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Title: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 07/31/13 at 11:50:06 I know there needs to be a balance here, between gun rights and civil society,... but... Az Daily Star... Moms group plans bus ride to protest AZ gun law ..."The protest stems from an incident about a month ago when a man boarded a Sun Tran bus with a loaded AR-15 and sat with his finger near the trigger while he waited for his stop."... http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/moms-group-plans-bus-ride-to-protest-az-gun-law/article_d5399116-110a-5caf-8b89-2b36acda4f1a.html Are you feeling safer or freer with this guy on the bus?... or with your children riding this bus?... ...or how 'bout say,.. 11 people armed with AR-15's on the bus,.. or in line with you at the bank?... ... or hanging out at the park where your kids play?... This stuff is ridiculous... God help us,... we are Afghanistan... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 07/31/13 at 14:51:37 hy·per·bo·le (h-pûrb-l) n. A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton or welcome to Afghanistan I understand the larger point you are making, but I wonder what the rest of the story is?... Was this guy conducting his own 'protest'? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 07/31/13 at 14:56:49 "The way state law is currently written, fugitives and criminals can carry loaded weapons on buses, openly or concealed, any time they want above is a quote from the original story which I think is an excellent illustration of how two people see the same thing so vastly different. question: would a 'fugitive and criminals' really care if it is against the law to carry a gun on a bus? I mean, by definition, a criminal disobeys the law. Just exactly what good does the law do? Doesn't this make the point that criminalizing guns means only the criminals have guns? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Paraquat on 07/31/13 at 15:23:28 "A man" but no name. So they didn't interview "the man"? How do they know it was loaded? X ray vision? "Carry[ing] a firearm in a menacing way" sounds pretty subjective. How would you carry it in a non-menacing way? If he were holding the grip he could be near the trigger but not planning to fire the weapon. I've always been taught not to even put your finger on teh trigger until you're ready to shoot. Not like these things come with luggage racks though. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 07/31/13 at 15:44:20 A bit of nit-pickin' to avoid the point?... The point is,... an AR-15 on a public bus, is not a comfort to a Mum and her children... --- in a TV a interview, one of the woman that witnessed this, and complained to the bus service, was asked... "Was he behaving strangely?"... ...she replied, "He was carrying a machine gun on a bus,... at what point is the behavior deemed strange,.. When the bullets start flying?"... Seems a valid point... :-?... Maybe if he wore a Turban?... :-?... Maybe a bulletproof vest?... Must a grown man act so afraid, in front of children?... These fools think they look tough,.. to me, they look like paranoid chickenshits... These guys need to grow up... Jes' sayin"... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Midnightrider on 07/31/13 at 18:22:43 He could have been going to an indoor shooting range but he should have had the gun in a case on the bus. If I had been on the bus I would have struck up a conversation about his nice gun to see what mental state he was in. He could have been going to a gun shop to sell it. A conversation would have revealed that. I would have taken the seat behind him and had my LCP ready to go. If he would have chambered a round or pointed it at anyone he would have got a bullet in the back. That's why I support concealed carry. My children are grown but when my grandchildren go out with me I'm ready to protect them. We're not Aghanstan yet, they're just a bunch of religious idiots like the rest of the middle east.. Our problems are mental health and gangs.If we had decent law enforcement instead of ones who bust a lady's door down because her lawn hasn't been mowed the gang problem maybe could be for the most part eliminated. I would join a sane militia to stop the gang problem.I want people to be able to walk our streets safely again even if it puts my life in danger. There's things worth fighting for in the USA, nothing is worth dying for overseas, we haven't been attacked lately except for the embassy Obama and Hillary are lying about. It would be impossible to get the real perpotaitors.I feel like Ron Paul, shut down our embassys and withdraw from the UN. You cant buy friends and our piggy bank is empty. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 07/31/13 at 19:22:43 But this is the crux of the problem, Midnight... The more people think like that,.. the more seats on the bus will have a gun pointing at the guy in front of him, and him, and him... like a circlejerk Mexican stand-off... one click or pop, and everybody shoots everybody... This is almost literally true in some parts of the world,... it's just not the parts we want to live in... In Afghanistan, I would probably carry an AK on the bus,... because I would need too... I don't want to live like that... neither do the majority of Americans... Some common sense has to injected into this argument, or gun rights really will be infringed... If both sides can't make reasonable compromise,.. the majority will win... Gun advocates are not in the majority... Remember,.. women, minorities, young people,... are all on increase in voter-ship... Pounding on a copy of the Constitution, won't prevent a landslide, it will trigger one... Jes' sayin'... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 07/31/13 at 19:36:59 This is like the Zimmerman case. One side pushed the issue into something it wasn't which forced lines to be drawn and sides to be taken. Some gun owners feel they are being forced into defending something that they might not even be able to articulate. What's the solution? Not sure. I know for sure the liberals aren't gonna back down cause they've got the left leaning culture on their side. If the right doesn't back down, they'll be a fight. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 07/31/13 at 19:40:57 That is why,... both sides need to recognize that rights, and opinions of the other... Pushing at each other, isn't working... BTW... Very civil reply, Webster... I thank you... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 07/31/13 at 19:54:57 I gave up fighting. Plus, star isn't around.... The left needs to stop pushing. Fact is, gun laws, or lack thereof, is not the problem. Enforcing laws on the books is. Most of the gun crime is isolated. dealing with the massive crime in mostly black neighborhoods would be a nice place to start. addressing juvenile crime better in these neighborhoods would lessen more serious crime later on. Messieurs Sharpton and Jackson aren't putting the hard time needed with zero recognition to address this. They'd rather protest a crime that wasn't. How much different would it be if they did that rather that stage rallys that do nothing but inflame? Someone needs to give me a real retort to the statement: if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. No place that loosened gun laws has turned into the Wild West. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Midnightrider on 07/31/13 at 20:13:14 I believe protecting ourselves and our family is a God given right and nowadays it takes a gun to do it. The liberal news never reports unarmed white people gunned down except maybe locally about it. Last night my next door neighbors house was cleaned out. She had a lot of valuable jewlry and they got a credit card. I'm usually up late but I went to bed early last night. She's 90 years old, had a stroke and moved in with one of her daughters. She's a great lady and we've been friends almost 30 years, I just wish I had been up and seen something. I know who did it but I cant prove it. It was someone who knew she no longer lived there. The police called here today because they know my wife is a part time cop. The lady's next door neigbors on the other side of her house are white trash and the jewrey probably has been traded for drugs. Sew I always value you and your opinion and consider you a friend. I'm glad you're back on the TT.Both of us have valid points and I'm willing to let it go for that reason. Have a great day my friend. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Midnightrider on 07/31/13 at 20:18:30 784A4D5C5B4A5D624E5D442F0 wrote:
I could leave here in and be back home in 30 minutes with a gun not registered to me. I've done it. They cant enforce the laws they have. I'm all for strict background checks to stop criminals and mentally ill from purchasing guns but that only works on new guns. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 07/31/13 at 21:37:44 7D59545E595758444259545542300 wrote:
Why can you do that?... Could you do that in England?... France?,.. Australia?... Can you name a country that you admire, or think might be a good place to live,... where you could do that?... Name any country where you could do that,... and tell me it's a good place to be... So how is it a good thing here?... The reason that you can do that here, is because guns are so prevalent.... So,.. we justify our need for guns because of the prevalence of guns, and we make more guns because we need them because there's so many guns... It all makes sense now... ...the Constitution has been amended more than 20 times... That wall has holes in it... not a thing to be standing behind... Especially when the majority is not on your side... and that side has the growing demographics... There were those Halcyon Days when these issues weren't issues... those days of "Leave it to Beaver", and "Ozzie and Harriot"... but,... what if the Beave came home and told dad, there was a man on the bus with an AK-47?... or Harriot said "Oz, I saw the strangest thing at the market today"... ...and this was during the conservative, McCarthy era... ... but, what conclusion would those episodes have?... Would watching Beaver be the same, if he rode the bus with a few AK's and AR's on there with him?... This is not going to create that Utopia... This not even going to take us back to the days of the Revolution,.. or even the Wild Wild West... Legendary massacres like the OK corral, and the St, Valentines day massacre don't hold a candle to this modern America... It does hold a candle to Afghanistan,.. or Iraq... More guns, equals more guns stolen, more guns purchased by straw men, more guns swapped for a motorcycle,.. more guns in the hands of people that will use them... I just don't see the solution to be more guns... ...and I'm as guilty as anyone... I have 9 guns... My buddy's dad had a collection of over 200... guess where they went?... he was burgled... I don't carry,... mine are mostly 22 plinkers... I have one for home defense... I'm not going to go out carrying a gun... I'm not going to kill someone that wants to take my wallet. or car, or bike... If they're in my house, while I'm home, I'll have it for protection... ... and I live 70 miles from the border... drug alley... If I carry,... I'm not safer,.. I'm in more danger... I'm a realist... I'm not Dirty Harry, or Bruce Willis.... ...bullets don't go around me... I can't out shoot a cartel... or even a drug gang... They have more guys,.. and they have my buddies dad's guns... It is here,.. and it ain't pretty... and it's scary how many bad guys have weapons... ... but, adding to it, won't fix it... It's a "short term, feel good, solution"... It's not a fix... it's not where we want to go... Courage,.. is not in carrying a gun,.. it's in taking the in the bigger picture and saying this has gone too far... this is not the world I want for my children's children... I will not add to this... my car, wallet, bike, even my life, is not worth making this worse... We need to start having a more intelligent conversation than our representatives.... When we start getting smarter, they will too... They are only parrots.... Part of the problem is, we've started to parrot them... JMHO... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Midnightrider on 07/31/13 at 22:22:55 I'm disabled, I've lost over half my body strength, I cant run. I carry to keep from getting killed, not to start some sh!t with someone and shoot them. I'm too weak to fight and too slow to run. If I had been on that bus and the idiot opened fire maybe I could have saved innocent lives, maybe not but I would like to think I could try, not sitting there defenseless. I've bought guns not registered to me so if their is a mass confiscation i'll have a couple left. I'm a plinker and I love 22's. I have 6 of them and I'm looking for one more. I don't have a bolt action 22 Most people don't realize what you can do with a 22 at 300 yards if there isn't a hard wind. The 10/22 I've heard you mention is probably the greatest gun ever built. It will eat anything and its as accurate as $1000 dollar target rifles. I hardly ever shoot my self protection guns, that's what they're for, not target practice. I only keep one gun loaded in my house because of my grandchildren and they cant get to it, its a Mossberg 12 ga. pump. My LCP stays in my pocket almost 24/7. Its a long story but I prevented a rape one night without a gun and I realized how much easier it would have been with me now disabled if I were carrying. I wouldn't have killed the guy, I would have held the gun on him while the girl called 911. I might have fired a warning shot to let him know I meant business. If I can get an innocent person getting raped or killed by carrying I'm all for it. I don't ever want to feel helpless or fear for my life again like that night. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Midnightrider on 07/31/13 at 22:46:43 " Courage,.. is not in carrying a gun" I carry because I'm chickensh!t and cant fight LOL. It doesn't make me feel like a man to carry But if I can save an innocent life or mine I believe its the right thing to do.I really don't know much about foreign countries. I heard the murder rate in Austailia went up after the gun laws were changed, don't know if its true or not. Jerry and I have printed the statistics that the minorities are responsible for at least 85% of the murders. Do way with that and we would be one of the safest countries to live in.. You know I'm not a racist but you cant argue with the facts. I never locked my doors 20 years ago but times and people have changed. These kids growing up with the violent video games have no conscience, just like the whacko at New Haven. I have a lot of friends who carry and they really don't want to, they just believe as I do. There are a lot of guys carry big guns. I don't know if its to make up for small genitals of an inferiority complex. The biggest guns I have are deer hunting rifles and I cant use them anymore. I couldn't get a deer out of the woods if I killed it. My favorite round is the 22. I have 2 black automatic 22's, one with a 50 round clip. I don't need it but that's the way it came. I got em because the guy's needed money quick. They're great fun to shoot but you could have practically the same gun with a 10/22 with a 30 round clip. They sell a lot of them, probably to guys who cant afford a real AK or cant afford to shoot one. I would love to have an AR because like the 10/22 its about the best firearm ever made. I hang my guns on the wall unloaded and I love looking at them like my guitars. I think I have 6 guns I've never shot, I'll get around to it one of these days. I could talk guns all night but I'll quit boring you. God Bless You! |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/31/13 at 22:59:43 ..the Constitution has been amended more than 20 times. Are you counting the first 10? After the first 10, the Bill of Rights, the amendments have not all been good, just that it was changed doesnt mean it was improved, |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 07/31/13 at 23:20:05 ..(Dang!... just wrote a whole long response on my netbook and it disappeared)!... Hate that... Anyway,... Midnight. I fully understand... I've always been a littleshit... I can't take down a 300lb steroid case,.. furthermore one with a gun... ... but, the question is,.. in the bigger picture... Is this making the country better?... is this making a better place for our grandchildren?... Is this the country I want?... As I said,... I have 9 guns... I don't know how or why... Maybe it was part of the learning curve... Maybe it was the mechanical precision... ... I don't need 9 guns.... I just have them... If I were pressed,.. I'd say I need 2... 1 to defend the home,.. a big plugger.... ... and 1 to plink... a little plugger... ... but I have 9... I am nearly outraged at myself... I love to plink... I'm a decent shot... I''m not a lefty, pinko, gun hater... I have 9!... I just think that this, "All or nothing", "pry it from cold dead hand", it's the Constitution or nothing", rhetoric,... is more about fear than common sense... We don't want every driveway to hold a tank,... we don't want full auto weapons in 7-11... we don't want hand grenades lobbed at tailgaters... Where is the reasonable line?... We don't want 50+ people shot at the movie show, or 20+ children in a school... I would volunteer to die today to stop this... I'm not afraid for myself... I'd just like to see the direction go to less than more... If I didn't feel the need, I wouldn't have the need... It's not my need to feel safe,.. it's the fact that I now feel unsafe... You wouldn't feel this way,.. if you weren't in this circumstance... We need to fix the circumstance,.. not perpetuate it... I'm burn't out... just ramblin' now... Sorry,... all fired up, too tired to to be coherent... PS,.. Midnight,.. I know you to be a good man... I know you wouldn't hurt anyone without just cause... You don't need to defend yourself on that front... Peace, Serow... PS,..JOG,... not sayin' for good or bad... just sayin' it can happen.... it ain't writ in stone... If the people will it, it will happen... Even words writ in stone have been changed... This is an elected democracy,.. if you stand too steadfast against it, you will loose... The nobler cause, is to stand for a better country... One where your children will be safe without you... Don't expect a 5 yr old granddaughter to grow balls... This future is not looking pretty.... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/31/13 at 23:22:26 I am nearly outraged at myself. I would happily eliminate 7/9ths of your outrage with yourself. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 07/31/13 at 23:29:11 Sure... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Midnightrider on 08/01/13 at 00:10:48 Bot I think we need to bring home our National Guard from Afghanistan and let the crazy religious bastards destroy themselves. Our nation needs protection from the inside from the Black and Latinio gangs. 85% of murders are committed by minorities and if it wasn't for that we would live in one of the safest countries in the world. Color never has mattered to me but if you're a minority criminal in a gang you need to be stopped. If they take my guns or your guns away the gangs will still have guns.You cant solve the problem by harassing the innocent. I don't think there's a real answer that will please everybody but do away with the DEA and put them and the National guard busy getting the gangs off the street. 20 years ago I would never have thought about carrying a gun but times have changed and stopping the guilty to me is a better solution than trying to take my guns away. Taking my guns away will do absolutely nothing to correct the problem. There will always be psychopaths like the one at New Haven, kills his mother to get a gun and murders 26 people but remember he stole the gun to kill those kids with. He committed murder to get a gun. That's gonna happen from time to time but we just have to deal with it as it happens. Putting a National Gaurdsman on the elementary schools wouldn't cost anything becaue they get a paycheck whether their working or not. Evil is growing and you cant stop it by harassing innocent people. Bot your or my guns aren't hurting anyone, one day they might have to but until that day comes why harass us? Because its easier than going after the real criminals. To me its insanity to punish the law abiding citizens and let the criminals have their way.The List of gangs Star wrote about in LA is a pure outrage and we have law enforcement doing nothing about it. If there were a sane militia (not a bunch of crazy hotheads) I would join. I think peace on our streets is worth dying for, evidently the cops don't. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 05:43:56 Chicago gun killings have been in the news a lot lately (not enough in my opinion) and while higher than many cities, their statistics are not all that different than St. Louis. The 800 lb gorilla in the room no one wants to talk about is if you remove murders among African Americans, just from looking at the numbers, you'd say there was no gun problem in the us. When you hear it said, "oh my God, 500 were murdered in Chicago last year, it's like the Wild West I'm not going there for fear I'll be killed" the reality is, unless you're a black male between the ages of 18 - 24 and dealing in drugs or hanging out in those neighborhoods, you're not in danger. I have no fear of you Sew having 9 guns nor of Midnight with his or me with 4, but I do worry about the inner city kid with no education, no family upbringing, no culture around him that abhors violence and roll models like Jay-z who are pieces of sh!t. Them, I worry about. Look at the numbers, guns are a serious problem in one demographic and one demographic only. Columbine, Tucson and Sandy Hook shootings are far and few apart and no gun law is going to stop those. I have normal fear of being shot in my neighborhood. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Paraquat on 08/01/13 at 06:05:21 Seriously? It's not a machine gun and as far as I know Arizona allows open carry. What's the darned deal? --Steve |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by srinath on 08/01/13 at 07:42:45 053730212637201F332039520 wrote:
Yea the classic, they are killed for their own good, or for society's good, or something like that. 7746554656524653270 wrote:
True ... the only thing I'd have liked to see was a complete background check and a full on registration @ every sale public/private/gun show/gun store ... so the person that is holding the weapon has no criminal tendency ... till that happens I have every reason to fear the chicken sheiote paranoid crackhead (could be) that may be holding that weapon. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 07:56:16 That's not what I said or what I mean. I'm not engaging you on this Sri. I would not like to get on a bus either and see a guy with an AR-15. I would like to find more about this. First off, did it really happen? I recall a few years ago a black Missouri congressman said he was spit on and called names as he walked thru a tea-party crowd, but unknown to him, cameras followed him and showed that didn't happen. I'm a little suspicious it really happened. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 08/01/13 at 08:03:07 Yes, it is a real occurrence... It's all over the local news here... http://warpony2310.blogspot.com/2013/06/tucson-az-wild-wild-west-man-with-ar-15.html http://www.kvoa.com/images/thumbnails/E44A02468A43313EDAA690905D03B4F8_292_292.jpg ...enlarged... http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/serowbot/7221b5fd-6da7-4684-a4b5-986fd9ecc447_zps96ec2946.jpg |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by 45acp on 08/01/13 at 08:28:15 maybe he is being ever vigilant. maybe their were criminals around and he was protecting the people on the bus. i do see the punisher bag. superhero yeah. ;) seriously though, he didnt hurt anybody. just ridding the bus. i like carrying guns and he wouldnt have bothered me in the least bit. then again im not afraid of everything. just do what the libs tell us to do with gays. if you dont like it just dont look at it. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 08:39:30 thank you, that answers one question. For the record, I do not want to see that on a bus. Then again, what kind of neighborhood is the bus in? Is it in a high crime neighborhood? Who is this guy? Was he making a point about gun rights or is he a freaking lunatic? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 08:44:27 However, another thought comes to mind. Freedom of speech is the cause of many difficult situations that we have to confront like Nazi or Black Panther parades for example. We don't toss out the baby with the bathwater. Do I have to accept this guy on a bus because, in the bigger picture, this is two sides of the same coin? My freedom to protect myself as I see fit allows for this guy to express himself as he sees fit. We allow the danger of Nazis and Black Panthers spewing hate speech because we say this is the price of freedom and the price of the 1st amendment. Do we / shouldn't we make similar allowances for the 2nd amendment? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 08/01/13 at 09:05:52 Bad neighborhood?... This is Tucson,... not Beirut... we don't have neighborhoods that bad... It ain't Mayberry, but, it ain't Beirut... I wish the guy next to him had bashed his punk head in, and took that rifle away... I bet he was ready to at the slightest provocation... This looks like another psychoboy in the making to me... On the good side,.. you can bet he's now being watched and investigated by some anti-terror task force or something... In another local incident,.. an off duty cop started waving his gun around in a store... He's fired... I hope they keep an eye on him too... Too many frikken nuts with guns around here... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du46hI3dtys[/media] |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 09:13:34 Okay, fair enough, but what about the other points? Do I have to accept this guy on a bus because, in the bigger picture, this is two sides of the same coin? My freedom to protect myself as I see fit allows for this guy to express himself as he sees fit. We allow the danger of Nazis and Black Panthers spewing hate speech because we say this is the price of freedom and the price of the 1st amendment. Do we / shouldn't we make similar allowances for the 2nd amendment? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Paraquat on 08/01/13 at 09:20:29 On Wednesday, September 12, the New Britain Common Council voted 13-0 to approve a city ordinance allowing individuals with a State Permit to Carry Pistols and Revolvers to carry concealed in that city. Prior to Wednesday’s vote, New Britain was the only city in Connecticut requiring residents to carry their pistols and revolvers in plain sight. This revised ordinance, currently awaiting Mayor Tim O’Brien’s expected signature, brings New Britain into alignment with the rest of Connecticut. We thank the New Britain Common Council for approving this pro-gun reform, and we look forward to examining opportunities in the upcoming legislative session to further ensure firearm and ammunition laws are uniform throughout the state. http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-legislation/2012/9/connecticut-new-britain-ends-concealed-carry-ban.aspx Not even a year ago. I could carry concealed in CT but not in my own town. Start with that. Then "out of sight, out of mind" will keep you warm at night. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 08/01/13 at 09:29:39 Personally,.. I'm not in favor of that freedom... Open carry,... and especially open carry of military assault rifles are not something I want see... I know lots of people here disagree,.. but, hey,.. it's what I think... I just don't feel freer with that right... I don't want to have to ride a bus, with eyes constantly trained on this nut, and be tensed to pounce on his a$$ if he goes postal... That ain't freedom... and you know, you'd all be doing the same thing on that bus... If you wouldn't,... then, your carrying a gun for protection is a waste of time... This is no way to live... This is Afghanistan... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 10:39:15 I remember flying shortly after September 11. Seeing the young servicemen carrying M-16s in the airports was a bit unnerving. Even though they were on "my side" I'm not sure I liked it. On the other hand, if the sh!t hit the fan, I'm sure I would have been glad they were there. Of course, we're talking about trained military service people, not crazy civilians. Still, this is not Afghanistan. Last time I checked, we did not have multiple car bombs going off almost daily. If we did, I think I'd carry an at- 15 also. My point about the dangers of bad neighborhoods needs to be made again. You and I have very little to fear on a typical day. If you think about the number of guns that me, you and midnight have, look at how few times they've been used in an assault?! Probably zero! The vast, vast, percentage of gun owners are not to be feared. Do you really think you're going to get shot walking down the streets of Tucson? |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Serowbot on 08/01/13 at 10:49:31 093B3C2D2A3B2C133F2C355E0 wrote:
Noop,... not day to day, that's why I feel no need to carry... but, that guy on that bus, would have my attention... That's my point... he worries me much more than some gang banger on the street... If I end up carrying in the future, it won't be to defend against criminals,.. it will be to check these gun nuts and psychos... Nothing more dangerous than scared man with gun... the gang bangers aren't scared... They may shoot each other, but I'm no threat, and so I feel no danger... Know what I mean?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 11:26:29 No, I'm missing your logic. That's the discredited argument that right to carry laws result in more crime when they don't. You are far more likely to be the victim of a gun crime by a gang banger than while sitting on a bus (or in a movie theater). |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Dane Allen on 08/01/13 at 12:04:33 This is a complex issue and have been really thinking this over before I posted anything. The roots of all this seem to be in the breakdown of society, which some would say is done on purpose but I am not going there. People like the guy on the bus feel the need to flex their civil rights, why, because they are threatened with infringement. So, why the infringement? The social pressures that used to exit that keep people orderly have greatly waned. The nuts that go into the theater, schools and malls are not constrained any longer. Is it video games? Movies? Toxic Foods? Dwindling mental health options? People who used to intervene are not there for some reason. Education has gone straight down the $hitter as the unions have taken over and blacks are warehoused in a state of perpetual poverty and moral decay. Hispanics are next on the list of those to be warehoused for the sake of getting votes. Violence is how they get by. So the slippery slope has come full circle where we have stolen the futures of a population segment by providing a politically correct and equally worthless education, locked them onto a welfare plantation with no escape and when they act out with violence the ruling class puts limits on the rest of us instead. Pander to Whites with Indulgences via redistribution Pander to Hispanics with Amnesty Pander to African Americans with obamaphones and "White" Zimmerman show trial While unnerving, preventing the guy on the bus in Tucson from carrying an AR-15 to where ever he's going does not fix the real problem, or the source of the problem, which is the social and moral destruction of a class of people for political gain. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by WebsterMark on 08/01/13 at 12:59:14 Dane, that last post looks like a syllabus for a college course at Harvard....! |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Dane Allen on 08/01/13 at 13:50:46 784A4D5C5B4A5D624E5D442F0 wrote:
;D ;D I much appreciate the observation but I can assure you that Harvard would have very little interest in me ;D It's the Marxism, Socialism and Liberalism that is at the core of all this. The idea that the Constitution is a "living" document and how whatever Justice Ginsberg doesn't like is considered unconstitutional is at the core of all this. But I would add that the guy on the bus isn't what makes us resemble Afganistan, it's the government corruption and cronyism that is decaying society into that which resembles Afganistan. Be very mindful of why they open carry machineguns and RPGs there, it's tribal and corrupt. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by Dane Allen on 08/01/13 at 14:09:34 What I have found fascinating is the kind of Transference or Projective Identification that the Left puts upon anyone who doesn't toe the line. The left can't even debate anymore, they have totally lost the skill, and they instead jump strait to the racism card. But their policies are inherently racist whether it be predatory wellfare or affirmative action. Sri loves calling people Republicommunist, which in itself is completely ridiculous, which attaches his world view to those who oppose his ideas. The left says Republicans want old people and sick people to die and then create Obamacare that will use death panels to control costs. The Left says Romney is a tax cheat but the Rangels, Geithners and all the others cheat like crazy. They say Republicans hate the poor but it is Republicans trying to reduce the burdens on business to get them hiring again. Whose policies have kept the economy down? Kept minorities down? The Left says that if even one child can be saved by stripping us of our gun rights then it is worht it. I ask why not restrict Abortion then? There's a way to save a lot of African Americans right there!! The guy carrying the AR on the bus is WAY down stream from the source of his actions in society today. Corruption, pure and simple. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/05/13 at 13:09:32 Keep swinging,, Youre right. |
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Title: Re: Welcome to Afghanistan... Post by srinath on 08/06/13 at 09:30:24 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
Yup. Keep swinging far far far right ... Cool. Srinath. |
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