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Title: Which Handgun? Post by Blinky-FSO on 07/22/13 at 14:40:37 Without going into any detail, I found myself in a situation while on a road trip on the bike where I would have felt more secure with a firearm. I was able to diffuse the situation but it could have gone either way. As some background, I was given a 22 long rifle and a 410 when i was 8 and taught how to hunt squirrel and rabbit. I sold them to get them out of the house when our first child was born (gee, that was 37 years ago) and have just never had the need or desire to get another. I am not anti-gun but they do not hold any fascination for me either. Since I don't intend them to become a new hobby, I think I would be looking for a concealed hammer revolver, maybe a 2 or 3 inch 38 special. Less to go wrong, easier to carry, and a big enough bang to be an effective defense. Let me have your input as to the type and make of weapon. I am researching concealed classes here in Kentucky and am still trying to decide if I want to go through with this. TIA Good hunting |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by apache snow on 07/22/13 at 14:59:25 A 38 revolver would work well for you. They are always ready to fire and no safety to forget about. A Smith&Wesson model 642 hammerless in stainless steel would work real well. Some of my favorite carry guns.. http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/dlstewart01/004-1.jpg Almost forgot my Ruger LCP 380. http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt292/dlstewart01/005.jpg |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Serowbot on 07/22/13 at 15:17:25 There's always the pepper spray option as well... I do have a gun for home protection,.. but on the rode, I think I'd carry pepper if I felt the need... Cheaper, safer, lighter and safer... did I say safer?... :-?... Not to start a gun war,.. just suggesting another option... |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by verslagen1 on 07/22/13 at 15:44:03 I was told... wasp spray by the guy that sold the pepper spray. longer distance, more accurate... just as effective. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by WD on 07/22/13 at 15:52:01 Smith and Wesson 442 (blued) or 642 stainless. My pocket carry is either a 1936 CZ24 9mm kurtz (.380 acp) or a Freedom Arms .22wmr 4 shot SA revolver with the front sight removed (easier to jam in an ear or nostril)... Preferred "concealed" revolver is a 1931 S&W 3rd Model .44 Hand Ejector. Most people find a 4" barrel N frame rather bulky, I consider it a cute little toy gun. I wear a 4 or 5x glove so... ::) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Greg on 07/22/13 at 15:59:45 I hope this doesn't turn into a gun war. It is a legitimate question. One I have asked myself many times. Since it will not be a hobby and you probably won't maintain it often, the revolver is your best choice. A concealed hammer will not snag as easily and can actually be fired from a jacket pocket without worry. I second the 642 or some other manufacturer's equivalent. The problem may become how to carry it. It will depend on how accessible you want it to be. If you toss it in your coat pocket, make sure it zips so you don't lose it. If you are going to carry in in or on the waist band, you will need to get used to having it there. Pants pocket carry, while possible with the J-frame, is bulky. I have had mine fall out of my front pocket holster while leaning back in an office chair. I would stay away from the semi autos even though they are easier to carry in a pocket. they are not as fool proof as a revolver and will need cleaned and lubed periodically. Plus the springs in magazines weaken over time if it is always loaded. I looked at the derringer type guns as well. They are just as big but heavier than the small revolvers but are typically limited to 2 rounds. If you are looking for a deep concealment, last resort, SHTF weapon, a North American Arms .22LR with a necklace holster will conceal even with a super minimum of clothing. You need to be right on top of the criminal and be able to place a shot to do damage. The sight of the gun may scare him away though. Whatever you choose, the best weapon is the one you will carry. If it is too big or confusing, it will sit at home. While I agree that pepper/wasp spray may work, if the attacker is messed up on something, I would rather hit him with lead. Whatever you choose, even if it is wasp spray, you will need to practice. You don't need to go out every weekend but you need to know how it works and where the spray/lead goes when you pull the trigger. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Serowbot on 07/22/13 at 16:11:34 Just Googled wasp spray... Snopes says it is legit, but not tested, and may be illegal some places... http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by WD on 07/22/13 at 16:23:40 North American Arms .22LR with a necklace holster That's what I said... Mine is the older magnum version before the founders of Freedom Arms got mad at each other and one took full sized, one took necklace gun production. Just watch the front sight, mine actually fell off and got lost years ago. Practice with a 642? Not on your life, I value my thumb too much. Horrible gun to fire more than a cylinder or two a year. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by ToesNose on 07/22/13 at 16:39:45 I carry a Ruger SR9C unless I'm riding, I found it to be a bit too bulky on the bike. So I picked up a Ruger LC9 and keep that on my waist while riding and hardly notice it. Both are easy to shoot and quite accurate. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by apache snow on 07/22/13 at 16:41:40 I shoot 50 rounds at a time throught my 642 without issues. Now the 640 357 J frame I have is a different story. It kicks like a mule. I only shoot 110 or 125 grain through it. :) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Dj12midnit on 07/22/13 at 18:53:04 I my self and looking at the S&W M&P in a 9. Feels real good in my hand. I suggest you go to a local store with a large selection and start holding them. Find a couple that feel good then go to the local range and rent them. Not something you can just grab any old one. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by WD on 07/22/13 at 20:15:45 Apache Snow, it's my hand size. My standard carry is a dragoon Superblack Hawk framed Old Army. The standard Old Army with Blackhawk grip frame is too small. My 3rd Model .44HE is mostly a paperweight (very expensive paperweight, factory full nickel plate with carved pearl grip scales). Size 13EEE boots, 4 or 5x gloves. A Sig P6 feels small. Only comfortable grip autoloader I've had was a .44 Auto Mag. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by MMRanch on 07/22/13 at 20:42:06 Hay Blinky If it not easy to carry ,... you'll leave it at the house . That NAA 22Mag /2" barrel has more speed and energy that a 22LR-Rifle (North Americans Arm has a web site with data/barrel lengths,etc) and Its not what you hit with .. its where you hit that make the difference.' I've shot a lot of deer size critters. I've help track 30-06 shot deer run a half mile and I've seen 222 Rem shot deer drop dead in there tracks. The first deer I ever cleaned was a 22LR 70Yard shot through the lungs that ran only 10-15 yards. (No that ain't legal, and I didn't do it) I just helped not waste the meat. :-[ At the time it seemed like the right thing to do ? |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Serowbot on 07/22/13 at 23:13:47 697A3E0 wrote:
Shouldn't bullets just bounce off of you?... What do you need a gun for?... ;D... |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/13 at 00:51:41 Id like one of those 45/410 revolvers. PUts ( IIRC) 5 rounds of 410 shot shell in your hand. What could be better for close up discouraging someone from bein a thingy? One thing that bothers me is what IF there are innocent people in range, behind the target? Makes a shot shell look better than a powerful handgun round. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Serowbot on 07/23/13 at 01:36:20 584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:
A good thing to be bothered about... In my home,... I have a good amount situational awareness... Out in public,... it can be a very difficult task... for us, as well as the criminals,... as well as the police... I'm just not comfortable with it... When I shoot, for fun... it's on a clear range, with a solid backstop... |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/13 at 01:49:14 I shoot at home & I have neighbors, but the place is hilly & I have a backstop. We always keep targets low & anyone who shoots here first gets a complete explanation of how & why no bullets can be allowed to escape. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by LANCER on 07/23/13 at 04:26:59 42514647585553515A05340 wrote:
Oh yes, excellent suggestion |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by ToesNose on 07/23/13 at 04:37:37 Quote:
Unfortunately for some people, you don't know till it's too late. I'm not saying that everyone needs a gun, but I know people that would have ended up dead or seriously FUBAR without one. Most recently friends on Long Island who had looters after Sandy >:( |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Greg on 07/23/13 at 04:50:12 4A591D0 wrote:
I have a 442 Airweight in aluminum. I just put a box of ammo through it along with a cylinder full of +P. I had no issues. My buddy fired it twice and gave it back. I guess it just fits me better than him. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by old_rider on 07/23/13 at 04:50:22 I got the wife a S&W airwieght .38 special, the hammerless version. Its not a good shoot all day at the range pistol, but she does great with it. I've added a laser sight/handgrip combo that works well, just grip it and the laser lights your target, all you gotta do is squeeze the trigger, point and click as I say. She can hit a one inch square repeatedly at about 30 feet, farther if she takes her time. Makes it real easy to use, you just pick up the pistol the laser comes on and you point it where it will do the most damage and squeeze....easy peasy. With us being in the hurricane central area, I've always had home protection. Two years ago we both got our concealed permits, never had an incedent on the road, but I do feel a might bit better knowing I've got it if I need it. Its really up to you tho, and if I ever get into a situation, I find its always better to humble myself and walk away and if walking away is not an option, i'll have one more trick up my sleeve and hopefully won't have to use it. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Greg on 07/23/13 at 04:56:02 77747C6A717C7D6A180 wrote:
I have the grip laser as well. It can help but you still need to be able to shoot without it. I have found a way to grip the weapon and not have the light come on. It may happen in a tense situation as well. And yes, walking away is always the best option. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by WD on 07/23/13 at 07:11:55 442-1 Airweight .38, the 642 being real metal is a tad heavier. I'll fire one from the 442 and put it back up. Lisa got rid of her Bersa Thunder CC .380, I'm fixing her .38 Long Colt revolver for her carry gun. Cylinder had been professionally resized to handle .38 Special, it was her grandfather's duty gun when he was a Memphis motorcycle officer. The .44HE was his dress gun. If a revolver was good enough for a WW1 Marine turned motorcycle cop in the 20s and 30s, and good enough for him as munitions plant security chief during WW2... more than sufficient for us. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Pine on 07/23/13 at 07:28:06 Just my .02 worth... The best gun is a loaded and functional gun. Where a mag fed gun must by nature of design have the mag spring under constant tension ( that then "cold works' the spring making it less effective over time... a revolver that is loaded but other wise not cocked is fully "at rest". None of the springs are under tension. A loaded revo, can be put in an sock drawer and left for decades and still be expected to fire as good as the day it was stored. I have purchased a .357 ( which also shoots .38s) for each member of my family. They have also been sent to an expert to receive training, not only on HOW to shoot... but when to shoot... ie how to protect themselves. Also We belong to a gun club, and I reload. This means they ( and I) can practice anytime... nearly as much as we want. To date, no one has decided to carry... but they each have that option, and the skills to make that option viable. PS: I do one one semi-auto. I traded for it at the request of my son. But its only been shot maybe 50 times. CZ 9mm. Nice heavy metal gun. As to the .357 we use, they are old and not generally available, so I don't suggest trying to find one. Dan Wesson model 15 .. all steel. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by apache snow on 07/23/13 at 07:36:09 do magazine springs usually wear out or get too weak? http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-501451.html |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by mpescatori on 07/23/13 at 10:01:31 My two Eurocents from this side of the pond... I like what Pine just said 71484F44554E53210 wrote:
I have owned and carried a long time in my life. I still own, but stopped carrying for legal reasons. Far too many ... crooks ? Yes, but not in the streets, rather in Courthouses, and most unfortunately they sit in very tall chairs and expect you to call them "Your Honor"... :-X Of the many guns I felt most comfortable with, #1 was my former puny little Beretta mod. 20 in 22LR, DA semiauto so small it fits in a box of cigarettes. http://www.retting.com/aa/ber2025u290.jpg However, thanks to its fully open slide, blowback action and flip-up barrel, IT WILL NOT JAM ! http://www.armiusate.it/user_images/2972695.jpg Of course, you need to pull the slide or pull the hammer (I never carried in Condition_1, cocked and locked, not if you're carrying concealed anyway) but it's stone cold reliable. If you're concerned with the magazine spring "getting tired", simply buy extra magazines and rotate them once every week or so. The other gun was my very rare (in Italy, that is) Charter Arms Bulldog in .44Sp. http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIh7NYhOAi3czNKulqHfFeZwp-_3hZFPEm1KHjQqW5b5Fv32aifg Why did I choose Charter Arms over S&W? 1. Charter Arms gave me 5 shots of .44 vs. 6 shots of .38 http://https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfgj0fv0ZawS4Aah7EYuYAtmam51vWLvnzD5ZYXiOQHy5L9XuX1A 2. Read below, it's a matter of engineering. http://i33.tinypic.com/20ivvcl.jpg What a baby !!! She only held 5 rounds of .44 in the lightweight barrel, and I never had to fire it... ...but the one time I had someone pull a knife on me (two guys, actually, during a discussion over double parking... :P ) I drew, and the Bulldog looks nothing like your dime-a-dozen saturday Night Special! I mean... that muzzle simply GAPES open jawed at you ! http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o9c98Vf6jtw/TQUzjaVufRI/AAAAAAAABAw/51YZAEcYTnE/s1600/compare%2Bto%2Bm10%2Bmuzzles.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9cHkMILP4_A/Seg_D4nangI/AAAAAAAABA0/5kzkazFjoQA/s800/340pd-DownTheBarrelOfAGunSmall.jpg 8-) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Dave on 07/23/13 at 10:09:25 Lyrics from Frankie and Johnny: Frankie drew back to her kimona she took out a little .44 Rutty tooo toot three times she shot right through that hardwood door She shot her man he was doing her wrong |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by youzguyz on 07/23/13 at 10:11:10 736273717A77617C7D65120 wrote:
+1 on that article, at least in my experience! I always keep a full clip in my semi-auto. I shoot maybe once a year, maybe 30 rounds, just to make sure everything is still OK (eye sight, gun sight, etc) and yep, I can still shoot them paper criminals right where it hurts! How long have I been doing that?.. since about 1981. Same gun, same magazine. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/13 at 10:42:39 THATS info Ive been wanting! Now, what about the firing pin spring on a Mossin Nagant? Can I put it on safe & leave it, too? |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Pine on 07/23/13 at 13:21:14 heheh thanks Pescatori... My mom also had that same Beretta, was perfect for her. my wifes gun... http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e99HUugQYdg/TGlwipFPsWI/AAAAAAAAAdI/xFgNyRNd-ek/s720/final_inside_merged_shrunk.jpg with her custom grip... and the same gun next to mine but with the alternate barrel: http://https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-GIGVCyKZhMY/TQwEFEWttcI/AAAAAAAAAqo/oXm2xMEZa5w/s720/EWK%2520EPC%25202010-12--6.JPG OK ok I don't got the same gapping hole as the .44 ... but if I throw it 'em.. it will hurt! |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by ToesNose on 07/23/13 at 18:06:06 My Father-in-law has a WW1 Luger with the original wooden bottom spring loaded clips that we shoot once in a while when we go shooting, original springs almost 100 years old and they push that ammo just as good as my 2 year old Ruger SR9c (shrugs his shoulders) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Dj12midnit on 07/23/13 at 20:06:57 7841464D5C475A280 wrote:
If I call you daddy do I get a gun. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by stinger on 07/24/13 at 03:38:39 I usually carry a 38 police special or my favorite pistol, a 22 LR 6 shot that is small but makes lots of noise. Both are small but deadly. It's only 1 inch to your heart. I do not think I would want to face some thug carrying a big knife with wasp or pepper spray. Even the police sometimes fail to stop a thug with pepper spray or tazer's. Especially if they are super high on meth. I was told by the police that a gun that is not loaded is not a weapon. Unless you plan on just throwing it at them. Carry the clip in the gun and your OK, Have one in the chamber and it's a different story. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Dj12midnit on 07/24/13 at 12:14:29 21263B3C353720520 wrote:
If it does not have a round in the chamber you might as well leave it at home. I don't know of any bad guys that are willing to wait while you get ready. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Dave on 07/24/13 at 12:36:19 212F7477282C212B2C31450 wrote:
If it does not have a round in the chamber you might as well leave it at home. I don't know of any bad guys that are willing to wait while you get ready. [/quote] When I took my concealed carry class, our instructor said that only in the movies do they cycle the slide on the pistol or pump the shotgun....in real life you need to have a round in the chamber and be ready to shoot in an instant. That is not to say you should shoot....but if it does become necessary you may not get any advance notice. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Snubby241 on 07/30/13 at 20:31:18 Since this is not a bike thing, I'm not a noob on this subject. Recommend a da revolver, lessons, and lots of practice. My favorite is a S&W 66 2 1/2". Autos I like are a Sig P230 and Glock 23 (Glock makes some nice sub-compacts also.) I have a S&W 625 3" that's pretty impressive, it's an N frame in .45 acp loaded on moon clips. Kinda big and heavy though. Most important is your willingness to use it and accept the consequences of your actions. 'Cause there will be consequences. Oh Yeah, for ammo, find out what your local LEOs use. When you go to court you don't want them harping on you using extra nasty dum dum bullets or some such. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Midnightrider on 08/07/13 at 21:02:05 I carry a Ruger LCP 380. Fits right in my right pocket and no one knows I have it. I think Rugers are the most reliable guns made. I don't ever plan on using it but I had rather have it and not need it than the opposite. It stays with me when I'm not riding also. Its one of the most concealable guns ever made. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by prechermike on 08/08/13 at 02:50:00 I have a Kel-Tec PF9, at the time the thinnest, lightest 9mm on the market. Will easily fit in my pocket, also I bought a clip that allows for IWB carry without a holster. Nice little gun, in my opinion. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by old_rider on 08/08/13 at 08:42:28 727067616A67706F6B6967020 wrote:
I also have the PF-9, could you post a link or tell me were I can find that clip? |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by prechermike on 08/08/13 at 15:10:04 6360687E6568697E0C0 wrote:
I also have the PF-9, could you post a link or tell me were I can find that clip?[/quote] Here is a picture of the gun (not mine, but just like it, even the same color) with the clip installed http://cdn2.armslist.com/sites/armslist/uploads/posts/2012/09/16/565975_03_kel_tec_pf9_od_green_w_belt_cl_640.jpg Here is a link to Kel Tec's website for the clip: http://www.keltecweapons.com/product/pf-9-belt-clip-blued/ I think I bought mine off ebay, but can't remember for sure. It is very easy to install, (it has been a while but I think a couple of pins get replaced with a couple of screws) unnoticeable as far as firing and handling the gun, but it is a very secure way to carry. I think I have seen them for other brands, from other manufacturers, but am not 100% sure on that. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by jcstokes on 08/08/13 at 16:56:46 You people are all very lucky. You would all be in jail if you lived in New Zealand. Pistol packing is pretty much illegal here. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by LANCER on 08/08/13 at 17:52:45 4E4757504B4F4157240 wrote:
One of the things I like about Oklahoma is that I can "open carry" any weapon I like as long as a round is not chambered. However, if I pay a small fee and take a short class, I can get a license and can carry a loaded weapon, open carry or concealed...my choice. It's good to live in a state where we are still free to live as we wish. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Dave on 08/08/13 at 18:14:49 7D5A4F5C4247485A4B5C2E0 wrote:
So far this thread complies with the Cafe Rules. It is not political or religious, and they are just talkin' specifications and sweatin' the details. No one is being rude or impolite........and the thread is not pro or anti-gun control. Just people giving their opinions on what they are doing.......or would like to do.....or what they feel they have to do. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Starlifter on 08/08/13 at 22:08:52 Thank you, agreed. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/08/13 at 22:15:04 4D404F4244531316210 wrote:
One of the things I like about Oklahoma is that I can "open carry" any weapon I like as long as a round is not chambered. However, if I pay a small fee and take a short class, I can get a license and can carry a loaded weapon, open carry or concealed...my choice. It's good to live in a state where we are still free to live as we wish. [/quote] A "round not chambered"? Does that mean a 6 shot pistol with only 5 in it? |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by danjray on 08/09/13 at 07:59:13 78757A7771662623140 wrote:
One of the things I like about Oklahoma is that I can "open carry" any weapon I like as long as a round is not chambered. However, if I pay a small fee and take a short class, I can get a license and can carry a loaded weapon, open carry or concealed...my choice. It's good to live in a state where we are still free to live as we wish. [/quote] I wish that were the case in Connecticut, legally I can open carry with my pistol permit and walk down the street with a loaded shotgun on my back, but socially I'll get the cops called on me and more than likely get a ticket for brandishing a weapon :'( But I stick to concealed carry, I have a sig P200, it's on the larger side but with a good de santis holster it fits comfortably in the small of my bike or on my hip. Plus with a .45 round, I've got no doubt I'm stopping anyone, no matter how much meth they're on! |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Dave on 08/09/13 at 08:14:48 Please keep this thread suitable for the Cafe. Don't get into politics, laws, etc.......this is a thread about which Handgun you carry, or recommend to carry, hardware, holsters, etc. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by WD on 08/09/13 at 09:00:07 Blinky, let's make it a bit easier. Drop down the the farm, where you can test: CZ24 and Bersa Thunder CC, both are pocket sized .380 bottom feeders S&W 4" N frame .44 Special S&W J frame Airweight 442-1 .38 Special Iver Johnson 55A Target in .22 short, long, long rifle Ruger Super Blackhawk grip frame equipped single action .45 S&W K Frame or Colt New Police/Detective Special sized 6" .38 Special revolver Jenning J22 chrome and cocobolo .22 bottom feeder H&R Handy Gun in .410 Sig P6 bottom feeder in 9mm Luger Freedom Arms/North American Arms .22 Magnum necklace revolver Can arrange for a few others to be on hand if needed... |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by OldSport on 08/27/13 at 12:12:30 I carry a Ruger LC9. Be careful and know the laws. Not all permits cover you from state to state. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by babyhog on 08/27/13 at 12:29:06 I missed this thread... I recently bought a Ruger SR22. And put a laser sight on it. http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Pistol/images/3600.jpg I thought it was pricey but it fit my tiny hand perfectly. Still planning to take the concealed carry class, within the next few weeks. Granted, its not the ideal self-defense weapon, but being a female of small stature, I feel comfortable shooting it, so at least I would "try" to defend myself with it. And it will hurt, regardless of the bullet size. Hubby has several pistols that I "can" shoot, but don't really care to shoot (including the Kel-Tec PF9 like prechermike has) Its loud! And alot of them are too heavy for me. This one is small, light, easily concealable, and the rounds are cheap! A friend recently bought a Springfield XDS 45. Looks like an awesome thing, and felt great in-hand! I'd be half scared to fire it though. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by ToesNose on 08/27/13 at 14:09:59 6B686964667C050 wrote:
The most ideal self defense weapon is one you are comfortable with and able to use without any issues ;) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by 12Bravo on 08/27/13 at 19:33:18 1A212B3D00213D2B4E0 wrote:
The most ideal self defense weapon is one you are comfortable with and able to use without any issues ;)[/quote] BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) A small caliber pistol that you shoot well with is better than a larger caliber that you are afraid to shoot. As always: practice, practice, practice and be safe. I sometimes carry a .380 or 9mm and sometimes a 1911 .45 |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/27/13 at 22:40:22 5A5F50544C5F473E0 wrote:
One of the things I like about Oklahoma is that I can "open carry" any weapon I like as long as a round is not chambered. However, if I pay a small fee and take a short class, I can get a license and can carry a loaded weapon, open carry or concealed...my choice. It's good to live in a state where we are still free to live as we wish. [/quote] I wish that were the case in Connecticut, legally I can open carry with my pistol permit and walk down the street with a loaded shotgun on my back, but socially I'll get the cops called on me and more than likely get a ticket for brandishing a weapon :'( But I stick to concealed carry, I have a sig P200, it's on the larger side but with a good de santis holster it fits comfortably in the small of my bike or on my hip. Plus with a .45 round, I've got no doubt I'm stopping anyone, no matter how much meth they're on![/quote] Really? Dude,, Youre SOlid Ate UP with it & you dont even know,, it fits comfortably in the small of my bike or on my hip.. The small of your BIKE? Thats just funny,,, So,my dr gave me some recipes,, oneof the instructions given Mix dry ingredients in a large bowel. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by zieglarf on 08/28/13 at 00:51:14 I have an airsoft pistol. Good defense against squirrels... I think. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Oldfeller on 08/28/13 at 05:36:03 514E484F52556454645C4E42093B0 wrote:
One of the things I like about Oklahoma is that I can "open carry" any weapon I like as long as a round is not chambered. However, if I pay a small fee and take a short class, I can get a license and can carry a loaded weapon, open carry or concealed...my choice. It's good to live in a state where we are still free to live as we wish. [/quote] I wish that were the case in Connecticut, legally I can open carry with my pistol permit and walk down the street with a loaded shotgun on my back, but socially I'll get the cops called on me and more than likely get a ticket for brandishing a weapon :'( But I stick to concealed carry, I have a sig P200, it's on the larger side but with a good de santis holster it fits comfortably in the small of my bike or on my hip. Plus with a .45 round, I've got no doubt I'm stopping anyone, no matter how much meth they're on![/quote] Really? Dude,, Youre SOlid Ate UP with it & you dont even know,, it fits comfortably in the small of my bike or on my hip.. The small of your BIKE? Thats just funny,,, So,my dr gave me some recipes,, oneof the instructions given Mix dry ingredients in a large bowel. [/quote] Justin, what you see here is a new phenomenon that has only jumped into existence in the last calender year or so. People with modern cell phones can talk in a post quicker than they can type it in with their thumbs. Issue becomes them nasty old "sounds same but spelled different" words, and all the words that sound very very similar to the one you wanted. If you ever see a short post from me that lacks the first empty row space up at the top so it looks decent, and it comes complete with some screwed up words you know I did it at work just talking it in on my cell phone. ;) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/13 at 12:48:34 I liked that there wasp spray trick, seems cheap and effective for dogs as well as assailants (been attacked more times by aggressive dogs than by people). As to which gun I like best, I like my 10-222 and my gluck best of all. Glucks are handy and feel good in my hand, plus they are real simple to use in a pinch. My gluck and my 10-222 would get the job done, but then I'd likely have to explain them a bit afterwards I suspect. Continuous carry, nothing beats a P322 for convenient pocket carry. ;D |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Rix on 08/30/13 at 17:08:26 Might as well go 357. Ruger lcr. Small, light, easy. Modern springs won't wear out from being stored, FYI. Large numbers of cycles, yes. Sitting loaded, no. With all that said, I carry a ruger sr9 It has never failed to go bang in something around 7000 rounds now. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Oldfeller on 08/30/13 at 17:29:34 How bad is the recoil rise and "in hand rotation effects" on your grip on the SR9 when you're doing triple taps? Some powerful small pistols will actually rotate some in your grip with each shot and can cut your hand with the slide motion if you aren't careful. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by old_rider on 08/31/13 at 08:00:04 ok, I know a couple folks here reload, but where is everyone getting their ammo from? The wife and I (well the wife anyway) could use some range time to refresh home defense technique and I need to re-site her laser. I used to get ammo at the local walmart and a local gunshop, which both are out and cannot tell me when they will ever get any in. How can a gunshop do business with no ammo for the guns they sell??? I think gun manufactures ought to start selling their guns with ammo "included" for sighting and practice. LOL :) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by ToesNose on 08/31/13 at 16:53:38 5C7F7775767F7F7661130 wrote:
I have the SR9c not the SR9, but don't have that issue at all with it. Now with the LC9 that's a different story, but it is a significantly smaller pistol. ::) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Midnightrider on 08/31/13 at 19:29:26 I carry a Ruger LCP 380. It fits in my pocket and no one knows its there. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Oldfeller on 09/02/13 at 04:37:35 Did you know that the Ruger LCP 380 is the Keltek design produced under liscense from Keltek? I think Ruger polished it up some for investment casting (softened up some angles and corners) and I think that the Ruger's fit and finish is superior to what the low volume Keltek CNC process can produce. Heat treated CNC'd parts from bar stock might be technically a tad stronger than investment cast parts, but I have been perfectly content with several generations of investment cast Ruger guns and have NEVER seen any issue with the cast parts. Ruger stainless investment cast is very very good stuff in my eyes. Ruger's price is a bit higher though, buying the brand name I suspect. A stainless/plastic pocket gun from Ruger would be just about as good as it gets. Stronger brass can be made (a la Cooper Super Pooper) from cut down milsurp .223 brass. Wolff makes stronger recoil springs, which you will need if you are going +P on custom strong brass. http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto%20Pistols/RUGER/LCP%20.380/cID1/mID52/dID422 Unless you can find or make some much stronger brass, going very very hot on the thin walled .380 brass would be suicidal -- very weak thin walled stock .380 ACP brass and all of the little guns do have a bit of "non-support" over the ramp area which add up to "a side blow out over the ramp" potential if you load too hot. Check out Buffalo Bore and Corbon for +P loadings in the .380 ACP. I HOPE they have some stronger brass in those loads. Going up to 9mm in that small of a gun loses too much velocity in a 2" barrel gun and the "rock back in your hand" effects become fairly hard to control. So a LCP 380 is a pretty good match up of recoil to gun size. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Midnightrider on 09/02/13 at 15:49:48 I realize the Keltec and the Ruger are basically the same gun but I don't mind paying a little more for Rugers quality. Most of my guns are Rugers For the price and quality you cant beat a Ruger. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by WD on 09/02/13 at 17:45:57 Ruger? Even if you do beat them (almost to pieces) they keep working. Best revolvers ever made, have not tried any of their bottom feeders/jam-o-matics. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Jiggyfly on 09/03/13 at 01:13:41 You'll rarely find me without my LCP in my pocket. Is it my "favorite" pistol? no. But I know I can carry it with me all the time.... and as the old saying goes..... the $200 .380 in your pocket is better than the $1000 .45 you left at home! My personal opinion is that caliber really matter very little. Sure, I prefer a 9mm. I frequently carry a Kahr CM9, that shoots wonderfully. But really, in the end, I think a gun fired back in self-defense is what I call "the attitude changer". The "bad guy" doesn't know what caliber, model, or mfg you're shooting at him.... he just knows somethings on the other end going "bang", and it probably doesn't suit him very well. I'd fully expect to see Thug-licious in full on flee mode, regardless of what you're pulling the trigger on. I've owned more than a couple pistols, and IMO the best gun you can put your booby-grabbers around is a Glock. Their like hammers..... they just work. A G19, or G20, thank you. problem is, a full sized Glock isnt the easiest pistol to carry concealed. And as much as I love them.... the "baby Glocks" are the same width as the full-sized, thusly rendering them not very concealable, IMO. The Kahr has a very Glock like feel, and for me has been just as reliable. I try to shoot once every week or two, so my guns do get a work out. I'm not the best shot in the world..... but I feel bad for the bad guy I am puling the trigger on. Nah, just kidding..... if its gone that far, he has it coming! ;) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Jiggyfly on 09/03/13 at 01:17:21 and I'm not so sure about the LCP being a licensed design under Keltec.... I looked at both, and there are some significant differences. (mainly with the Keltec seeming like its a POS!?) any proof of this statement? (I am in no way saying that Ruger makes the best pistols, as I pretty much hate ALL of their other handguns. But its difficult to deny that the LCP just plan works for its intended design.) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Quadra on 09/03/13 at 02:28:47 The LCP and P3AT share many similarities, but the LCP is way better. My p3AT was a little firecracker. To be blunt, it just hurt to shoot. It did its job, I had no problem carrying it all dy long. But at the range, I found my practice sessions ending around half a box in. The LCP is a smidgen wider and finished smoother an I have no problem finishing a whole box of ammo. Even my wife can group somewhat effectively with the LCP. I don't have any revolvers anymore, so I can't help the OP select one. What I can say is that out of the dozen handguns I currently own, the vast majority are Sigs (220, 220 compact, 226, 229 and 228); but if u could choose one and only one for lonely nights on the road riding the Savage, I would suggest a Glock 19. Hands down the best overall handgun ever made. Not "great" in any particular category, but certainly "Good" in all categories. Easy to conceal, acceptable stopping power, lightweight, 15 rounds, quite accurate, goes bang every time, can take a lickin and keep on tickin. If there's one gun I will NEVER sell, it's my Glock 19. (And I LOVE my Sigs) But that's my opinion, your results may vary. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by old_rider on 09/03/13 at 05:45:33 16353B3B253A30255C0 wrote:
As far as Keltec being a POS, well mine had to have the ejector spring replaced on my 9mm 6 shot and it still doesn't like some kinds of ammo, i'm thinking of trading it in on a simple six shot revolver. |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Oldfeller on 09/03/13 at 17:06:42 http://www.pagunblog.com/2012/02/16/review-ruger-lcp-v-kel-tec-p3at/ There is no active proof of a relationship between Ruger and Kel tec that anyone can point to. Originally, this licensing arrangement was commonly affirmed by the gun press as general knowledge, but now no one can now find a record of it. For Ruger to shamelessly copy somebody else's weapon design to the point that laser sights and such just bolt up on their gun is ..... not something I would like to believe. Some theorize that Kel Tek didn't patent any of their items. This thought is rather pointless, because the anti-copying laws written for tennis shoes and handbags all still apply. Some say Kel Tek ripped off Grendel (George Kelgrin worked for Grendel as their gun designer before opening up Kel Tec CNC) and I owned a Grendel so I can tell you factually the P3AT is based upon the Kel Tec P32 and the P32 is much slimmer and neater than a .380 Grendel ever was. And the Grendel had a hideous coiled lawnmower spring that fired their hammer mass and it was wide and bulky and awkward -- the P32 was a completely better idea on many fronts (as well as being the smallest neatest strongest little pistol that existed at the time). The Ruger gun IS a direct copy of a Kel Tec, with minor alterations to adapt it to investment casting of the slide. Laser sights bolt up to both guns at the exact same locations/fastener sizes. Kel Tec is a totally personally owned company which does not have to give out any financial data, so folks who happen to own stock in Ruger have been asking for Ruger's side of any licensing arrangement to no avail. No exterior proof of an arrangement exists. If there isn't one, then fie on Ruger for ripping off the little guy's bread and butter. I would not wish this to be the case as I like both Ruger and Kel Tec George Kelgrin is a well known, very prolific and VERY talented gun designer -- Ruger likely paid him to design them a gun for them. If this was not the case, then some lawsuits would have happened by now, don't you think? |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Gyrobob on 09/03/13 at 18:00:54 I have a Grendel P10 and a Keltec PF-9. You can sure see some ancestry there, eh? I use the PF-9 as the pocket gun. All the time. It does have feeding probs with some ammo. I have found a particular load that it likes, though. It is not fun to shoot. Full load 9mm (not +P) really stings because the gun is so little. So, when I go to the range for proficiency sessions, my hand can feel it the next day. Hopefully, if I ever need it for social purposes, it will not be an extended shootout. ;) |
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Title: Re: Which Handgun? Post by Oldfeller on 09/04/13 at 07:09:28 Yup, the same man sat at the CAD screen and designed all three of them. The P32, P3AT are 3rd and 4th generation George Kelgrin designs that started when he was a very young puppy working for Grendel. The Grendel "clockwork design" on the trigger system was concepted by another man, but all of the detailed CAD design of the breech lockup and tilt barrel system came from Kelgrin and he shared the rights to his design work as a condition of doing it. You will note that he believes in a VERY STRONG pin guided breech lock up and he designs things that can be souped up considerably in a completely safe fashion. Many folks have played power up games with Kel Tec pistols over the years. Many folks have .32 Supers and .32 Automags. Yup, one set of boys necked down the .355 mouth on 380 acp brass to .312 to make a little mini-Super out of it. It makes about as much sense as a 32 Automag using 30 carbine brass and they both can do about the same things performance-wise. The P2AT loses some mass at the slide and barrel chamber areas and the .380 acp brass is very weak in the side walls -- trying to turn the gun into a super by necking it down in a rechambered P32 barrel using weak sided 380 acp brass then running the pressure up smelled kinda dangerous to me -- doing the same velocities in hell for strong .30 carbine brass (keeping more mass in the chamber walls and frame) and being able to use stock magazines that I already owned swung me over into Golden Loki and Mousemag's 32 Automag camp. Plus at one point in time there was a very nice detailed pictorial "how to" posted on the 32 Automag conversion, which was nice too. I have considered buying one of Kelgrin very high capacity 22 magnum pistols for my wife's house gun, but she simply says "No, my P11 is fine -- it is all the gun I will ever need". This is her standard belt/purse gun that she takes with her for walking the dog in the woods. She has only fired it into the dirt once, to discourage a german shepard from trying to eat her beagle boy. The shepard took the hint and ran off, he knew the next one was for him. The P11 is a good size for a little chunky 9mm, it carries enough rounds and it is big enough that your hand doesn't get too tired shooting it. I think the trigger pull is really long and tough, but for a self defense belly gun it isn't too bad. I like the P32 trigger pull a whole lot better, and the smaller flatter frame appeals to me a whole lot more for pocket carry. ============== Now, if Kelgrin sold him some design rights to Ruger, that's all hunky dory with me. If they ripped him, that is not OK at all with me at all. The fact I can't discover "which is the case" is bothersome as well. The fact that both Ruger and Kel Tec can both sell all that they can produce right now is great -- the gun is a really neat little piece. The P3AT (in both of its interations) is going to be one of the most popular little carry guns ever. It is a good match for recoil and gun size when shooting 380 acp ammo. A woman can handle this gun, and it is respectable enough for a man to carry. |
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