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Title: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 07/29/13 at 12:20:11 Aloha from Hawaii. Just purchased a 2007 S40 with about 8000 miles on it. Not my first bike but first cruiser. On my way home getting on the on ramp, ran right into the grass area thinking it'll handle the same as my old Triumph Daytona. It didn't lean like I thought it would nor did it turn like I thought it woud. Embarrassing! :o Anyway, I was wondering if there are any tips/advices for new (but not new) riders for the crusiers. I realized I need to take corners slowly. Also, any other suggestions would help as well. Bike is basically stock. I've purchased (after reading through the posts on here) Dyna exhaust and planning on getting it rejetted. One thing I've noticed is the throttle handle moves left to right like it's loose. There is about a 1cm of wiggle room. Wondering if that is normal for this bike or not. Thanks!! |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/13 at 12:50:41 6B7E6574216460120 wrote:
Nope,, otta not shift left & right like that,, a coula MM's? Yea,, but not 10.. So,, whats the fix? Damfino.. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ToesNose on 07/29/13 at 14:20:48 Welcome YellowFever! Yea the LS650 handles quite well for a cruiser, but it's definitely not a sport bike. ;D Just take it easy till you acclimate to the cruiser feel of things, don't worry you'll still enjoy scraping pegs once in a while ;) |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by Serowbot on 07/29/13 at 14:42:50 Learn to steer using your arms,.. not by leaning... The bike is quick and nimble with direct input... It's not the rake that's slowing you down... ...(I'm guessing you have drag bars)... they do require some input... ;)... Mostly start out slow, and ride safe... |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/13 at 14:53:38 Well,, Rowboats( serowbot) right,, This thing Can be made to HOP from one lane to the next, with enough crank into the bars.. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by Steve H on 07/29/13 at 15:17:06 Like they said, it takes a while to get acclimated to a cruiser. I have noticed that my forks will actually flex a little on quick maneuvers sometimes. It seems to me that it takes a little more steering input that the other bikes I've had. Back brakes are a little twitchy. There's not much between slowing down some and sliding. You're so low, it feels sort of funny after a standard or sport. But, you'll love it once you get accustomed to the way it does things. And, it will definitely go when you get into it a little. I try not to scrape pegs like some around here do...last thing I scraped was the valve cover on my goldwing. (it's not a sport either) Pegs still had a couple more inches. Something's definitely not right about that throttle grip. It shouldn't move side to side like that. Make sure it's not gonna come off in your hand before you do too much riding. Be safe and have fun. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 07/29/13 at 16:34:46 Thanks for all the input! Serowbot - you said steer using your arms? Can you elaborate more? The grip definitly won't fall off because there is little cap at the end. Wonder if I should take it to a shop? (I think I should do like an inspection to see if everything is in working order ie fluids, etc) |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/13 at 17:18:45 Dont trust that cap to save you.. those things are allways falling out.. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by oldNslow on 07/29/13 at 17:23:07 Quote:
To turn right PUSH on the right grip - to turn left PUSH on the left grip. The bike will lean into the turn. When it's leaning over far enough,quit pushing on the grip. Lots quicker than trying to use your body. This is actually what you are doing anyway even if you're not aware of it. Doing it deliberately lets you - with a little practice - flip the bike from side to side with very little effort. Try it on a straight road. Gently push on one grip and then the other. You can move the bike from one side of the lane to the other with nothing more than tiny inputs from your hands. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 07/29/13 at 18:32:13 5E60616D7F63620C0 wrote:
Thanks! Yeah that's what was taught at the BRC.. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 07/29/13 at 18:49:56 What does everyone think about the K&N Air Filters for this bike? Or any other aftermarket air filter? How hard is it to change that out if it's worth it? |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by Roberto1444 on 07/29/13 at 19:00:20 Google counterintuitive. Ops! Counter steering. There are lots of info on it, but basically it's as simple as oldnslow put. Problem is that counter steering is also counterintuitive! And nothing that's counterintuitive is plain simple to do... Oldnslow could have said - to turn right, turn the front wheel to the left - and that would be a precise instruction, except that it would reinforce the paradox, it would add to your logical repugnance to do what he wisely suggests you to do. I'd definitely go piano, as musicians say. Slowly, gently. If you're a math kind of guy, you'll find all the equations explaining this absurd phenomenon googling a pdf named "Steering in bicycles and motorcycles". I am not a math head myself, but I cherish this pdf as I'd do to a strange poem. Don't think that is a special steering technique for cruisers. It's just a quick, instant way to steer any bike. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/13 at 19:07:19 Simple, countersteering Steers the wheels out from under your BUTT. YOu run the front tire to the right, suddenly the bike wants to fall to the left, because the TIRES went to the right, the clown on top didnt,, so, now its out of balance & is about to crash,, youll turn back left or crash. It may SEEM counterintuitive, but its not,, because it is 100% Intuitive, its not Consciously done. Countersteering is what youve been doing since the training wheels came off. NOW its time to do it consciously. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 07/29/13 at 20:12:42 Lol all great comments! Thanks! It was a lot easier on my Daytona. What do you all think about KN air filter? Necessary? |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by Roberto1444 on 07/29/13 at 20:20:14 Disagree. It may seem illogical, only it's not. But it is counterintuitive. See, until you reach 25 mph your handlebars work according to your intuition - point the wheel to the right to go to the right. When you approach that magical speed, misteriously, the controls flip. Think airplanes flying belly up. Not the same but elevator control flips, and the reason many pilots die is because they act instinctively, they pull the stick to go up, and... crash. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/29/13 at 20:47:33 Nope,, not necessary. If you keep it long enough, itll pay out. Keep your OEM paper filter in case you wanna ride while the K&N is drying, |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by Serowbot on 07/29/13 at 22:11:43 I purposely didn't explain it,.. 'cause when you say it, it gets confusing... Anyone that rides,.. actually does it... or they crash... so, you can do it, easy... ;D ;D ;D... It's just that when you start using the bars to initiate, instead of your rear end,... you'll find find out how fast a bike can jump into a turn... ... you can jump lanes in a fraction of a second... Just take baby steps, and don't throw yersef' on the ground... ;)... PS... (once you get over countersteering,... ..you can start thinking about body position... if you can transfer your weight beyond the bike lean, you can keep a bike more upright and gain traction... (I only do this when I'm in trouble)... but, if you watch GP racers they are crawling around like monkeys... If you need to this on the street, you're going too fast... (save it for emergencies, like a spare $20 in your wallet)... If you ever find yourself in a turn, and past the limit of your tires... pretend you are the monkey on a side hack racer, and scootch yer' bum over into the turn, stick your knee out, and lean your head deep into the turn... this will shift the center of gravity and upright the bike a bit for more traction... Then,... change yer' undies... and slow down!...:-[... |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by markbacon on 07/29/13 at 22:19:11 I'll accept that I might be unusual, but with every bike I've owned steering just through the bars has always felt some shade of ... wrong. Even frightening. Stepping on the inside footpeg (hard for the savage) gives me the best, securest cornering. Maybe tip it in with counter-steering the bars, but once it's tipped the rest is boot and throttle. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by Serowbot on 07/29/13 at 22:34:44 You must have strong legs... ;D... Seriously,... concentrate on the bar input... That's dialing direct... ;)... You don't need it, until you need it,.. than it's a bit late to learn... It needs to be instinctive... Knowing this,.. and knowing how necessary front brake is in stopping, can save your life... These two things are opposite to old school rider training... Very important habits to relearn... |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by EJID on 07/30/13 at 07:31:53 667368792C696D1F0 wrote:
Look at the following diagram. If I recall correctly, the 2 screws that hold the switch housing on the bar also have a slot that holds the throttle sleeve. I think that when I switched my grips (which came with a new throttle sleeve) I had to make sure I adjusted the switch housing a slight bit further on the bars to clear up some of the "slop." - If that makes sense :-? http://www.ronayers.com/HANDLE-SWITCH--C215606.aspx |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 07/30/13 at 22:00:46 595655581C0 wrote:
Look at the following diagram. If I recall correctly, the 2 screws that hold the switch housing on the bar also have a slot that holds the throttle sleeve. I think that when I switched my grips (which came with a new throttle sleeve) I had to make sure I adjusted the switch housing a slight bit further on the bars to clear up some of the "slop." - If that makes sense :-? http://www.ronayers.com/HANDLE-SWITCH--C215606.aspx [/quote] Thanks! Ill take a look! |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 07/30/13 at 22:02:11 7365726F77626F74000 wrote:
I was never able to master the whole stepping on the footpeg thing. Even on a sport bike. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 08/01/13 at 00:05:19 Here is the space between the sleeve and end cap |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/01/13 at 01:44:32 Thats more like 1 to 2 millimeters,, "sarrite,," |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 08/01/13 at 07:45:36 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
:-[ yes it is lol guess I need to go back to school haha. Is this fine? |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by Sheriff41 on 08/01/13 at 09:32:50 Yep, that space is normal. Which island are you on? I'm on O'ahu. |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by ylwf3vr on 08/01/13 at 11:01:32 1F24293E252A2A787D4C0 wrote:
Oahu as well. Ewa area |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by LANCER on 08/01/13 at 16:37:22 3C293223763337450 wrote:
Oahu as well. Ewa area[/quote] 3 years in Ewa Beach base housing...and yes, it was a "Hardship tour" :))))) |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by mpescatori on 08/02/13 at 01:38:38 Hello ylwf3vr, this is Maurizio the Italia Forum member frmo Rome, Italy ! :D 24312A3B6E2B2F5D0 wrote:
Thanks! Yeah that's what was taught at the BRC.. [/quote] I use a mirror image of this technique, which came to me by instinct when cafè racing or just plain cruising on Italian highways at speed: I "tug" or "hang on" to the outside grip as I lean into the curve. The "countersteer" effect is exactly the same, however I find this technique much easier and more instinctive because it allow you to drag your inner knee as you hand onto the outer grip... There's no way you can "push right" and "drag right" at the same time... but you WILL "hang left" and "drag right" because that's how we walk&run! ;) |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by mpescatori on 08/02/13 at 01:39:14 PS Come to think of it... Whatever happened to SavageWahine ? :-/ ::) |
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Title: Re: Aloha! Post by verslagen1 on 08/02/13 at 07:38:52 sold her bike and went to washington |
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