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Message started by verslagen1 on 07/01/13 at 20:53:07

Title: Project: whiner
Post by verslagen1 on 07/01/13 at 20:53:07

I had a counter balancer bearing go bad a couple of years ago (engine shelved) and I'm finally getting around to fixing it.

http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Whiner/counterbalancerbearingbad.jpg

Got the flywheel off, but to get the starter gear off, I gotta pull this flywheel key off.

http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Whiner/flywheelkey.jpg

Any trick to get it out?

Or can I leave it and just leave all this sh!t nested in the half while I go after the counter balancer bearing?

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by Cloudy on 07/01/13 at 20:58:02

Get a small punch or just be carefull with a hammer and hit it down at one end, they usually pop up enough to flick out... well has been my experience anyway.

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/01/13 at 21:01:34

If thats a woodruff key its round on bottom. IF thats how it is, shoot the penetrating oil on it. soak time, then punch & hammer time straight down on the inside end. That raises the outside end & you can slip a dulled chisel in & lightly, slowly, gently bump it out of the slot,,
If its a square key, tap it to the end of the slot, build a chisel tip to fit down in the groove & , again, slow & easy , watch whats happening,

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by verslagen1 on 07/01/13 at 21:09:06

I agree that it should be a woodruff key, but looks square.
and hitting with dull chisel does not move it.

I'm inclined to leave it if it's that well stuck.

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by verslagen1 on 07/01/13 at 21:13:08

The engine is fairly low mileage, a little over 20k maybe.

should I replace the main bearings?

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/01/13 at 21:18:20

If you can do what ya wanna do & leave it there,, then leave it alone.. doesnt sound like you need to put it in a baggie to keep from losin it..

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by Dave on 07/02/13 at 04:26:37

That key is for the Magneto Rotor....not the flywheel (although it is very heavy and does work like a flywheel). There is another flywheel behind the large starter gear.

The key is a half moon type key and will come out if you hit on the ouside face of it with a punch. Use a brass punch if possible....then you can hit it hard and will not hurt it. A slight taper on the punch will help.....with the longest part being a the bottom so that as the key comes up the angle helps to wedge it out.

Crank bearing replacement......where did the metal pieces from the bad countershaft bearing go? I would probably replace them while I was in there if I was planning on keeping the engine a long while. If you want a right crank bearing with only 1,000 miles on it.....I got one I can give you. My left crank bearing went out at 1,000 miles, and I replaced both while I was in there.

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by HondaLavis on 07/02/13 at 09:53:21

http://www.bikebandit.com/2001-suzuki-savage-650-ls650p/o/m147721#sch239396

That's definitely part #4, woodruff key. If you don't have a brass punch, I'd probably just use a small chunk of wood or PVC. Just something to tap it out with and not mar it up. Of course, you're hitting it on the side closest to the bearing, aren't you?

It's been a couple years; was there any oil left on the engine when you shelved it? It's not rusted in there, is it?

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by srinath on 07/02/13 at 10:21:14

Woodruff keys have a tendency to get sorta "mushroomed" into their space with time and impact and heat and all the nasties that happen there.
The Yamaha 660 motor I have in my MZ has a few cases on the clutch side, right side ... well known cases, but mine ate the thing on the starter clutch side - left side of the motor.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by verslagen1 on 07/02/13 at 11:11:47

5671707A7F527F68776D1E0 wrote:

It's been a couple years; was there any oil left on the engine when you shelved it? It's not rusted in there, is it?

nope, it was properly bagged and tagged.
and when I pulled off the flywheel it promptly pissed black on my foot. :o

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/02/13 at 16:10:50

if i had an engine that had shelled out an internal bearing id want a new oil pump.

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by verslagen1 on 07/02/13 at 22:10:47

the case is split... a little

Title: Re: Project: whiner
Post by Serowbot on 07/02/13 at 23:04:24

Whiner?... really?... :-?...
When things go wrong that deep... I'm cryin' like a baby... http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Templates/Forum/default/cry.gif...

Can I call a friend?... :-?....
;D ;D ;D...