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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1373270382 Message started by RobSchneider on 07/08/13 at 00:59:37 |
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Title: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/08/13 at 00:59:37 Helle there, When I checked the engine parts (cilinder, cilinder head, etc) I found that I have one locating dowel spare. According to clymer there is only one locating dowel on the bottom of the cilinderhead? My guess is that there are two, but Clymer didn't show it? I have two locating dowels on the engine, one on the bottom of cilinderhead, and two different sizes (smaller) on top of the cilinderhead. On the photo I have numbered the 3 locating dowels and the one from which I think is no 4. Anyone? |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/08/13 at 01:38:13 idk what the book says, but, gaskets will usually be cut to line up on thos dowels. usually 2 per gasket, on ones that can slide, one is enough if its around something, so it cant spin, ive never had a spare,, i doubt you should, |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/13 at 01:55:23 You have spotted the correct hollow locator pin location for your second hollow locator pin. You can verify by fitting the alignment hollow pin into the hole, then dropping the gasket over it to see if it fits and aligns. If it is wrong, then the parts won't go, either one of them. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by wambr on 07/08/13 at 01:57:15 Oh, of course not yesterday I was repairing the engine-I could not exactly tell... but the bottom of the cylinder 2 pins is totally I remember. one between the cylinder head and the cylinder, close to the well for timing chain. and one pin between the cylinder head cover and the cylinder head |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/08/13 at 03:42:20 5E7D7577747D7D7463110 wrote:
Thats what I thought, but why doesn't Clymer show two dowels on the cilinderhead? |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/08/13 at 03:43:34 This is the image of the bottom, here there are the two dowels. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Dave on 07/08/13 at 04:30:39 It looks like the cylinder head illustration is the same one the Factory Parts manual uses.....and they only show one dowel. If you look in the parts listing however they do list that 2 are required. For most things that have dowels to locate and stabillize the connection, it always requires 2 dowels. One dowel will still allow rotation around the single dowel......two dowels will stabilize the part in all directions. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by wambr on 07/08/13 at 05:18:19 04393405353E38333F323324560 wrote:
I remember exactly: there two dowels... |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by wambr on 07/08/13 at 05:20:10 http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/dowels2.jpg but there is no dowel #5 ...as far as I remember |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by old_rider on 07/08/13 at 05:25:30 No dowel #5 on the parts list? or when you tore it down? or in the clymer picture? cause I see #5 in the picture to the left and up about 2" from the circled dowel. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by wambr on 07/08/13 at 05:35:57 4241495F4449485F2D0 wrote:
when repairing I remember that like no dowels # 5 (the one near left exhaust valve) |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/08/13 at 06:06:38 4D5B5758483A0 wrote:
when repairing I remember that like no dowels # 5 (the one near left exhaust valve)[/quote] There is a dowel 5, but it's likely stuck in the cover or something, this dowel is a bit smaller than the bigger ones where I was talking about. edit: took a image from internet to show you: http://users.skynet.be/motorrestauratie/ls650/savage11.jpg |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/08/13 at 06:16:47 I have another question, I have bought some high-temp liquid gasket. Do you guys think that I have to put that on every gasket? I am going to use the original gaskets as well ofcourse... But every gasket or just the cover? |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Dave on 07/08/13 at 06:28:23 I never use gasket sealer on the gaskets....and neither did the factory. The center of the case halves and the head cover get sealer. It only needs to be a small bead about the size of a pencil lead. If you put too much on it squeezes out and looks bad - and it can restrict the proper flow of oil to the cam bearaings if you apply it too heavy. I used Suzukibond on my engine, and I applied it with a small plastic syringe and it worked much better than trying to squeeze a tube and apply the sealer accurately. I just pulled the plunger out of the syringe and squeezed the sealer from the tube into the syringe, then put the plunger back in. The syringe was a small one about 1/4 inch diameter. I am sure you can get them at CVS or Walgreens, etc. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Dave on 07/08/13 at 07:40:21 I have always hated this look......to me it alwys screams out that the engine has been taken apart. The factory sealant is black....and there is only a tiny bit that squeezes out. http://i44.tinypic.com/2jg8jes.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/uo2tc.jpg This look is even worse when the cylinder and head are black! |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Oldfeller on 07/08/13 at 10:00:33 Yup, I hates it too -- I use black sealant on my black engine and silver sealant on my silver engine. I also peel the excess off when it is just shy of full cure (still stretches and pulls free & clear & clean like a rubber band, it does) |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/09/13 at 01:04:54 wow Dave, that looks awful! Happy I bought some grey sealant, I used it before (tiny bit) and it was nice an tidy. So I dont have to seal the engine to cilinder gasket, only the cilinderhead and cover? |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by 87 savage on 07/09/13 at 01:50:41 Dave, is that orange stuff some kind of mold or fungus? ::) I couldn't find Suzukibond local so I used Hondabond HT on the crank halves and cylinder head cover. $12 for a tube. Worked great and no leaks. The HT is for gasketless metal to metal. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Dave on 07/09/13 at 04:58:00 Those two pictures of the orange gasket goo are not any bike I have worked on....they are just pictures I grabbed off another post in the technical section. I believe it is the high temperature stuff from Permatex.....not sure. They cylinder head temperature guage that I have shows that the temperatures are generally under 300 degrees - you might get a bit higher if you are in traffic or the desert. I woudl think the temperatures are never going to be over 320 degrees....ever. I looked at the Permatex site and all of their products are good to 400 degrees, the high temperature ones are good to 600 degrees. I bought the Suzukibond....or ou could use Hondabond or Yamabond. They are all made specifically to seal motorycle engines. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/09/13 at 11:04:56 4B707D6A7B776C6A7179746B180 wrote:
What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'? Can't seem to figure that out... |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Dave on 07/09/13 at 14:33:38 437E734272797F7478757463110 wrote:
What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'? Can't seem to figure that out...[/quote] The left half of the engine case joins the right half at the centerline of the engine. Look for a seam right down the middle of your engine. You can easily see it at the front center of the engine.....see that vertical line down the center of the engine? |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/10/13 at 02:11:54 774C4156474B50564D454857240 wrote:
What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'? Can't seem to figure that out...[/quote] The left half of the engine case joins the right half at the centerline of the engine. Look for a seam right down the middle of your engine. You can easily see it at the front center of the engine.....see that vertical line down the center of the engine?[/quote] Sorry, don't fully understand. Maybe it's because I only took of the cylinderhead and the sidecover. I have not taken the engine apart? |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Dave on 07/10/13 at 05:04:48 536E635262696F6468656473010 wrote:
What do you mean by 'center of the case halves'? Can't seem to figure that out...[/quote] The left half of the engine case joins the right half at the centerline of the engine. Look for a seam right down the middle of your engine. You can easily see it at the front center of the engine.....see that vertical line down the center of the engine?[/quote] Sorry, don't fully understand. Maybe it's because I only took of the cylinderhead and the sidecover. I have not taken the engine apart? [/quote] Sorry to have confused you. If you are only working on the cylinder and head.....you don't need to worry about the case halves. You only need to go there for crank, bearing or transmission troubles. Chances are you will be better off to buy a good used engine instead of splitting the cases and doing any work....parts are expensive when you break stuff down there. In the attached photo....look for the seam that runs dow the center of th engine. The case halves must be seperated to get the crank or transmission accessible. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by RobSchneider on 07/10/13 at 06:05:13 I see Dave, thank you for the good help! I didn't take the halves apart so gladly there's no problem:D The engine is already assembled again, I have to place a few helicoils though in the headcover (the smal caps on the sides were a little too tight the previous time and I can't apply the specific torque anymore... As I was looking in the holes, I did see that they are nog all the way drilled, so my guess is that I can dril the hole to put helicoils in without having to take of the headcover again... |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/10/13 at 16:57:49 be easier if it was off, imo. id want a drill press. |
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Title: Re: Reassemble the engine, 4 dowels? Post by Digger on 08/12/13 at 21:00:57 546F6275646873756E666B74070 wrote:
For the record, the subject sealant looks exactly like Permatex® Ultra Copper® Maximum Temperature RTV Silicone Gasket Maker (http://www.permatex.com/products/product-categories/gasketing/gasket-makers/permatex-ultra-copper-maximum-temperature-rtv-silicone-gasket-maker-detail) I used to use this sealant on my head cover. It worked OK, but after about 4000 miles or so, I started getting some oil weepage. So, I quit using it..... It's good stuff though - I've had great luck with it in other applications. |
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