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Title: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/01/13 at 03:32:37 My son is 15 now and will turn 16 next Easter 2014. As a birthday present I plan to fund his MC driver's licence, which in Europe is called "A1"; he will then use his own money (and my advice) to buy himself a bike. In Europe, "A1" is for 16y.o., 125cc, 15hp motorcycles. Requires a written exam and a riding test. Then comes "A2", for 18 y.o., no cc limit but 34 hp (just recently upgraded to 48 hp), another exam & riding test. After riding on his "A2", one may wish to upgrade to "A3", which is unlimited. PLAN: In 2016 my son will graduate from High School and I plan a 3, 4, 5, whatever week long holiday to celebrate (I will probably be retired by then unless a war breaks out) I would like to rent two bikes, one for him, one for myself (and wifey :-*) and ride our money's worth wherever possible, the more, the merrier. Unfortunately, even if he does pass his "A2" exams, bureocracy has it that his new licence won't be ready for some time yet... Question: Could my son rent a [what capacity / cc] bike (with my credit card) in the US and ride with us? Frankly, not only do I doubt there's not much available to rent as a 125cc, I do not believe you can ride "Coast to Coast" cruising at 50-55mph all day long... ::) Advice ? What do your State / Federal laws say about this ? |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by ToesNose on 07/01/13 at 04:48:08 Well I know that there are places that rent bikes as low as 250cc and pretty much anything in between up to full sized Harleys, I think your main obstacle would be finding a company that rents to people with out of country licenses. Here's a link to Eagle rider, they have a large selection of bikes as far as engine displacement and styles and have a lot of pickup and drop off locations. Shoot them an email and start researching so you have an idea of what to expect for planning your future trip ;) http://www.eaglerider.com/motorcycle-rental.aspx |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by Dave on 07/01/13 at 05:59:53 I did a quick search for Kentucky.....and here is what I found for young drivers with a license from another place: Out-of-State Permit Holders •A valid permit holder from another state must be at least 16 years of age to drive in Kentucky. •Must be accompanied by a licensed adult at least 21 years of age. •Driving is restricted between 12 midnight and 6:00 a.m. for those drivers who are under age 18. I don't see any restrictions on size of the motorcycle based on age....not sure if your propoed route would take you anywhere near Kentucky! In most instances if you are obeying the traffic laws, not breaking the speed limit, have proper mufflers and equipment, are driving safely, and blendiing with traffic......you will never be stopped. Few officers would ever give your son any problems if he was driving safely and with traveling with his father. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by Pine on 07/01/13 at 06:16:35 pffffftt Rent your self a Hog.. drop by here and borrow my savage for the son. I don't know about the laws. But as said... be safe and don't stick out. The police are looking for trouble makers not hassling folks just going about their business. Then again... not sure being caught in such a situation would be any fun ..."international incident" .... I will ask around from international friends at work.. maybe they know how it works. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/01/13 at 06:56:22 if you can get any kind of license for him that he can have in his pocket, one that would indicate he has passed a proficiency test & could ride a bike there, then id feel pretty good about him not getting in a big mess here. just a receipt showing he passed the test & is waiting for it to come in the mail would be proof enough. in texas there are learners permits, must ride with licensed rider 21 or over in sight. idk how thats sposed to help, but thats the law. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/01/13 at 07:11:13 Thanks all :) In the US I have been regularly renting cars with my Italian license - once, I had even forgot my license home (aka across the ocean) with a prepaid one-week rental, I did not quite panic but asked the guys if they had a fax, they did, I immediately phoned home (it was 8p.m. in VA, 2a.m. next day in Italy :-X) and had my wife fax a scan of my license. It worked ! 8-) (That guy must have gained 10.000 karma points ! ;D) Out of State or outright foreign ? ::) The point is, if the guys at the Vehicle Licensing Office are quick enough, my son would have his "A2" (48hp) license within one working week... 883 here I come! BUT If they work as the typical Federal Employee... :-X So I had to ask ;) Still, what am I worrying about ? I still have three years ahead of me ! ;D ;) |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/01/13 at 07:15:35 PS Thanks Pine ! :) I had also inquired with Eagleriders, for riding two-up I would need the Electra Gluide, and at $120/day plus insurance etc... :o $12thousand for a 60 day ride :-X An 883 would be around $70/day plus the same expenses. I could even crate my own Savage and ship it over, but would need to clear US Customs... ::) ::) ::) Not sure if it would really be worth the effort unless it was a 60-90-day trip (90 days being the max duration for a Tourist Passport Stamp under the Visa-Waiver Program) :-/ ... I might as well fly in and buy myself a used bike... insure it as required, and sell it away as I fly out ... ::) |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by arteacher on 07/01/13 at 07:20:40 I wouldn't worry about it too much- by then he will have a girl he won't want to leave for a week anyway. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by Pine on 07/01/13 at 07:24:37 4D5045534341544F5249200 wrote:
Yeah for $12K you buy three rather used nice bikes.. ride.. and sell before heading out, and come out waaaay ahead. Theres a bunch of Suzuki C50's on ebay @ under $6k. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by verslagen1 on 07/01/13 at 09:06:04 41787F74657E63110 wrote:
If you do that, find a buyer at the destination up front. There's a guy on craigslist now that wants to sell, willing to drop it anywhere so he can go back home... visa expiring soon. He's selling at a good price, but outta state bikes are a problem in California. So pick a destination where you can sell, or at least store 'em till next time. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by Dave on 07/01/13 at 09:34:33 Just to make it more of a challenge, do something like they do on the Cable Television show Top Gear. Give eveybody $ 1,000 to buy a used motorcycle and gear.....and then document the travel and repairs along the way. You could make it a requirement that it be an S540 or LS650. If it was Top Gear....they would throw in a race or challenge every few days......or make you convert the motorcycle to a boat when you reach the other coast! |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by old_rider on 07/01/13 at 09:43:43 Or, you could pay someone to buy you two or three bikes and get them ride ready, you could then get them insured for you to ride for the amount of time you are here. Then he/she could sell them and return your money, minus the commission and work he/she did to get them up and running for you. Of course the person doing this for you would have to register them in thier name and liscense/tag and insure them, so be sure to include that in the total cost. I would also make up some kind of legal contract to insure that the person you get to do the buying doesn't stiff you in the end. Or you could find someone with several bikes willing to let you insure and drive them and simply pay them for the amount of time you ride. You have the time, explore all options. :) |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by Paladin. on 07/01/13 at 10:42:49 706D786E7E7C69726F741D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/01/13 at 11:18:31 52636E63666B6C020 wrote:
YUP ! You have a point ! Come to think about it, it's exactly what my dad did in 1962 when on a 6-month tour of the States (he was in the Italian Navy) Bought, drove, sold back to the original dealer. Oldrider, come 2016 you might have found yourself an occupation ! ;D Actually, riding East to West is verrry nice, but I probably can't sell a Florida bike in California, so I could ride back... So... now I have to come up with a figure-8 route that'll cover everything form Empire State Building to Route 66, including Devil's Tower, Las Vegas, Death Valley, Jellystone Park and the Flrida Everglades... :D |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by Pine on 07/01/13 at 12:26:48 607D687E6E6C79627F640D0 wrote:
YUP ! You have a point ! Come to think about it, it's exactly what my dad did in 1962 when on a 6-month tour of the States (he was in the Italian Navy) Bought, drove, sold back to the original dealer. Oldrider, come 2016 you might have found yourself an occupation ! ;D Actually, riding East to West is verrry nice, but I probably can't sell a Florida bike in California, so I could ride back... So... now I have to come up with a figure-8 route that'll cover everything form Empire State Building to Route 66, including Devil's Tower, Las Vegas, Death Valley, Jellystone Park and the Flrida Everglades... :D[/quote] cause every 18yo boy needs to go to vegas...... ::) Grand Canyon New Orleans Skip Death Valley.... nothing but hot. Stick your head in a pizza oven.. same experience. ;D |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/01/13 at 20:54:37 Skip Death Valley.... nothing but hot. Stick your head in a pizza oven.. same experience. not really,, death valley doesnt smell like pizza & no one sticks one in with you.. pizza oven is a better choice,theres usually beer for sale where pizza ovens are,, |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/02/13 at 01:35:48 474C4C454946475D5C280 wrote:
If this were true, I wouldn't be surprised is she insisted on coming, too. :-? Which means... who's going to deal with her parents ? :-/ I know ! My wife ! :-* :D Anyway... really... I would have to really really conjure something upo in order to see everything and go everywhere etc. ... We visited the SouthWest in June/July 2008 (Paladin and Verslagen will remember ;) ) and my boy was only 10 at the time. We took a whole lot of pictures, and then some more, and it's nice to look at them from time to time and "gee, remember this place?" and we all heckle on this or that detail. Sequoia Natn'l Park and Death Valley... and Vegas (we stayed at Circus Circus just off the Strip). Would we want to go to Vegas again ? Definitely ! Would my son want to go to Vegas ? He doesn't even know how much he would want to go... yet... ;D Anyway... crating my own Savage would cost me about $2000 each way... Renting a bike for a 10thousand mile double Coast-to-Coast would set me back by much more... Two bikes ? :o Really... I'm beginning to think a "sell&buy back" contract might be my best option 8-) EDIT I was doodling routes on Googlemaps when I came across THIS at these coordinates: 36.329051,-117.716156 Just Copy&paste them in the dialog window in Googlemaps. Very odd, it's two concentric circles about 300ft. in diameter. If I didn't know better, I'd say it looks exactly like Stonehenge, only buried in sand and/or made in adobe bricks which weathered away... Europe is chock full of these, they were open air solar temples used to study and determine excactly when solar and lunar dates fell, eclipses etc. Of course they HAD to build a road across it... ::) |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/02/13 at 07:02:22 Here's one wacky fig. 8 route... a mere 10260 miles... ... probably need two months to enjoy it all... ::) ... or maybe 10 days Iron Butt to get my passport stamped ... :o Boston, MS Buffalo, NY Chicago, IL St.Louis MO New Orleans, LO Houston, TX Abilene, TX Carlsbad, NM Durango, CO Grand Junction, CO Moab, UT Grand Canyon, AZ Classic Route 66 through Peach Springs and Oatman, AZ :D Las Vegas, NV Death Valley, CA Los Angeles, CA (R&R Disneyland :D) CA Rt. 1 to San Francisco, CA Yosemite NP to Carson City and Reno, NV Twin Falls, ID Yellowstone NP, WY Devils Tower, WY Little Big Horn, MT Mt. Rushmore & Badlands NP, SD Milwaukee, WI (R&R at HD Museum :D) Indianapolis, IN Nashville, TN Miami, FL (R&R at the Everglades... Disneyworld Epcot Cape Canaveral etc.) Charleston, SC Williamsburg, VA Washington, D.C. Philadelphia, PA New York City, NY Bosto, MS Of course, these are NOT the "stopovers", simply the "vectors" or "main destinations". Still... 10260 miles + roaming, wrong way turnaround and just plain cruising ... make it 11000 miles each. Whew ! My math for fuel, fuel alone ? 11000 miles at 40mpg x $4.00/gal = $1100 each ! Two bikes = $2200 fuel plus $100 oil plus... room & board ! :-X AND SOUVENIERS... now... where do I store those ? :-/ I need a backup van... ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by verslagen1 on 07/02/13 at 07:44:30 7A67726474766378657E170 wrote:
Can't tell what this might be for sure, but it's fairly inhospitable. Not that there aren't native villages all throughout the area. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by Skid Mark on 07/02/13 at 19:41:21 In Canada the c90 goes for $13k new. It would be perfect for a 2 up Cross country ride. With the costs posted, you would still be ahead even doing this. I'm sure there will be used ones available when you are ready to do this. |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/03/13 at 01:36:06 7A697E7F606D6B69623D0C0 wrote:
Can't tell what this might be for sure, but it's fairly inhospitable. Not that there aren't native villages all throughout the area.[/quote] True. Inhospitable... today. Rewind time by some 5-7 thousand years ( 3000 - 5000 BC) and you'll discover climate was overall much cooler than it is today. In Africa, back in 3000 - 5000 BC the Sahara was a vast, fairly hospitable savanna, with lakes and tall grasses and elephants and giraffes where today all you have is something akin to Utah. I wouldn't be surprised if the investigated with geologis ultrasound to discover "there's stuff down there". ;) |
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Title: Re: Let's assume... (my pipedream) Post by mpescatori on 07/03/13 at 02:11:53 Everybody knows about Stonehenge http://images.style.it/Storage/Assets/Crops/17669/34/18689/Stonehenge_280x0.jpg Not everybody knows Stonehenge is bout one of scores and scores of similar sites scattered throughout Europe. Sweden, the "Solar Ship", 2000 BC http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3rpLAU5aW2g/UclMgDm_MgI/AAAAAAAAJLs/M-xTI6SP1FQ/s320/1.png Malta, 3600 - 2500 BC http://https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNapEnS8uvjCqWfr0JabeqhIGG0EVEoGuijJMeP5E_q-OrTWZY Cromlech in Marocco ( !!! ) http://www.nimoterndom.it/wpviaggimiei/yacim_6938-256-mzora1.jpg Cromlech in Xerez, Spain http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/inaquim/inaquim1205/inaquim120500010/13635281-cromlech-of-xerez-near-monsaraz-alentejo-portugal.jpg Carnac, France :o http://www.sae-uk.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/The-Stones-of-Carnac2.jpg Nuraghe (Nuraxi) in Sardinia http://www.laltraitaliatour.it/main2/images/stories/foto_viaggi/isole/tour_sardegna/barumini.JPG and how it looked like around 2000 BC http://www.forumlive.net/proposte/Nuraghi/Barumini_ritocco.jpg http://image.forumcommunity.it/6/9/1/8/3/8/0/1301239028.jpg_http://https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQupQyX7lE0fkW8qg00cE66JLcH7D4rGbWHeNGmfXZNUI8-P1Yk If it looks too "medieval-esque", well... these are the styles indicated by leading archaeologists... So... I wouldn't be surprised if someone discovered "there's something them thar yonder!" in Death Valley... :) |
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