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Title: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer) Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/13 at 10:06:11 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLe3iIMN7k[/media] http://liliputing.com/2013/07/ubuntu-edge-canonical-wants-to-build-a-crowd-funded-linuxandroid-phone-needs-32-million-in-31-days-to-do-it.html Now, anybody want to take any bets that Shuttleworth only needs 15 million to do it and is overshooting some to maximize his funding? Also, what do you think the big phone guys like Verizon that just joined his advisory council are going to do if he even starts to look successful at raising enough money ???? They don't want to lose their dominance in this market place to their CUSTOMERS of all people, for crying out loud. $800 is cheap for a new PC ---- $800 is expensive for a new phone. Buying both for $800 is a fairly good deal, especially if they will last a long time before needing replacement. You are paying this level of money now to get 1-2 year old phone technology from your carrier now that everybody intends for you to replace yearly or so. Which one do you see this as being? Long lasting phone or a desktop replacement? Shuttleworth is talking to his fan boys -- YOU guys can pump the development process forward instead of waiting for some telecon to choose to do it (whenever). Steve Jobs was a visionary. So is this guy. Whatever new technology creeps out of this will be free to everybody, so no matter if it partially flops you'll be using the worthwhile IDEAS it envisions by the end of next year, from just about everybody. Hey Google guys -- why haven't YOU done this already? You have the two pieces you need but you keep dawdling around about doing it ... ============ Comments? How do you see this all transpiring? What will wind up happening at the end of the day ?? What would happen if the buy in amount dropped suddenly to $400? (not as nice a phone) What if the buy in dropped to $300? (a normal type phone) |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/13 at 19:29:45 Update at the end of 24 hours, 3.4 million and some change committed. >1/10th of the dollars in 1/30th of the days .... He needs to drop the amount some towards the end of the 30 days so the little guys can play some too, right now he's just asking the rich people to kick in some of their loose Hamptons golfing outing funds. If he's just trying to get the big telecom's attention, I think he may have already done that ..... I know he's given Ballmer a severe colonic spasm because Ballmer can just see all his future sales of PC operating systems turning into free OS cell phones right in front of his eyes ..... :o :P ;D Ballmer, that's gonna happen anyway -- you've just been living in willful denial for the last year or so. Why don't you just bluster some for us and issue a statement saying that you already invented that .... |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/22/13 at 21:50:14 Cyanogen Mod Nemesis, the new Ubuntu Edge, the Vivaldi KDE phones, the 3 new Firefox phones ...... my my such a plethora of truly new alternatives in the phone world. We gots us some real self propelling progress going on -- hey some folks are figuring out that the phone OS should do what YOU want it to do. The depth of REAL TALENT that has collected around Linux and Android worlds has suddenly looked around and realized that Microsoft isn't holding anybody back any more (they simply can't swing that trick any longer) and that Intel isn't really an obstacle any more. ARM is more that good enough, right now. Linaro as a real impartial standards body that simply cleans it all up and neat-a-fies it and puts all them Linaro kernel certified goodies into the kernel store and you then simply go pull whatever tricks off the shelf you think you need to make up your perfect cell phone (or small computer as the case may be). Nvidia and others have dropped all that proprietary dog in the manger stuff and have gone open source on their chip's guts and drivers. Firefox and Ubuntu have realized there is a LARGE SURPLUS of computing power out there in the new quad core to Octa core chipsets and that the screen resolutions out there right now are simply excessive to anybody's most imaginative needs. You can build your phone OS right now to be better. Cyanogen MOD has been improving on Android for years now, Firefox has been getting better and better as a near-OS and Ubuntu is getting jest plain ready to go DO it. Them visionaries are offering up significantly different and better visions and they can back them up with the needed amount of crowd dollars to make them happen. Ouya, that feels good !!! Google, start your engines -- your leadership position is now being modified (not challenged really, just fixed up some). Time for you to get crackin' on a innovative new Android that DOES something NEW !!! Apple is still ordering yet bigger and more densely pixelated displays (trying the same old tricks to out retina their Retina Displays). A Jobless Apple is going to start to lose relevance pretty soon if they don't get a grip on doing something real. Microsoft under Ballmer isn't really even a factor any more. The low cost drivers (Firefox and Ubuntu and Vivaldi) are going to revolutionize what the low end can do and make it far more attractive to normal people. That is going to jest kill Apple and Microsoft when a low end quad core phone makes their stuff look old fashioned and dull as well as grossly over-priced. I loves it, great times to be a computer person, yes they are. The Chinese Cheapie Guys are pursuing REAL INNOVATION now, Rockchip is open source now and ROCKCHIP (yes Rockchip) has given us Android multi-window support technology and all the skinny on RK 3188 source code just this past week ...... (yup, pink and blue dragon headed pigs were seen flying everywhere all over Asia for the last 2 weeks). The big telecoms are beginning to cooperate with the chip and phone and OS builders to bring new innovative products to market even faster. You can even trade up on your old phone inside one year now (change is happening too fast for anyone to want to miss the new fun for 2 whole years) :D |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by old_rider on 07/23/13 at 04:37:12 A dockable smart phone.....now that IS promising. Fastest processor + 128 gigs of storage/w 4gigs of ram, its a frikin' mini-computer. Now doc that with a 500gig mini solid state drive and a monitor and keyboard and you have yourself a nice system. Upload what you want for the day/week and dump it when you get home. This does sound good for future system, now if they would make a tv that will wirelessly act as a monitor THAT I would do. Right now I can wirelessly use it as a photoviewer but not as a wireless monitor. But maybe i'm just not doing it right. I can see coming home at the end of the day, docking your phone, turning on the tv, and searching the net and or surfing the channels and recording a certain program, then watching the program the next day at work on your phone, at break time of course! The day has come for my dream HOME system.... a 80" tv/computer/phone/video conference system that's all docked from your handheld device, and with the upcoming flexable led screens, could be a wrist or arm bracelet....hmmm |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/13 at 08:47:40 http://liliputing.com/2013/07/ubuntu-edge-smartphonepc-gets-new-cheaper-options.html Ubuntu Edge smartphone/PC gets new, cheaper options Ok, so they aren't really super much cheaper, but Shuttleworth is quickly refunding the difference to the early supporters that signed up at the larger amounts whenever he gets a price break from his builders. Why? He is honest about it, when they raised 4 plus million in the first two days the vendors began to talk back to him more seriously about production volumes and discounts -- and he realized the phone isn't going to cost $830 when the sign up actually goes up beyond the original crowd funding goals and gets up into the range of a normal product introduction volume for a far eastern telecom company. So, he says you can look for the figures to ooze downwards as the numbers pile upwards. Also, somebody is going to approach him with an offer eventually to bump up the specs on an existing production phone and suddenly there will be a "lower cost option" for you to consider. ;) Me, I don't think I really need the sapphire contact surface as I rarely ever carry my phone in the same pocket with my diamonds. The man is playing poker with a table full of telephone makers and telecom companies, the Verizons have to sign up to support and then eventually sell the phones and the root phone manufacturers have to sign up to build them up to where the Ubuntu spec sheets says you have to be. What all these people sitting around the poker table needed to see was that a market does exist for a 3-5 year longer lasting phone that is way way over spec to the current industry performance standards. Why only 5 years? First, it does have a battery in it, and in general things improve too too much in 5 years not to want a better phone/PC as by then they will have REALLY improved a whole whole lot. We shall see how the poker game evolves as Shuttleworth keeps his word and he does believe in out in the open discussion with his supporters. Hell, if you are an early supporter you get to read the development email flows back & forth by the development group itself. I think he will do it, and it might cost around $500-$600 by the time it is done. I think it will swing some real good specs by then as well. I also think it will be just about mainstream by then. The WOW 4 gig system memory chips just came out (announced) from 2 different vendors, so they will be common soon in all top end phones. Also, this sparks a change in the general expectations for a top end phone. Soon "Ubuntu spec" will be a minimum standard that any good phone will have -- and Ubuntu hook up hardware docks will be expected accessories as well. Oh Ballmer, woe is you -- you just now finally realized your Microsoft guys needs to be sitting at that poker table with a handful of your own phone/PC options. And right now you just took your company all to pieces to reorganize it. Plus, I don't think you actually got an invite to the poker game, now did you ? hee hee ;D Several of the players have fresh wounds on their faces from your phone and Surface debacles and they REALLY don't trust you to keep your word or to pay your gambling debts. Quick, Ballmer -- threaten to sue somebody .... or issue a vapor blast from your new butt valve that you have a phone/PC in the works right now too and that yours is going to be better (and only cost $1,850). |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/13 at 21:48:32 5.5 million raised in 3 days (if the current rate holds up he does the deal inside 13 days) The buzz is the price will keep dropping the bigger the commit numbers get to be, and as long as Shuttleworth instantly drops your pledge to the latest real number it does sorta give folks a nudge to go ahead and commit now as the numbers only get better automatically. Still, if his pledges hold up anywhere near this rate he's got him a deal. Expect marketing updates and vendor input discussions to add spice to the mix periodically, just to keep the buzz going. Also expect Shuttleworth to accidentally "out" some new phone components periodically that are actually in the works -- that sapphire touch surface is one that is out on the table now but the actual vendor hasn't announced it yet. Vendor needs to come out of the closet .... That special battery is out on the table too -- vendor needs to step up on that one too. Hey low light camera dudes, speak up !! Actually, by the time May of next year rolls around I bet you can buy a standard phone that can do all these tricks since people now know about them and want them all the good phones will have them in there. Great move, they don't want to build you a phone with enough specs, so, oops, now all the good phones will have to be built that way. Microsoft and Intel could do this -- but I shudder to see the price tag. ;) |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/24/13 at 22:17:01 Let's see if I got my math right. In one week Shuttleworth the visionary can talk us all into changing our cell phones so drastically that you won't need a computer any more (using YOUR money that you lined up to give him). Yup, that takes care of Bug #1 all right, obliterate the need for a Microsoft OS completely. Check Bug #1 off of all lists .... it is exterminated. The amount of money we are talking about is $30,000,000 which is 1/30th of the $900,000,000 write off amount of money Microsoft wrote off in ONE 3 MONTH QUARTER just past for doing a total Win 8 Surface cow flop. Microsoft could have done this 30 times already with that write off money, heck, by now it could have even been pretty much right even using Microsoft's old bumble and fix methods. Does this mean Shuttleworth is 30 times smarter than Ballmer? Apple, you should be listening and planning your new superphone right now to "make IOS take over the world" in the very early spring of next year. If you don't do this you too will go into the frog blender with the rest of the slow and unimaginative crew. By tearing Microsoft apart for a total reorg during this critical time period I think Ballmer just let a really big one out of his shorts, a BIG STINKY runny brown down the leg one he won't recover from personally, ever. His successors will make a x86 Microsoft phone that can do the same tricks, but I bet it will require one hell of a big expensive battery in that big arsed thick chunky monkey cell phone and I bet it costs a whole lot of $$ to build (but hey, you can always write off another $900,000,000 when it flops). Or else Windows will really have to be rewritten to really run well on ARM RISC processors ..... if so, so long Intel, who needs you? Chipzilla's days of $1000 per chip will be gone forever. :( |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by verslagen1 on 07/25/13 at 07:20:17 you probably already know this... http://news.yahoo.com/googles-chromecast-other-tv-devices-dont-175514986.html |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/25/13 at 07:51:20 Yep, I've been watching it to find out what limitations Google has to place on the thing to keep from getting into trouble. http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/cc_001.jpg http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/cc_07.jpg First words from a lot of places is that Google made it so simple it has no controls and NO LIMITS to what it can stream from the parent device or online source. So, if you have laptop, tablet or phone access to something you can beam it on up to the big screen. This includes your downloaded videos from torrents or from pirate bay that you had on your hard drive but couldn't see on a big screen before now. What is new is that you can poke around inside a web site to find the support directory trees and display that stuff as well. Literally anything you can find in any directory tree using a laptop, tablet or phone is up there. Of course you have to be running a Chrome Browser when you go do it, so yeah Google scratched their own itch with the little device. Chrome is going to be much more popular as a search engine. But folks are finding out all sorts of hidden search abilities inside their Chrome Browser, like this little trick, type in c: in the search bar and it displays all directories on your PC and when you click on something it will auto recognize ANY file extension (including Audio and Video types and run it and send it to the big screen. If you can find a directory structure somewhere, anything in it is fair game. People are posting the searches used to crack the directory trees of all sorts of sites. Google may have to cripple the device or the Chrome Browser itself some on the next auto-update because these little search tricks allow you to raw search inside the on line directories of places like Mooovie Plus and click and display whatever you can find inside their directory trees. My wife says she likes her Roku just fine and if she has to go that deep into some source to find something, then she would be being a pirate. So, I won't be buying one for her. (not yet, anyway) |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/26/13 at 18:43:19 Editorials on why you shouldn't buy into the Edge have begun to run on Windows fan sites and general computing publications. Seriously, the most compelling arguments that they make is that with your existing phone and an Android Tablet and a wireless keyboard you are "totally equipped" to do work anywhere and "anywhere" simply doesn't have a docking station/monitor just sitting there ready for you to plug your Edge into. This is a real and valid point. +1 for them The most specious arguments from the Microsoft fans are based on saying it would take an Intel I-3xx chipset to do what has been promised by Shuttleworth, that a Qualcomm 800 can't swing it and neither can a Samsung Octa type 2. This is a false argument based on a wrong "windows is the world" perspective. They totally fail to grasp the point that it would take an I-3xx chipset to do it for Win 7 or Win 8 BUT NOT FOR UBUNTU since it is much lighter and skinnier on the resource required front. And they willfully forget that the man making that promise MAKES the durn distro and he has been working on that particular LTS release for a while now on current phones and tablets and certainly knows if it will run well or not because he is running it on Tegra 3's right now. ============= A few pundits have actually written short articles driving a stake in the sand saying "Here begins the final chapter of the PC, it has been shrinking for a while, but this signals the start of the final decline." These guys point out that there are more TABLETS out there now than PC's in total, counting all of the PCs that are still running. And that tablets are still selling on an increasing scale while PC sales are sloping down radically. They don't even bother to count in the phones as there are a bijillion times more phones out there. =============== Will Shuttleworth build his Edge? Perhaps not --- but do you think that the general idea hasn't suddenly become something that R&D departments haven't been directed to check into? APPLE, Microsoft, Intel -- the Edge has cut deep into the popular thought patterns of their customers. Let me give you a clue as to what has changed from the FAR EAST perspective. Ubuntu was a desktop operating system that was put on old PCs and all the new boxes and the little stuff being built with ARM chipsets ran Android first and only. The orient LIKED Android, and didn't see Ubuntu as something they desired very much. Sorta outside their realm, in other words. Something for rich Europeans and Americans. Look what popped up in the last few days .... http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/mk802-iii-le.jpg Rikomagic UK to offer Minix Linux ARM PCs (MK802 III LE, MK802 IV LE) http://liliputing.com/2013/07/rikomagic-uk-to-offer-minix-linux-arm-pcs-mk802-iii-le-mk802-iv-le.html Rikomagic UK to offer Minix Linux ARM PCs (MK802 III LE, MK802 IV LE) It looks like it may be time to stop calling tiny ARM-based devices like the MK802 Android TV sticks and go back to calling them mini PCs. Rikomagic UK has announced it will start shipping Linux Editions of two of its most recent ARM-powered stick-sized computers. The MK802 III LE (Linux Edition) and MK802 IV LE will both run a custom version of Ubuntu called Picuntu, and they’ll be available from the Cloudsto store soon." Folks who buy these little non-optimal items will just see how well that Ubuntu runs on that small wee bitty hardware, then they can just imagine what it could do if it were hand tuned by the Shuttleworth and all his minions to exactly fit a particular current generation 2.3 ghz quad core superchip. With 4 gigs of system memory. And a 128 gig electronic hard drive for speed. I don't think the Edge would be slow .... quite the contrary. You know Shuttleworth has some prototypes that he has built -- you know he's been given Snapdragon 800 phones and Samsung Octa II pre-production phones to play with. Do you realize how little it would take to modify the I/O jacks of the current Samsung and Snapdragon 800 phones to do Shuttleworth's docking magic on a stock next gen Superphone? Especially this way way early in the design cycle of those super phones? Even if the Edge is never built, by next summer there will be a few docking stationed phones running the 14.04 LTS version of Ubuntu. Because they can, with no real increase in cost beyond a better I/O jack. Because it is a product differentiating selling point that allows the sale of a docking station accessory. Because most of China and the Far East has zero interest in making big box PCs because they don't use them at home. But they do make phones and they do have HDMI equipped TVs. What if Google took their $35 dongle and gave it a receptor so it recognized all wireless keyboards and mice and provided software on line so you could have your "PC" instantly in any hotel room or board room? (they already do that, you know) ;) Chrome Dongle is extension of Chrome Box is an extension of Google Play. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/26/13 at 21:35:11 okay, this is like talkin to a horse & buggy guy about the sr-71.. i so totally dont even get it,, but then, i dont even have a cell phone,, Hyaa! Giddyup!~ |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/13 at 03:34:12 Justin, I had cell phones all along that were "feature phones" -- basic things that allowed you to make a phone call. I worked with people with smart phones and I noticed them using them to go on the internet and all -- neat but not necessary to my way of thinking. Wife got a tablet and then we got current gen 5" Android 4.2 phones -- nice stuff there. My old white box has nothing on the phone, really. Functionality and speed are quite similar. I can talk in a post quicker than I can text it, which is really neat that my phone talks to me and listens to me. Plus mine is a darn fine GPS unit, plays movies, lets me play games ...... neat stuff that you can put in yer pocket. White boxes are no more -- go to Best Buy and they sell around 5 box types, period. Tons of laptops and tablets though -- and the store devotes more actual floor space to cell phones than to computers any more. Convergence It is Shuttleworth's term he invented just this past year. It means "exact same software platform on all devices" and Microsoft picked up on it and gave it a fudgy sort of try this past year. You can get "windows" on each sort of device but actually the phone and tablet versions are really completely different sorts of stuff that won't even run the same basic software packages. Apple is the same way -- their stuff is different per platform too. 14.04 Ubuntu will be the first convergent operating system -- it will run on PCs, tablets and phones -- same same OS and all the same software. This brought up the bright idea of "why not dock the phone or the tablet and have the full PC experience right off the portable device?" Why have to spend money on a box, a tablet and a phone? Brave new thoughts that you will see become actual in April, 2014. I think I agree with the stake in the sand pundits -- April, 2014 Ubuntu LTS (6 year supported versions are the Long Term Support versions) will see movement in business and with folk's personal hardware towards convergence. White boxes will become relatively unnecessary, monitors and keyboards will remain on your desk as always. You might like Mac, but you will want convergence. Mac can give it to you if you want it enough to PAY a bunch to get it. You may like Windows, you are shite out of luck for convergence there because they totally flopped on 2 of the 3 parts of it already. With 6 million units sitting in warehouses that will not sell Microsoft isn't going anywhere without rewriting their software COMPLETELY to be truly convergent. They can't figure out how to do that with their old stuff -- and folks don't want the mish-mash of incompatible differences any more. Ubuntu Shuttleworth is going to give you convergence and open-ness and it won't even cost you a lot of extra money if you buy your next smart phone carefully off the selected ones from the top of the heap that have the Ubuntu docking station accessory built for them. OS and software is free, all of it. And Ubuntu works arguably better than MS products in that you don't have to defend yourself from virus and trojan attacks all the time. And you never have to defrag your hard drive using Linux, ever. ================= Microsoft Microsoft has got to give up on being stupid and autocratic if they want to sell anything going into the future -- they have 6 MILLION unsold Surface tablets that they just paid $900,000,000 to partially depreciate because they had to cut the price by 1/3 (and still nobody is buying them as being "Built by Microsoft" a key feature of the hardware is you can't swap out the operating system). Can Microsoft re-create both their business and their current worldwide image as an autocratic school bully? They spent 40 years creating their distinctive corporate culture, me, I don't think they are going to turn that around on a dime. No one would trust them or believe them if they said they had become "open and cooperative". Too many of the existing players in open source hate their guts (with fairly substantive reasons). Too many of their old business partners carry visible scars from having "partnered" with them. Ballmer is still there -- nothing has changed -- nothing real, nothing basic. ;) Trying to put on a sheepskin isn't going to fool anybody, Mr. Wolf. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/13 at 04:11:53 And Ubuntu works arguably better than MS products in that you don't have to defend yourself from virus and trojan attacks all the time. Why not? And you never have to defrag your hard drive using Linux, ever. &, once again,, Howcum? Ive heard of ubuntu. I had a disk I could put in & it created like ( IIRC the words of the guy who gave it to me) it created some kinda fake hard drive. He said I could go nywhere & never get a virus, cuz MY Hard drive wasnt where stuff was going. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/13 at 06:12:23 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/13 at 08:45:24 Thanks,, I had no idea,, & the part that I enjoyed most was the part about Ya dont write nasties,, these people will hunt you down,, I better defrag mine,, been a cou[pla years,,it sure gets cranky, I hafta reboot,, |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/13 at 12:03:07 My linux box has required one (1) reboot because a game locked up. I've been running Mint on that machine since what, May 2010 and I can count the times I've actually had a lock up of Mint on my left pinky finger. During this time I have had to fix my wife's three laptops (four now, I forgot the one I refurbed for my own use at work) multiple multiple multiple times each. She gets something, screws up a machine, goes to the next one and inside a week she's got whatever it is crapping up that one. She has to bring the sick ones home before she carries out the final spare -- this gives me a night or so to fix one before the one she is using craps up. Universities and students catch every viral germ that exists and they give to the teach right along with their papers and presentations when they turn them in electronically. I've got 1 XP, 1 Vista and 2 Win7 machines. The very oldest is the white box, a HP Pavilion desktop that was bought back when XP was pre-service patch and it was built using the very first 1ghz AMD 64 bit Athlon chipset that ever came out. It was put in a closet finally because the CD and hard drives quit working right ...... the issue was really MicroChoke getting twisted up by a root kit because the same drives all work fine now running on Linux. It amuses me because windows diagnostic programs from MS and from the drive vendor all said the hard drive was toast .... unrecoverable file errors, surface damage, bad heads. Linux said, go there do that -- and it did. Linux saw bad sector, blanked it out. The bad head was apparently still able to read and write, so it does. Like I said, my oldest machine runs Linux Mint 9 like a scalded dawg and it has ZERO issues doing it. And, to my amusement Linux Mint 9 is over a year past its support ending and guess what, it still works fine. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/27/13 at 12:20:41 So, if im running Windows, how do I change over? Is there anything I lose? I see lots of gains,, |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/13 at 12:47:09 Folks have been tracking the day to day donations graphically looking for trends and trying to be able to predict the end game. The graphs are not encouraging right now. Right now things are just about flat lining and the buzz has died down a whole lot, so folks are now predicting a failure to reach the 31 day 32 million dollar goal. Shuttleworth can rebuzz it up some by releasing some details or showing some Youtube of prototypes in action or doing interviews with supporting phone companies --- or he can let it die as it lies, to be resurrected magically when one of his phone makers comes through with the dock and the I/O socket (he has been using a box standard USB 3.0 socket so obviously he could do that in production as well because that is what most all phones use). Here is a quote from an anti-Linux anti-Edge publication, please note they are very careful not to bang the convergence idea per se, just the current technology front it is pushing up against. "The Ubuntu Edge, as perhaps the name suggests, is a bleeding-edge device for people who want to be first in line to experience the consolidated, carry-your-desktop-with-you future. In that regard, it’s a very exciting device indeed. Even if it does fail miserably, it lays the groundwork for an exciting new breed of converging post-PC devices — and, ironically enough, we’d finally have a Linux desktop that’s capable of gaining significant market share." They said something in that last sentence though -- they fully expect somebody to do something "convergent" and Edge like very soon and they do expect it will work well enough to "gain significant market share". And this is from the enemy camp. This is not a fan boy. This is a guy who actually dissed the deal as it is written, but he didn't diss the idea or the technology behind it because he KNOWS a Snapdragon 800 swinging the new 4 gig fast memory chip and one of the new SSD chips would fill the bill very nicely. Me, I think 32-64 gig of SSD drive is a gracious plenty personally. None of my linux partitions are that nearly that big for any of the 5 versions that have been put on my old white box's hard drive. 20 gig is typical for a full bore linux distro partion set, you see Linux doesn't take up a great deal of space, really. Phones currently give you 16 to 32 gigs of hard SSD memory right now, so a workable range exists now without going all the way to the top. Most phones have a memory card slot too, and those can go way up now, past 100 gig. Use the memory card slot to store your fixed data like old pictures, movies, presentations, etc. Or use cloud storage for the static dead stuff, it's is pretty much free for the first 5-15 gig. I think your dock station also gives you the ability to plug in more USB devices, so put you a portable hard drive off the dock for archiving the stuff you don't need this year. And as I have said, since I don't carry my diamonds in the same pocket as my phone, so I don't need that Sapphire touch surface either. That's just some expensive glitz to me. The phone is currently developed and demo'd using Nexus 4 and LG phones that really don't have killing huge specs. It works, but it isn't kickass by any means. It works at a mundane rate, like most of our personal machines do. Shuttleworth wants them totally modern upper end specs because he WANTS the experience to be eye popping ass kicking fast, faster than anything on mobile -- just as fast as Android is currently on the same device as a matter of fact. He really wants to get up into the fast PC zone .... and by golly he can cheat some with the OS to do just that, now can't he? (he's using the same android drivers btw, so he knows his stuff will work just fine and at least as fast as Android runs on the same device). So, it's time to deal another new hand in this here poker game, Mr. Shuttleworth. Ask for a few new cards, or you can chicken out now and fold what you got right now after only a week of fairly great success. You got your idea out there and people want it. Me, I think we will see us another round of bumping and betting starting next week, this here boy's poker night out is way way too young for everybody to go home jest now. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/27/13 at 18:16:56 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
Justin, you get somebody local to help you set up a dual boot arrangement. A local college Computer Science Department or a good public library system has a Linux hacking group that meets weekly/monthly and they have regular "upgrade parties" where you bring in your box and they talk to you while they fix you up with a dual boot arrangement. Or if you pick your distro you can go on line and ask somebody who lives in the same town to come by and help you -- just like we do with Savage newbies who need hands on help. Or, if you are a do it your-selfer enough to adjust your own valves, wait until April of next year and go to Barnes and Noble and buy a "UBUNTU 14.04 LTS INSTALLATION AND USE" magazine with the DVD inside the magazine cover. It will step by step you very carefully through the processes. Or if you are a cheapskate (yeah !!) you can get the same sort of step by step guide on line, but it will require a machine to watch the screen while you work on yours. Dual boot is what you want -- I still have XP on my machine in case I ever needed anything off the old softwares that are still on my machine. It is a great confidence builder to know you can "go back" just by restarting the machine and choosing XP from the boot menu. Then you catch yourself picking Linux more and more and XP less and less until you realize you haven't gone to Windows for YEARS now and wow, it is dog terd slow and why does everything need to be updated and scanned and defragged and all that garbage before I can even get the machine to finish booting up to do something ??? (windows really does sux, you just don't really know how bad yet) ::) If you are nice to your upgrade buddy he can set up your browser, etc. Every browser but MS exists on Linux, so you can get whatever you use now. Firefox is my favorite and it is simply Firefox when you use it on Linux. You can import all your existing favorites and bookmarks if the person is any good at all (and most Linux advocates are really much better at it than I am, me, I just fiddle and search and ask on line until I get it right). |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/13 at 07:32:14 Im defragging now,, less than 40%, been at it about an hour, it was Scattered,, Took close to 2 hrs I guess,, done now tho! & I dont hear it hunting now,, much quieter |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Doug on 07/28/13 at 08:27:34 Interesting. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/13 at 08:42:01 If you havent defragged, you need to at least have the software analyze your drive & See if it needs it., |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/13 at 08:45:34 ;D hee hee its a windows machine, it ALWAYS needs to be defragged. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/13 at 08:48:01 I think it really needs to BE "fragged".. in a military slang kinda way |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 07/28/13 at 09:24:56 Ok, it has been one week, seven days since the item hit and the collection of the money started. In the first 3 days they collected nearly 5.8 million dollars and ran through the $600 phones. In the next 4 days they only collected an additional 2 million dollars at the higher price points. Donations are a pretty straight shallow line past 3 days and each time a new price rise comes into play the donation line gets a little flatter. At a half million dollars a day (current rate) they will never make it to 32 million in the 31 days they have allocated for themselves. ================= Where is all of the open discussion of the features with the vendors, where are the offers and the counter offers? I thought this was going to be an open discussion, or does that discussion only even start if the 32 million is committed by all the supporting people? Shuttleworth needs to have a discussion with the 2-3 phone vendors that are going to be using the Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 in some fairly upper end phones with the new 3 or 4 gigabyte memory cards and the relatively larger capacity SSDs. Identify the very few things that need to be fixed or changed so the standard offering phone can be convergent. Get a price for 10,000 of those modified phones. Cook a deal with Verizon and that phone vendor that if someone presents an Ubuntu phone to Verizon they will set it up on their network. Call it Ubuntu Edge Beta build 2.0 or something that denotes it is still a work in progress. Or do exactly what you did with the Nexus 4 and LG phones, except spec phones with better hardware this time. Let the fan boys buy phones and then walk them through the adaptations that are needed. Your idea is sound, even your opposition finds no real flaws in it (except network cafes aren't going to have empty docking stations sitting around). Your Indegogo campaign was too ritzy and the costs couldn't be collected in the time you gave yourself. You determined your optimum price point was $600 early on but you then put a rising price point that got more expensive as things went on which has choked off your donations at this point in time. You could fix these Indegogo fundraising errors, or take a completely different path using more standard looking phones that are already close to what you want. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/13 at 09:56:36 You really otta contact the company. maybe ask who their PR company is. I knew mechanic who went to the White Superior manufacturing plant & showed them how to redesign a part that was a regular problem,, Solved it for them. All they paid him was his transportation & hotel & food costs,, didnt give him hoot for the savings.. or the intangible benefit of the increased dependability,, but, he wouloda done it again I think.. |
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Title: Re: Visionary speaks: Unbuntu Edge (phone/computer Post by Oldfeller on 08/04/13 at 17:57:46 Well, folks are beginning to be talking about this Edge effort in the past tense now ..... Half way there in time, only 1/4 of the way in dollars .... stick a fork in it, it's done. ================ What did the Edge campaign really do? Folks are now talking and thinking about CONVERGENCE as the core idea, same operating system same files on all devices and they are spinning it net-based a la Chrome and Drop Box and such for holding all your data. They also note that Acer and HP and Dell have all uncorked 21" to 24" vertical display touch screen Android devices in the last month. Some are monitor-like, some get flat or get propped with a stand. All have a battery to keep content alive during transport. Such could be the "desktop" part of an Android convergence with your phone or tablet being your #2 device. http://liliputing.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/chuwi-v88-multi.jpg RockChip is selling large screen tablets in the orient using their custom cooked "windowing" multi-screening type Android system. They are being used as desktops by the oriental users, sometimes sent through a cable to the family TV. Rockchip's stuff allows up to 8 open windows and the resizing of the content seems to work pretty much 100%. Google has done Chromecast now -- and that is still shaking up the television industry pretty good as it is a right scary to the Comcasts and Time Warners of the world. My phone company has suddenly dropped having to have a land line phone to get high speed internet for $29.99 .... Time Warner cut $10 off our monthly bill to keep us from jumping ship completely ..... because they KNOW we can do it now. Chromecast as a device to enable convergence is already here, but there is no OS that drives towards that goal yet. Google has been being asked when they are going to merge Chrome OS and Android as they have promised repeatedly that they are going to do "sometime". Folks who watch Google internally note that internal email traffic about mouse/keyboard/touch with multiple users and multiple windows has increased of late. Sometimes you sense a perfect storm event is coming .... ARM chipsets have the horsepower now to do a desktop. Chip supply is finally good enough to support all the phones, tablets, etc. etc. Demand for phones is tapering, tablets are still increasing but not at the terrible peakish rate it was going at. Microsoft is sidelined right now, Apple is quiet and Intel is still pushing vapor, mostly. The Linux kernel is completely intergrated with Android (and the Android pieces are joining into all the mainline distros as by and large they are quicker and less processor intensive). ARM and Linaro have pushed all the final bits and pieces of 64 bits into the kernel and the driver libraries. They are refining things and fixing bugs as they crop up. (yep, the Samsung octa-core deal was both a bug and a needed refinement, both were done inside 6 months). Linux and Android are practically speaking unified as even the finger control systems in Linux for tap & screen manipulation are the Android based systems now. Convergence is actually occurring naturally, with nobody at the wheel really directing it. Convergence and Android -- Google, are you listening? |
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