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Message started by sSavage81 on 07/09/13 at 18:10:31

Title: Cam Question
Post by sSavage81 on 07/09/13 at 18:10:31

I am looking at purchasing another savage and I am not very familiar with pricing and repairs as far as the Cam goes. Here is what the description of the ad is..

"1998 Suzuki Savage 650 has a broken piece on the cam will not start, because timing jumped other than that the bike is clean..."

What would I be looking at as far as repair costs...? Does this mean the motor needs replaced?

Thanks for all help way in advance!

sSavage

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by Serowbot on 07/09/13 at 18:13:35

That's vague,.. but it probably needs a new head,... maybe more...

Walk away... :-?...

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by sSavage81 on 07/09/13 at 18:18:13

What would you recommend paying for a bike that needed these repairs?? Thanks BTW!

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by verslagen1 on 07/09/13 at 18:23:54

$300 or so... but I could be talked into more to take it. ;D

you should figure on the engine as scrap.

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by sSavage81 on 07/09/13 at 18:38:34

Thank you!

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/13 at 18:52:37

98 model? Id pay what he could get rollin it across the scales & not a dime more, cuz theres a good chance thats what youll do if ya buy it..

BUT, if youre up for a challenge, & wanna mess around with a bike more than ride one,, then take it home, drag out the tools & walk off into it.

but, look at retail value of a 98,, no matter how it works out, youll always have at least a 15 y/o bike,, its only gonna be worth just above nothing, but, YOU mite have a ride for dang few bucks & get very familiar with these bikes while ya do it..

do you have tools?
place to work?
time?
do you wanna piddle or ride?
youre the only one who can decide, but, imo, its an odds on, across the scales, load, & you should be pleased the guy was so hnest.

how does he know the cam is junk?
mite pop the valve covers & have a look,,

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by Steve H on 07/09/13 at 19:04:34

If it really jumped time, the chain had to get really loose. Maybe the tensioner came apart, as they are known to do.

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by sSavage81 on 07/09/13 at 19:17:53

I already have a 98 savage in running condition. I was looking to get this one as well and then go from there. I don't mind piddling around with it but I didn't want to pay TOO much for it either. He is asking 700 obo. You guys have been working on these bikes and on this forum for years so I figure the experience is here.

I have tools and time but no one wants to waste money. I'll see what type of price difference I can talk him into.

Thanks for all of the advice.

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/09/13 at 19:24:58

offer (pick a very low number) & leave your number. tell him to call you if no one pays more? youre not in a hurry to own a boat anchor, are you?

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by sSavage81 on 07/09/13 at 19:32:40

Gotya, Thanks.

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by LANCER on 07/10/13 at 03:20:33

585E46464E594D19132B0 wrote:

You never know how bad it may be until you can take it apart and see. The entire head/piston/cylinder could be damaged or perhaps its just the cam chain. You just don't know.
It is a "PARTS BIKE", and as such is only worth $300. If he wants more then he would need to part it out.

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by Dave on 07/10/13 at 05:13:51

If the cam jumped timing the valves could have hit the piston and made the piston, cylinder and head junk......and maybe the rod and crank as well. An engine rebuild or used engine can cost $ 800 - $ 1,000 to go back to stock....and a bit more if you get the need to put in a Wiseco, Performance Cam, etc.

THe Savage is such an inexpensive used bike that you could pick up a nice running bike for an equivalent price of buying this trashed bike and fixing it.

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by Scott_H on 07/10/13 at 08:36:56

I paid $700 for my '98 running just fine with a few cosmetic issues. I agree that $300 should me the max.

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by WD on 07/10/13 at 09:04:18

My 98 is heavily modified, but needs the electrical system finished up and a cam chain tensioner. I wouldn't give even $300 for it as it sits, and I know the engine runs.

Let's see, 5 cents a pound for the iron/steel parts, and 40 cents a pound for the aluminum parts comes out to... not worth the time to break it down.

If you are buying it for spare parts, a couple hundred bucks, tops. Keep the tins, the belt and similar "consumables", maybe the carb, outer engine cases, exhaust, etc. But consider the main core of the engine scrap.

Some Craigslist loony down here wants $1200 for a 95 with a bad carb, missing battery, worn out tires... and needing a bonded title. :o

Title: Re: Cam Question
Post by sSavage81 on 07/11/13 at 12:34:56

Thanks for all of the informative replies.

I sent the owner an email offering 300.00 this morning. No reply as of yet.

If he accepts ok, if Not, well then he can keep it.

Either way I feel that the information you guys gave helped a lot.

Thanks again.