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Title: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/07/13 at 16:16:31 So after reading through some posts, I've purchased the petcock everyone recommends. Now, how hard is it to switch those out? I am KINDA mechanically inclined (can change oil/filter, battery, etc) nothing major. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/07/13 at 16:17:41 Its the Raptor one. Oh and also, do I have to re-jet again after installing that? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by PhantomII on 08/07/13 at 16:20:50 If you can change the oil filter you can change the petcock, you don't need to re-jet for the petcock change, and don't forget to plug the vacuum port on the carb. where the petcock tube was connected. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by WD on 08/07/13 at 17:01:18 2 big phillips head screws if I remember correctly. A .22 casing full of epoxy makes a pretty much permanent vacuum cap. The "rubber"ones from the auto parts store rot pretty quickly (ask Pine)... ;D |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/07/13 at 17:33:44 lol.. where can i find a .22 casing around here.......... 8-) what else can be used? and anything else i need to remember? (other than plugging the vacuum port) |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by verslagen1 on 08/07/13 at 19:08:49 try a cap for a copper line. or maybe a spent shell from a 38? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Dane Allen on 08/08/13 at 11:14:02 72677C6D387D790B0 wrote:
Where is here? Quote:
You can use a cut down piece of the exisitng tube. I just cut mine down and glued a rubber cap that I had around. I did a lot of research and prep before I switched my petcock, saw the videos a bunch of times. When I got done it was very anti-climatic as there wasn't much involved. It took more work not scratching any paint surfaces or spilling any remnants of fuel ;D |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Sheriff41 on 08/08/13 at 12:44:40 Hey Fever, did you get this figured out? When I did mine I just watched the videos in the tech section. It's pretty straight forward. And like Dane says, you can just cut the existing vacuum tube about an inch and stick a small bolt in it until you can get a cap. Aloha, Sheriff |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 12:51:34 I did watch the video.. Looks easy enough. Ill be starting it when it comes in. Just searching around for a cap |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by jcstokes on 08/08/13 at 13:08:54 Ride until you hit reserve, go home and change it. You will spend less time draining fuel. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 13:27:36 5158484F54505E483B0 wrote:
Good thinking. So I'm not too keen on the reserve tank.. so I turn the switch to reserve when I run out.. and when I fill the tank back up does the gas go straight into reserve then fill up the tank? (do I have to keep the switch on reserve during fueling?) |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 13:42:54 With the rubber caps on these, I remember reading somewhere on here that it'll burn off?? I might have read wrong.. but I'm guessing most of you all are using the rubber caps.. are they holding up well? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Sheriff41 on 08/08/13 at 13:56:13 I picked up a rubber vacuum line cap at O'Reilly's and have not had any problem with it. The cut and plugged vacuum hose works also; it just doesn't look as good. I had two gallons in my tank when I drained it and it took about 8-10 minutes. If you run it down to reserve then it will go much quicker. Reserve is just a lower fuel pickup tube in the tank than the one for the "on/run" position. When you switch the valve to the "reserve" position you just feed from the shorter pickup tube. You'll see it when you get your new valve. Aloha, Sheriff |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 14:01:22 49727F68737C7C2E2B1A0 wrote:
Thanks! My bike is at RevTek in Waipahu right now getting the muffler and rejet done.. (I'm not THAT mechanically inclined). What shop do you go to (if any)? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Sheriff41 on 08/08/13 at 14:11:34 I do all my own work on my bikes and cars. If I need parts locally I get them from Montgomery Motors. I need to re-jet mine soon--I've just been putting it off. What exhaust did you go with? Aloha, Sheriff |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 14:15:25 That's awesome.. I wish I could do all the work.. it'll save me tons of money. They're actually putting it on Dyno so it'll be expsneive :'( I went with HD Dyna Part # 95747-94 |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Dave on 08/08/13 at 18:03:29 65706B7A2F6A6E1C0 wrote:
Good thinking. So I'm not too keen on the reserve tank.. so I turn the switch to reserve when I run out.. and when I fill the tank back up does the gas go straight into reserve then fill up the tank? (do I have to keep the switch on reserve during fueling?)[/quote] The reserve is just the bottom of the tank. In the on position the inlet tube sticks up into the tank a little bit....and doesn't let you use up the fuel all the way to the bottom of the tank. When you turn the petcock to RESERVE it opens up the inlet that is located all the way at the bottom of the tank. (It is like holding your straw up an inch in your glass of lemonade for ON......then when you run out and want to switch to your RESERVE of lemonade.....you lower the straw an inch to the bottom of your glass). |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 18:37:56 645F5245545843455E565B44370 wrote:
Good thinking. So I'm not too keen on the reserve tank.. so I turn the switch to reserve when I run out.. and when I fill the tank back up does the gas go straight into reserve then fill up the tank? (do I have to keep the switch on reserve during fueling?)[/quote] The reserve is just the bottom of the tank. In the on position the inlet tube sticks up into the tank a little bit....and doesn't let you use up the fuel all the way to the bottom of the tank. When you turn the petcock to RESERVE it opens up the inlet that is located all the way at the bottom of the tank. (It is like holding your straw up an inch in your glass of lemonade for ON......then when you run out and want to switch to your RESERVE of lemonade.....you lower the straw an inch to the bottom of your glass).[/quote] Thanks! I do love lemonade :) |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by jcstokes on 08/08/13 at 22:01:01 Just be within twenty miles of home while enjoying your ride. You should have at least twenty miles on reserve and no need to fill. When you put the Raptor on the fuel will flow from either position. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 22:52:59 Did any of you need to change out that tube going from petcock to the carb? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/08/13 at 22:57:38 some folks replace the fuel line, yea.. if you have any doubts about yours, now is the time, Putting a small , clear bodied, pleated paper filter in that line is a widely accepted good idea. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/08/13 at 23:01:09 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
Hm where would one get a replacement line? And the paper filter? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/09/13 at 01:44:54 Get on the bike, ride to a parts house, turn petcock off, pull fuel line off, carry it in,, If ya dont like the filters at the car parts house, take the OLD piece of hose ( providing the new one is the same size) to a bike shop. The Yamaha shop has some way cool filters hanging behind the counter, straight thru, 90* stuff, not too pendy, |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by rl153 on 08/09/13 at 16:07:12 Jog ,what diameter fuel filter should I get,I think my gas line is 5/16.Is there a brand and size at autozone you guys recommend?Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/09/13 at 16:30:41 Id go to a bike shop for a filter. They have some ( At least the yamaha shop where I got parts to rebuild a Raptor motor & my petcock did) cards with different sizes & shapes. Some have inlet straight in & outloet at a 90,, If you have the fuel line in your hand, you really cant go wrong,, turn the petcock off, & its a whoppin 2 minute job,, |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/09/13 at 22:28:02 Got the petcock in the mail. There is a clear cap on the side and long clear tube protecting the longer tube. I'm guessing you remove both of them? And leave the white 2 tubes? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/09/13 at 22:30:46 The clear tube and 2 white tubes. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by rl153 on 08/10/13 at 06:10:21 I asked the same question, you do remove the clear tubes and leave the white ones . |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by verslagen1 on 08/10/13 at 07:28:33 ask yourself... what are the white tubes for? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Dave on 08/11/13 at 08:31:51 Watch the new install video.......http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1315418285 The clear tube protects the white filters while the petock is being shipped. Remove the clear "protective" tube.....leave the white filters alone. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Sheriff41 on 08/11/13 at 18:21:02 Wow Dave. Fever's new and, admittedly, not mechanically inclined. Asking questions is okay. :) Aloha |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/21/13 at 22:19:06 Well finally got to put the Raptor on the bike. The hardest part was getting it over the one cable (throttle cable?). At first I was just muscling it, but took a sip of my beer, took a deep breathe and danced my way out of it. All in all, wasn't too hard thanks to that video. Now my problem. The bike starts up, but dies instantly. I did not fill up yet because I was afraid to take it out and have it die on me. Brand new battery so it shouldn't be that. Yes it is on "Fuel" or "On" or whatever that bottom one is. The choke thing (I know it is not called that but I forgot what it was called) was all the way in. I got it started, and held the throttle a bit and pulled the choke half way. Stayed running for a bit so I took it down the driveway and back. Whole time it was good, until I started to back up into the garage. Died. Started it up again with it in the middle, pulled it all the way out, died. So.. any ideas on what it could be?? Like I said, I pulled on that cable hard and when I first sat on the bike throttle was sticking and after few min went back to normal. Can it be that? Or does it need some time for the drained fuel to "get back" into the bike? HELP! |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 00:00:33 Gas tank full.. Still dying at idle.. >:( Went to the gas station with the choke in the middle..didn't die but very rough idle. Comin back with full tank it died on idle every time. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 00:42:14 Oh and I forgot to mention that little bit of gas dripped out of the stock petcock.. Thought I had drained the fuel all the way but when I started unscrewing the petcock gas seeped out. Not sure if the dripping gas got onto something? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Dave on 08/22/13 at 03:32:27 Have you plugged the vacuum port on the carb? The place were the vacuum line used to attach? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 04:52:01 Yep sure did. Cap with superglue/clear silicone. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Dave on 08/22/13 at 05:27:52 It sounds like you have a vacuum leak that is letting air into the system that is not passing through the carb. You have to use the fuel enrichment knob (choke) to make the mixture rich enough to compensate for the added air. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 07:59:15 5F64697E6F63787E656D607F0C0 wrote:
How would I go about troubleshooting this? Here is what I did with that vacuum hose spot |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 08:00:16 And pet |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Bubba on 08/22/13 at 08:17:20 did ya take both clear tubes off the petcock? your second picture shows the reseve tube uncovered but not the main tube... have you tried to run it on reserve yet? retrace your steps...it sounds like the vac port might not be sealed or it could be something you missed. When i did mine i removed the tank and installed the raptor...it just seemed easier than trying to wiggle it in there with the tank on... maybe drain the tank again, remove the tank from the bike and start at the begining again... |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 08:39:28 It only came with one clear tube over the main tube. I did remove that before installing. I have ran with it on reserve once, but that's it. But I'll try again. What is the best way to seal the vac port?? Here is exactly what I did. 1) Drain tank 2) Remove vac hose from stock petcock 3) Unscrew the stock petcock (some fuel leak) 4) Remove petcock 5) Put in new petcock 6) Attached the hose going from petcock to carb 7) Put some clear silicone on the vac port and in the cap. Put it on the port. 8) Put the pet on off, fill the tank. 9) Checked the vac port. Saw it didn't stay so applied some superglue to reinforce it. 10) Put pet on, started the bike. I read somewhere that the gas cap may not be vented properly? Is that a common issue? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 08:44:28 No leaks from what I can see - I did not put that much sealant actually IN the vac port.. just a lot in the cap. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Bubba on 08/22/13 at 08:46:13 sounds like you did everything okay but i'd check the vac port seal again... i put a small screw in mine and then covered it with a rubber cab...3 years w/o a problem try running on reserve and see if anything is different...shouldn't be but who knows? also, turn the petcock off, pull the fuel line off the carb and grab a gas can to empty into, turn the petcock on/off to test fuel flow on all the settings...maybe the fuel line is pinched somewhere when you attach it to the carb? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Dave on 08/22/13 at 08:48:51 There is a drain screw at the bottom of the carb, and a rubber hose is connected to it. If you were to open the screw and run the fuel into a clear bottle....you could check that the flow is sufficient and that the fuel is clean. Not sure of the amount of time it would take to flow 8 ounces of fuel - but the petcock alone takes 2 min 15 seconds to flow a gallon. The carb needle and seat, and drain screw will flow slower....but you should be able to drain 8 oz of gas in 15 seconds. This might confirm if you are getting fuel to the float bowl. The tank vent problem is easy to identify......open the cap and see if th engine runs normal. If you close the cap you will be able to ride several miles before enough of a vacuum builds up to cause a problem....the vacuum does not happen instantly. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 08:49:16 724552525101000803300 wrote:
I was thinking putting in a small nail or something in there but didn't >:( I should have went with my gut feeling. How can I get this cap off now that it's been sitting there with superglue?? :-/ And I will try the fuel line. THANKS! |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/22/13 at 08:51:46 714A4750414D56504B434E51220 wrote:
I'll do the drain screw method too. So you don't think it's the vaccum in the tank? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Bubba on 08/22/13 at 08:59:01 i think acetone dissolves superglue but i'd be careful not to spill any...maybe dap it on there, let it sit, then take some pliers and gently twist???? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/23/13 at 10:58:15 Well got the cap off easily (wasn't even properly sealed.. Wonder if I got the wrong sealant). Put a small screw in there like you did. Got a fresh cap filled with superglue and put it on the port. Now it started and stayed! But died shortly after. Sounded like the rpm was very low.. So I adjusted the screw on the (what it looks like the throttle/carb thing) to make the idle higher.. Good or bad? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Bubba on 08/23/13 at 12:11:43 idle screw is set with the knurled knob on the carb under the choke... idle on these bikes should be around 1000rpms to allow oil to get pumped up to the head for proper lubrication... Do not set the idle too low (like a harley)...it should have the same rythym as a drum from a death metal band... :P |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/23/13 at 12:34:22 Yeah it sounded like a harley.. So it's ok to mess with that screw.. It's the one with spring looking thing on it? I'm going to take a video of the idle when I get home. Hope it'll let me post |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/23/13 at 12:35:56 4C7B6C6C6F3F3E363D0E0 wrote:
Bubba would you mind PMing me your email if you would be willing to listen to idle? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Bubba on 08/23/13 at 12:41:01 just sent it to ya... not that i'm an expert or anything...I change my idle around a lot depending on the weather, backfiring, humidity etc... usually sounds like buddabuddabuddabuddabudda or if you prefer bubbabubbabubbabubbabubba as fast as I can do it...LOL |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by PhantomII on 08/23/13 at 13:01:06 Your idle should sound something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QImRxzVz3hg |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/23/13 at 13:05:25 5D656C6379626044440D0 wrote:
This helps! Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by PhantomII on 08/23/13 at 13:16:09 You're welcome I can't take credit because someone on here gave it to me when I was trying to dial in my idle. |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/23/13 at 21:40:25 Went for a test ride.. After 5 min.. Putt putt putt died. So I pulled over in a fit of rage to find out I didn't turn the fuel on whew. The idle sounds pretty close to the audio but can't really tell. It won't let me upload the video but will there be any harm if the rpm is little higher than that sound clip? |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by Bubba on 08/23/13 at 21:43:10 Nope...just ride it and enjoy... |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/23/13 at 22:28:24 122532323161606863500 wrote:
8-) oh I will |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by wambr on 08/23/13 at 23:29:38 162136363565646C67540 wrote:
my Savage's usually sounds like... wambrwambrwambrwambrwambrwambr when I open the throttle...waaaaambr ;D because it 20 years... |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by PhantomII on 08/24/13 at 23:28:05 I ended up putting one of these on mine, it really was very easy to install and I like to know exactly how fast my engine is running. http://www.ebay.com/itm/CHROME-TACHOMETER-FOR-ALL-DUAL-FIRE-IGNITIONS-MINI-MOTORCYCLE-TACH-UNIVERSAL-FIT-/171094025324?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27d5ffa46c |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by ylwf3vr on 08/24/13 at 23:34:03 182029263C27250101480 wrote:
Interesting! Do you happen to have a pic? Also why doesn't this bike have a trip odometer? How do you all keep track of fuel/miles? (My last bike I had trip odometer so I just filled up at 125 miles) |
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Title: Re: Petcock Install Post by PhantomII on 08/24/13 at 23:43:32 I will take one in the morning, and the reason it doesn't have a trip ometer is because Suzuki is too cheap to put one on it, I use a fuel log app on my smart phone to keep track of my mileage and just flip on the reserve when I need to and ride to the nearest gas station and fill up, my bike gets a little over 47 mpg so at around 100 miles I fill up. |
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