurance to the bank, meaning if you total the car out or it gets stolen, the bank is paid what it is owed first. The bank is indemnified. That's usually a bank requirement, not a government requirement. If your car is paid off, you usually have to have liability insurance, but do not have to have full coverage. If you total your car, you're out the money. It's your decision to carry insurance or not. Auto insurance mandates and obamacare mandates have nothing in common, but you have to think it through to see the difference. |
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Title: Re: US Health Care Cost Post by WebsterMark on 08/26/13 at 14:52:06 Insurance and accessiblity to health care is likely the primary reason 27 other countries' citizens live long than us in the US of A. I call BS on both those claims! |
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