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Message started by PhantomII on 08/09/13 at 12:47:40

Title: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by PhantomII on 08/09/13 at 12:47:40

Has anyone ever thought about converting a Savage to be Fuel Injected?

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by Dave on 08/09/13 at 12:59:14

If Suzuki is not smart enough to do it....What chance do I have?

One of the reasons I bought my Savage is so that it is simple, I can work on it, and it is reliable. I no longer have the vacuum petcock, clutch or kick stand safety switches or relays, and my compression release is manual. I am a fan of KISS......Keep It Simple Stupid!

My bike starts, idles and runs fine....and gets 58 mpg with my carb.

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by Dancomer on 08/09/13 at 13:31:54

i would be very interested in fuel injection but have not started the search process for parts just yet

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by Cloudy on 08/09/13 at 14:11:15

Had a mate try to inject his 1400 intruder, after several years of mucking about and a small fortune spent, ie- 1500 heads, the injectors from other bikes custom made manifolds, etc, etc he gave up and fitted a single carb. Which still never ran right.
He's a qualified mechanic and knows his stuff, but just couldn't get it to work.

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by verslagen1 on 08/09/13 at 14:23:30

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1348686729/10#10

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1199292152/11#11

I'm sure there's more... but...

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by 12Bravo on 08/09/13 at 14:39:55

Some interesting information
http://delphi.com/manufacturers/other/powertrain/small/

http://www.ecotrons.co/400cc_to_800cc_Engine_EFI_kit.html

http://www.mbe-motorsports.com/catalog/index.php/cPat/22

The second link (ecotrons) looks the most promising, they make a 38mm throttle body and have a kit for the Suzuki DR650. I would say that it can be done with a little know how.

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by Serowbot on 08/09/13 at 15:17:58

Only in my nightmares... ;D,,,

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by WD on 08/09/13 at 15:36:28

Suzuki put it on the TU250 rehash to meet Commiefornia emissions and it STILL got banned from that market. Forget it, not worth the retrofit induced migraine and baldness after pulling all your hair out fitting stuff that wasn't made to work on proto-technology.

Make more sense to fit a cable slide Mikuni 38mm carb, proper jets, and a better ignition system (like points, at least they are cheap to fix when they get fried), delete the craptastic alternator in favor of a magneto, kill several birds with one stone...

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by Face on 08/09/13 at 18:57:36

Yes....I have thought about it......a lot.

Initially it was because I planned on running a supercharger and didn't want to tune or pressurize a carb for boosted use. That train of thought has crashed and burned. I'll explain more once I start a build thread. However, I think I will still fuel inject.

Why? Why the he!! not? It's a can of worms I'm willing to open. If everything falls apart, I can always throw on a 36mm carb and call it a day.

The two most promising options are the Ecotrons and the Megasquirt. Google "dr650 ecotrons" and follow the link to the dr650 forum. Four of their members acted as test installers/tuners for the ecotrons kit. Very good info on there. Another member built his own kit with Megasquirt components, also a good read.

I think there's a good chance you can find something that will work, but at the end of the day, is the performance or price or ease of install "better" than a carb? Alomost definately NOT!!! Please understand, I'm not saying don't do it.......I'm gonna do it..... but I like tinkering. I like trying stuff few people try. I have a little disposable income. And most importantly, I have lots of time on my hands.....this conversion WILL take lots of time.

If you decide to go for it, keep me in the loop. I'd be happy to help anyway I can, and it'd be nice for me to have someone else to bounce ideas and fuel maps off of.

This reminds me of a quote from Jesse James. "I'd rather fail at something really hard, than succeed at something easy."

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by old_rider on 08/09/13 at 23:08:57

Um....huh? why not just grab an efi engine and put it in the frame? along with the ecu, the extra fuel tubing, the pump, the...nevermind...it can barely handle the electrical circuit now, let along adding 3 other components that will needed to be added along with a fuse box for all the new components.... OWWW my head hurts....

Nuff said....um wanna blow a hole thru the mountain? or drive over it? um, why do I need to go over the mountain? I live here....

:) :) :)

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by Face on 08/10/13 at 11:34:12

Old Rider makes a good point.....and I respect it......however, a lot of the stuff we do to our rides doesn't NEED to be done, we just WANT do do it.

Some mods like forward controls and seat risers are done for a practical purpose. Others, like big bore kits and LED lighting are done for the fun of it. The challange of engineering something off the beaten path is exciting to some of us. Not so much for others, and that's fine.

There are many many things you could do to a bike to achieve a certain goal. Swaping out a complete engine is one of those things. You could get more power, EFI, dual overhead cams, an open primary, whatever you want. But sometimes it's the project that is the fun, not the end result. If it truly is the end result you're after, buy a bike that already has everything you want. Done. If you're like me, and like redesigning and tweaking things, start modding. And maybe never be done.

So look at an EFI conversion as a project or challenge rather than an upgrade. If it's the upgrade you're after, tried and true cable slide carbs are cheap, easy, and will give you just as much (if not more) performance than a hodge podge injection system. Whatever you decide, keep us updated!

Title: Re: Has anyone ever thought about EFI Conversion
Post by old_rider on 08/10/13 at 21:15:37

Ahh ...yup.. buy a 650 on the cheap and go mad scientist on it! I'm still trying to sell the Harley so I can buy just one savage.... if I get enough maybe I could buy two!!