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Title: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/03/13 at 10:12:16 Congress looking to cut USPS losses by ending door-to-door mail delivery. Instead, NSA will just read your mail to you over the phone. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Serowbot on 08/03/13 at 11:41:34 Mine's mostly bills... they're welcome to 'em... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/03/13 at 12:15:52 +1!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/03/13 at 12:25:10 I swiped a sign from a convenience store & stuck it on the mailbox. No Bills Larger than $20.00 accepted. Didnt do a bit of good.. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/05/13 at 07:33:40 I can turn the USPS profitable in 1 second. Charge for boxes ... If you show up with stuff in a USPS box - you get charged for the box ... I know of several 1000 people who have "ebay stores" who are getting boxes and packing their stuff into boxes ... and expect to sell ... except they will take 50 years to sell @ thier prices ... They sell 1-2 a month ... have floor to ceiling crap in a 20X50 corner of "their store" Redesign the USPS boxes ... New design is paid for when you get it say $3 a box. You get $3 off that in postage - so the price isn;t going up, its just that wasterage is being cut out. If you have Old design box, if you show up in that box, its going to be charged $3 + the actual postage. The exception is, if you show up with a box you're reusing ... then you dont get dinged the $3 No raising of prices ... it will just make people pay and think twise before using USPS boxes for their junk ... stuff that will never get shipped. Yea I am guilty of this too ... but I dont do it on the scale some Idiots do ... and now a days I got a million boxes I got from the liquor store ... so I have 1000's more than I would ever need ... My junk is now in liquor boxes. It get into USPS box when shipping ...else it sit in liquor box. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/05/13 at 08:54:16 The Postal Service breaks even according to a TV add. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Pine on 08/05/13 at 09:13:03 Whats sad/funny about this.. IS Why the Post office is in such bad shape ( or at least partially why) My friend works for the PO and has been since before I graduated college.. so nearly 30 years. The big budget killer for the PO is that congress REQUIRES them to keep so many years worth of retirement locked up. It didn't use to be that way. Why would congress do that??? because it offsets their bad budgeting ( on the books). The surplus cash sitting in the PO retirement funds get to look like the fed has more balanced budget than it really has. And NO congress isn't going to change that. And yes, mail has gone down, though packages has gone up. But packages are more profitable and thus there is competition for that while plain old envelopes is just all cost. To me the first fix is to end any and all discounts for direct mail.. it costs what it costs to mail. Then raise it to 50 cents. Ending the " to the door" is fine as well. Get your lazy butt up and go out to the street like the rest of us. Finally rural routes with a just a huge distance to population might need either a surcharge or central post box ( like at the head of the road). Really... this is such minor crap given the real issues congress needs to fix. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/05/13 at 11:41:16 " Really this is minor crap congress needs to fix" +1!!!! The Post Office runs itself and does a very good job, doesn't cost the taxpayers a dime. Congress has to find someone to pick on instead of doing their real job. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/06/13 at 08:11:03 There is a 1000 other reasons why the PO is going broke ... Ok lets try this ... see if someone can answer this ... OK you send a bunch of stuff to lets say India. A small package ... OK how does the PO get paid - easy - you buy stamps ... Then The PO carts it to the port in India, past which the Indian PO carts to their house. Guess what ... USPS does not give $$$ to Indian PO. So think about that a few mins ... PO needs to be profitable, and the fact congress did this or that has very little to do with it ... somewhere the USPS is getting robbed blind ... I know where, you guy think and answer that question I posted above - its a bit roundabout - but answer it and yo uwould know who and why USPS is getting killed. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/13 at 08:33:53 Well,, If I send a letter to Lindale, a little town about 30 miles West, it goes to the PO, then about 100 miles to Dallas, then 70 miles back to Lindale, then it gets bundled up & handed to a delivery person making a decent paycheck,, & I spent 47 cents, I dont think there IS enough bulk mail to cover that inefficiency, |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/06/13 at 09:02:06 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
Believe it or not ... hub and spoke method is cheaper than the random fishnet/relay method. And more reliable too. Not sure about JOG<->Lindale specifically, but overall ... You recall those days in the 30's and 40's when a letter sent in 1922 got to that other town 20 miles away after 55 years ... that crap wont happen on the hub/spoke method. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/13 at 11:01:25 I really cant deal with you,, Youre so incredibly willing to overlook the obvious to point at the obscure. I SPENT 47 CENTS to pay for all that travel. Now, was there Any placce where I was saying they didnt GET the mail where it was sent? NO,, I was only talking about the costs why they are losing money., the topic wasnt that they Lost the MAIL, God youre irritating, |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/06/13 at 11:14:04 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote:
God JOG ... you're making the USPS lost 20 flucking cents if that ... its a pittance compared to the titanic sized hole you are missing ... OK Fine - now tha twe have accepted I am irritating ... you have an answer ... or just more garbage to cover up your ignorance ... yea you can quote DailyKatenews.com about how USPS gave $80 million to retiree post master general in 1 dollar bills ... Does this moron represent all the rest of you on this thread, or does any one else have an answer ... And no Its not an insider answer I have, it may collapse too ... but I need to be proved of that in any case. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/13 at 15:14:54 & How many pieces of mail do they lose 20 cents ON? |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Trippah on 08/06/13 at 20:05:59 End Saturday delivery, make the fat overweight lazy bastards go to a centralized post box location (and make it a skinny door; tough Shiite for the grandma and grandpa's looking for pics of the little ones..the darn wheelchairs can't get around so well. Shouldn't have lived so long as to end up wheelchair bound. Think of the money SSA and Medicare would save. ;D |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/07/13 at 07:19:16 425D5B5C41467747774F5D511A280 wrote:
That is a pittance compared to the several trillion pieces of mail they lose $20/30+ on ... With that hint, imagine what I could be talking about. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/13 at 09:25:06 Lets see severa trillion,, = at least 3 trillion pieces, $20.00 lost = 60 TRillion a year loss,, youre sure about that? |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by tarkm812 on 08/07/13 at 09:46:16 Jog the PO concedes losses in the rural zones but offsets that with urban deliveries. Think about apartment highrises and garden apartments with cluster boxes. the $.47 is a compromise of sorts. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/07/13 at 10:11:55 The U.S. Postal Service proposed revising its international mail pricing system a few weeks ago. The new system would raise shipping rates from the United States by 13 percent on average. Seeing as foreign postal services deliver our mail overseas, do they get a cut of the postage? Yes, but not directly. Say you're paying the U.S. Postal Service 84 cents to send a letter to Paris. Part of that cost covers postal labor and infrastructure here in the United States. Another part takes care of the transportation to Paris. (The USPS regularly contracts commercial airlines, as well as private carriers like FedEx and United Parcel Service to transport international mail.) And a third part helps offset the fees paid to the French postal service to carry letters like yours from the airport to their destinations. OK I believe that USPS is delivering chinese junk to US customers getting nothing for it in terminal fees ... and the $$$ going to china used to go via postal MO or something, is now going via paypal ... We need to raise the $$$ china gives us to transport to the destination. It cant be cheaper to buy somehting from china and have it get here, than it will be to send it 300 miles ... Like I bought a set of billet grips - 12 bucks shipped form china. If I wanted to ship that to someone 200 miles away ... $12. WTH ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/13 at 10:20:20 It cant be cheaper to buy somehting from china and have it get here, than it will be to send it 300 miles ... Like I bought a set of billet grips - 12 bucks shipped form china. If I wanted to ship that to someone 200 miles away ... $12. WTH ... A conundrum Ive pondered many times.. Look at what can be had for a $20.00 a W-mart, from CHina,, How is it possible to obtain raw materials, run equipment, pay labor, pack, transport to a freighter, ship it, take it off the ship, put it on a truck, send it to Omaha, It just doesnt make sense,,I can buy a hand held mixer for less than $15.00, it has a motor, a switch, a housing, beaters & wisks, a cord,, & its shipped a long way,, How is that even possible? I dont see how that can be done if theres a magic machine that uses no energy, requires no raw materials, never breaks down & needs no one to run it poopin those things out one every minute.. just boxing them up & shipping them & distributing them & putting them on the shelf otta cost enough to make that impossible,, |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/07/13 at 10:29:18 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
Not my point ... in a container full, with a ship full of containers all destined to Walmart they can get it ... there is mark up in everything you try to make ... your metal 2000%, tools 500%, etc etc etc ... so you can never make anything (almost anything) for as cheap as it is @ walmart ... economies of scale my friend ... Where the math works on the container full ... Doesn't apply to 1 box. Chinese post gets it to say NYC or DC for an item to get to me. That box travels 400-600 miles via USPS to get to my door. That same box I send it just that 500 miles, and it costs more than the item + shipping Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/13 at 10:31:49 Good grief, please dont insult my intelligence, I completely grasp economy of scale. I just dont see how its possible, even WITH economy of scale, to make products & box & haul & load & ship & unpack & ALL that must be done & deliver it to the shelf for that, |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/07/13 at 10:47:12 756A6C6B7671407040786A662D1F0 wrote:
Completely missing the point, and well obviously its possible, cos walmart and china making out like bandits on you $15 blender ... there aint $5 worth of crap in it, and much of that is in the carton its sitting in. And its unrelated to the USPS getting shafted. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by verslagen1 on 08/07/13 at 14:34:27 congress should cut congress's costs talking about efficiency... there ain't none there. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/13 at 15:46:31 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
You never conceded that point,, If I can admit being wrong,, maybe you should give it a try, |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Serowbot on 08/07/13 at 15:48:02 Republicans,.. wanting to privatize everything, imposed a requirement in 2006, that the Post Office prefund it's retirement for the next 75 years, and do it in the next 10 years... A near impossible task... ... but,... the Constitution requires the Post Office guarantee mail delivery to every home... no matter how remote or unprofitable... Fed-Ex and UPS take advantage of this, and pass off unprofitable deliveries to the USPS.... That's why you can sometimes send some thing Fed-Ex or UPS, and find your mailman delivering it... USPS is in the awkward position of being halfway privatized... They must make profit, but are federally mandated to do unprofitable things... They can't be fully privatized because the Constitution won't allow it... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/07/13 at 16:07:36 USPS is in the awkward position of being halfway privatized... They must make profit, but are federally mandated to do unprofitable things... Hey,, thats a lot like private businesses.. They Must make a profit, or go bust, but they have mandates to do things that cost them $$$. Its called, Cost of compliance, records keeping is one of those things, Not justifying anything, both suck, |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by Midnightrider on 08/07/13 at 18:13:21 3E2D3A3B24292F2D2679480 wrote:
+1!!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/09/13 at 08:36:22 5C78757F787679656378757463110 wrote:
+1!!!!!!!![/quote] And when you cut it ... it becomes less efficient ... You heard the story about how bigger houses are cheaper per sq ft than comparable smaller houses ... same thing. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/09/13 at 14:28:12 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
You never conceded that point,, If I can admit being wrong,, maybe you should give it a try,[/quote] Its time you manned up & admitted your figures are completely bogus., |
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Title: Re: Congress cutting Postal Service cost Post by srinath on 08/09/13 at 18:38:03 6A757374696E5F6F5F67757932000 wrote:
You never conceded that point,, If I can admit being wrong,, maybe you should give it a try,[/quote] Its time you manned up & admitted your figures are completely bogus., [/quote] That number wasn't literal ... 3 trillion pieces dont get shipped via the UPS in a century ... d-uh ... there is only 8 billion ppl on the planet. And barely 300 million in the US. Cool. Srinath. |
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