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Message started by Smokestack on 07/20/13 at 18:11:09

Title: I think I have a problem....
Post by Smokestack on 07/20/13 at 18:11:09

I just realized, after several hours looking at bikes online today(while my son was napping) that there isn't a single production motorcycle made right now that I would leave in factory trim. Granted, I haven't seen them all but nothing I've seen in recent months from any manufacturer scratches my itch.  I think I might have a problem...

Anyone else underwhelmed by the current product lines, or is it just me?

Edit: regardless of what style you dig, of course.  A close friend of mine is currently lamenting the state of the Enduro market right now, and has said that his KLR 650 is equal to or better than any other enduro out right now, and its pretty old...

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/20/13 at 18:56:15

http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/images/8563187+w195/0107_bonnie_w6502_zoom+2001_kawasaki_w650+side_view.jpg


really? not good enuff,,, waddya WANT, mayunn?

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by Charon on 07/20/13 at 19:06:24

The bobber guys take stuff off to get rid of all that "excess crap" the factories install. Others add stuff from cup holders to incredible amounts of chrome. Almost no one seems to think factories put decent tires on anything, no matter the make of the bike or of the tires. There are lots of makers of aftermarket pipes, all claiming more power and lighter weight "for off-road use only." For carburetors there are jet kits; for fuel injected ones there are electronic magic boxes to "correct the horribly lean mixtures forced on makers by the EPA." The list goes on, and makes accessory catalogs pretty bulky. For the widest variety of over-the-counter farkles, visit your local Harley dealer. For beginner bikes, you may well have to make do yourself. Have fun. Hope you have a good line of credit or a machine shop.

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by WD on 07/20/13 at 19:45:12

The last one I would have left stock got killed off a couple years ago. Harley Davidson Heritage Springer with dealer installed retro saddlebags and seat.

Current crop of metrics? Boring... $800+ to switch a Yamaha Bolt from ugly cast wheels to proper spoked wheels...

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by Serowbot on 07/20/13 at 21:07:20


674C45564B4A240 wrote:
The bobber guys take stuff off to get rid of all that "excess crap" the factories install. Others add stuff from cup holders to incredible amounts of chrome.

That's funny,... I did both...
Chrome don't weigh much... :-/...

As far as "stock" goes,... I can't leave my shoes stock... :-?...

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by ToesNose on 07/21/13 at 02:34:49

I could definitely live with a C5 bone stock   :D


Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by Charon on 07/21/13 at 05:03:48

Many years ago a co-worker told me the Harley mystique. When you buy a new Harley, you have to "make it your own" by customizing it. When you buy an old Harley, you must "restore it to original condition." It made me think of C. Northcote Parkinson's adage "Bureaucrats make work for each other."

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by WD on 07/21/13 at 07:56:35

Restore? That takes all the fun out of riding it. Perfect paint, giant fenders, unwieldy 5.00-16 tires on each end... The "dork-mobile" "buddy" seat... Wallowing around corners like you are strapped to a pregnant drunken elephant on greased ice...

There is a perfect 65 Panhead at our local dealership. My friend Doug wants to toss in a battery and ride it as built. Me? I'd pull the engine, sell the rest to get my hands on a rigid frame and a springer with a 21" spool wheel. I'll take handling over "aesthetics" any time, especially the aesthetics of stone stock Duo-Glides, the worst looking bikes HD ever saddled the buying public with.

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by apache snow on 07/21/13 at 10:14:37

1965 was the first year for the electro glide and I would love to have a stock 1965 Harley. The last year for the pan head and the first year for electric start. It would be sacrilegious to chop one up ::).

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by ToesNose on 07/21/13 at 10:15:44

Yea the Duo-Glides had that corny looking seat set up didn't they?

(looks it up on Google images to double check)

Yupper, and the shocks look awkward mounted too far forward too LOL. ;D

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/13 at 11:10:13

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e331/toad611/000_0386.jpg


no springer,, but,, its a start, wd

what would ya guess that to weigh? what kinda hp would be expected if its stock?

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by WD on 07/21/13 at 11:18:00

Stock...
http://www.paughco.com/2008-catalog/indivpages/Images/1965_Harley-Davidson_Panhead.jpg

Ridable...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UvMoeG5HTl4/T4OWcdf9GgI/AAAAAAAAMk8/CBZH6Uvjens/s1600/1203-stcp-01-o+1955-harley-davidson-panhead+.jpg

The rigid is 55 based, but, other than some minor oiling and rocker arm specs, same engine.

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/13 at 11:23:26

I really like that front end. drum brakes allow for a cleaner handlebar setup, but those are virtually naked,, where are the switches & wires?

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by WD on 07/21/13 at 11:31:26

Kick only, wires are in the frame most likely, micro switch for brake light under brake pedal... What else does it need? A couple toggles for power on power off and headlight brightness...

Find them on the stock version...
http://www.paughco.com/2008-catalog/indivpages/Images/1955_Harley-Davidson_Panhead.jpg

::)

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by WD on 07/21/13 at 11:33:06

As much as I dislike juice front forks, I'd ride a HydraGlide...

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/13 at 12:51:39

http://www.yesterdays.nl/images/Harley%20davidson%201956%20Hydraglide-1.jpg


why are they called Hydra Glide?

those forks make it look like turning the bars would just be hard,,they just look heavy

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by apache snow on 07/21/13 at 13:07:41

1947 and earlier Harley motorcycles used the springer front forks.
In 1949, a year after receiving the "Panhead" engine, the FL was given a new front suspension and a model name to go along with it. In honor of their first production motorcycle with hydraulically damped telescopic forks, the FL was officially called the Hydra-Glide. This name would change twice in the history of the basic large-framed FL bikes, each time signalling an improvement in the bike's technology. In addition, the Glide ending would be used on other models, based on both and FL and FX formats.

In 1952, the Hydra-Glide's transmission standard hand-shift/foot-clutch was joined by the optional foot-shift/hand-clutch. Although the original format continued to be offered as an option until 1978.[2] 1952 was also the last year of the 61 cu in (1,000 cc) EL, making the FL the last remaining large-frame model.

The FL model was given a new frame in 1958. This frame included a rear swingarm suspended by a pair of coil-over-shock suspension units. In honor of this fully suspended chassis, the FL's model name was changed from Hydra-Glide to Duo-Glide.

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/13 at 15:32:44

Well,, Thank you for that blast of history & info,,Ive heard these names & never had a clue as to how they came to be & what they really meant,.,

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by WD on 07/21/13 at 16:18:50

Really mean?

Springer = comfort, handling and no brake dive

HydraGlide = put a mushy front end on an otherwise just fine platform

DuoGlide = engine donor

;)

Drives our friend Doug bonkers, he even wants to fully restore my hunk of scrap iron Honda CL72... because it is "old and rare now"... Of course, he thinks the Geezer Glides with 3 rear bumpers and a couple hundred extra lights are cool too...  :-X

Different strokes for different folks, you can finally buy a wide 21" front wheel for FLs that works with the factory fender. Keep the coverage, but add improved handling.

http://m.hdforums.com/forum/signaturepics/sigpic184567_1.gif

I know it's a softail, exposed shock frames are hideous...

Title: Re: I think I have a problem....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/21/13 at 16:27:37

DuoGlide = engine donor


Thats just funny,,  ;D ;D

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