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Title: Montana started, I hope the other states follow Post by Midnightrider on 07/12/13 at 22:59:50 If You Don't Want the Government to Spy on You, Move to Montana - Alexander Abad-Santos - The Atlantic Wire Inbox x to http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/07/if-you-dont-want-government-spy-you-move-montana/66962/ Alexander Abad-Santos 5,792 Views Jul 9, 2013 Privacy advocates, behold the Montana legislature and House Bill 603, a measure that requires the government to obtain a probable cause warrant before spying on you through your cell phone or laptop. HB 603 was signed into law this past spring, effectively making Montana the first state to have an anti-spy law long before anyone heard of Edward Snowden. To be clear, HB 603 passed the state Senate overwhelmingly by a vote of 96-4 in April and was signed into law on May 6. That's almost one month to the day when we first found out about the NSA's secret order to collect phone records from Verizon, which has since ballooned into a world-wide scandal and chase. "The NSA reports hadn’t even come out at that time," said one of the law's supporters to the news website The Daily Interlake. That we didn't find out about the extensive NSA spying and Edward Snowden until June, is probably the reason HB 603 passed without much fanfare in the spring. At the time, the law might have seemed extraneous, or even paranoid. But knowing what we know now, the law seems prophetic (not unlike the way Shia LaBeouf warned us about spying back in 2008) and is getting some new-found attention. The law is pretty straightforward—the government can't spy on Montanans through their electronic devices unless they obtain a warrant: And "electronic device" is meant to encompass laptops, cell phones and tablets: That effectively makes Montana the first state in the country's history to pass an electronic privacy law that protects you from the government. The bill's sponsor, Rep. Daniel Zolnikov, and Montana's lawmakers outpaced all the states in the country when it comes to privacy—Texas signed an email privacy bill into law last month, and Massachusetts and a handful of other states are considering their own privacy laws when it comes to electronic surveillance and wiretapping. "The younger Democrats and Republicans were the ones really for the bill. The older legislators in Helena didn’t say much for or against it," Zolnikov told the Daily Interlake. Zolnikov actually wanted a harsher bill that would have limited federal authority. "This is very small compared to what we want to accomplish," he ad |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/13/13 at 08:56:58 No speed limit, no sales tax, no gun restrictions, and only 800,000 people in an area bigger than california. BTW Dynojet is made there. I think. Never mind, they got an office there - no doubt a test lab - Belgrade, Montana Physical Address Dynojet Research, Inc. 200 Arden Drive Belgrade, Montana 59714 They also have nearly no laws for trucks and trailers. Triples - like the road train in australia. Drove through it in 2010 twice a week apart. 12-14 hours across, and seriously, gun laws are definitely needed for this place ... I really wanted to kill myself 1/2 way through ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by Midnightrider on 07/13/13 at 14:54:48 Sri this is a privacy law, nothing about guns. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 15:42:41 IDK how we can ever be assured they arent doing what theyve been doing, but Id like to see it illegal,, again, its BEEN illegal,, Id like to see jail time for a bunch of people involved. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/13/13 at 15:50:34 7E5A575D5A545B47415A575641330 wrote:
Montana has the 49th population density of all the states in the nation - alaska is 50th. There is a reason for that ... well 2 ... 1. People that live in montana, dont like other people. 2. People in montana dont like any laws of any kind. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by Midnightrider on 07/13/13 at 16:23:58 I don't think anyone in any state wants there email or phone calls monitored. I certainly don't. It was illegal until Bush signed the Patriot Act. What a name, its anything but that. Sri this isn't about Montana , its about the 1rst amendment, freedom of speech and the right to email and talk to my friends without being spied on. Its about the right to express my opinions on this forum without being put on a terrorist list. The government has built a huge computer complex to monitor all emails and phone conversations. I get it, you don't like Montana but take Montana out of the equation. I wish more states would chip in and go against the tyrannical Federal Goverments bullsh!t. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/13/13 at 17:26:02 7C7D66616E7B670F0 wrote:
Montana has the 49th population density of all the states in the nation - alaska is 50th. There is a reason for that ... well 2 ... 1. People that live in montana, dont like other people. 2. People in montana dont like any laws of any kind. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Thank YOU! I havent had that good of a laff at Straight UP Dumb in a long time,, youll stoop to ANYTHING to apologize for an intrusive government, |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/15/13 at 06:42:25 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
Montana has the 49th population density of all the states in the nation - alaska is 50th. There is a reason for that ... well 2 ... 1. People that live in montana, dont like other people. 2. People in montana dont like any laws of any kind. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Thank YOU! I havent had that good of a laff at Straight UP Dumb in a long time,, youll stoop to ANYTHING to apologize for an intrusive government, [/quote] Obviously you've never been to montana. I'll take someone listening to me over living in montana anyday. ;D Obviously that's a joke - Montana is a state where the rest of the laws of the world dont apply. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by Midnightrider on 07/15/13 at 12:38:27 I'm glad the email and listening laws are illegal in Montana, now if the other states would just follow. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/15/13 at 13:11:58 10343933343A35292F3439382F5D0 wrote:
Yea Email reading and listening were all done by ... Bush. Sorry Cheney, Rumsfield Haliburton etc etc ... there is no evidence that Bush actually read anything. So, Montana which Voted for Bush by nearly 20 points twice, and even voted RMoney by 14. They went for McCain by only 3 points, the closest in the last 20 years ... In Classic TEA bagger style, they blame Obama for what Bush did, and Ban things that have not been done in 5 years ... You do know phone calls and emails are not being read by the current NSA right ? That was all done by warrantless wiretapping under Bush. Currently, NSA is only pulling call records. Needless to say, Montana much like SC finds a way to lock the horse after the barn has bolted ... and are saying we need to burn the horse down cos it is its fault. Seriously, if you ever been to Montana you'd understand. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/15/13 at 17:21:24 So, Montana which Voted for Bush by nearly 20 points twice, and even voted RMoney by 14. They went for McCain by only 3 points, the closest in the last 20 years ... In Classic TEA bagger style, they blame Obama for what Bush did, and Ban things that have not been done in 5 years .. I Thot Snowden just said otherwise,, &, there is that huge installation in utah now. I dont elieve for a second they arent recording everything, including this. Its what tyrants DO. Did it Start under Bush 2 or Bush 1? IDK, I dont even CARE, All I care about is, it was done & its still done & laws wont stop it. The fed isnt run by people we elect. Decisuions are made by an unelected bunch of globalists who change faces & names when the lecteds go from D to R, but the agenda REMAINS the same |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/15/13 at 18:02:22 554A4C4B5651605060584A460D3F0 wrote:
Snowden said nothing of the sort. The NSA is pulling data about calls - you remember those old phone bills that no one looks @ anymore ... that is what the NSA has. And that after the fact, in some cases months and months after ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/13 at 02:02:54 where would I look to see that? |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by Pine on 07/16/13 at 06:15:49 NPR - you know the folks the republicans were trying to shut down... http://www.npr.org/2013/06/10/190160772/amid-data-controversy-nsa-builds-its-biggest-data-farm I could certainly live a state like Montana.. if it weren't soooooo cold in winter. hehehe Sri... yeah the folks in Chicagy gots all the love for people.. that's why they kill so many .... what they need is MORE laws! then they would love each other more! Oh wait... but Detriot.. nows theres a civilized city for you!!! So much love there... There’s another Halloween related twist in Chicago though – the day BEFORE Halloween, October 30th, is traditionally known as “Devil’s Night” in this region of the United States, chiefly because of the serious acts of vandalism and arson that arose in Detroit, Michigan from the 70s to the 90s because some juvenile delinquents took the “trick” part of Halloween far too seriously. From: http://www.examiner.com/article/devil-s-night-the-land-of-lincoln |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/16/13 at 07:17:52 Detroit is a dead city. Its a city 7X the size of NYC in area, and 1/15th the population. Its time to raze down several complete neighborhoods and get them back to nature by letting them go back to forest. Chicago is a city with a strict gun law in city limits, while 3 miles out of town is the biggest gun store in the midwest which has sold 25% of all criminal weapons seized in the last 10 years. Duh ... roads work, and 3 miles, you could get there on a bicycle. Oddly enough, no one brings up any other city ... huh. Only these 2 ... One needs to be turned into a forest, the other needs to either be brought to the same law as the surrounding or the surrounding needs to be brought to its ... but then 100 miles away .... 200 ... 1000 miles away someone will buy in TX by the trunk ful and bring to Chicago. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/16/13 at 07:59:22 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
Where would you look to see what ? That NSA has only been collecting metadata in the current few years ? That Bush did complete warrantless wiretapping and email combing ? Google them ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/13 at 09:21:10 Well,, Ive read the stuff about NSA ONLY collecting metadata, But didnt Snowden claim they were doing more? As for Bush, yea, absolute illegal stuff, how do I know it stopped? Google doesnt know everything, I hope Snowden isnt finished talking,, |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/16/13 at 11:43:33 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
NSA collecting metadata, and after the fact, they did it for 3-4 month stretches and it was about 2 months ago - something like that was the arithmetic ... that was what he published in the 2 papers he sent that stuff to. Snowden isn't done talking ... he's now making up stuff ... or the ruskies are saying snowden is saying this or that. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/16/13 at 22:38:30 he's now making up stuff . YOure amazing,, you know when he is telling the truth? Whats even more amazing is, you believe your own crap. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/17/13 at 06:23:10 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
I am not, but you are ... You know what he's saying is true ? or even if he's saying it ? The Russians get to tell us what he's telling them. So that is your standard now for what is the truth. Whatever russians tell us ? that's the truth just as long as they say "Snowden Says" ? Must be true, it even sounds like "Simon says". Anyway what snowden released was that the NSA collected phone call data in the 3-4 months leading up to and a little bit after the marathon bombings, and they pulled that data from the phone company about 2 months after the bombings. You dont think those phone calls are still happening so they can "listen" do you ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/13 at 08:32:55 Ill tell ya what I think,., Every call made is routed thru an NSA owned room & computers scan for certtain words, if you say things it all gets recorded. Of course, theres Utah, that just came online, uses something like 65 KW, just snooping,, Everything we do is monitored, hell, the dishwaser can spy on you if its an energy star |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/17/13 at 09:09:54 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
I know ... but my diswasher is OK, its an Energy Starlifter ... However I have never trusted the toaster oven. Once in a while I'll come to the kitchen in the morning and find it open. Never trusted that bugger. I'm sure he's spying on me and trying to deport me. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/17/13 at 11:10:04 http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/03/petraeus-tv-remote/ |
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Title: Re: Montana started, I hope the other states follo Post by srinath on 07/17/13 at 12:36:57 342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:
You're wired ? Ha ha ... Cool. Srinath. |
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