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Message started by oldNslow on 06/16/13 at 08:20:22

Title: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by oldNslow on 06/16/13 at 08:20:22

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The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls.
Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a New York Democrat, disclosed this week that during a secret briefing to members of Congress, he was told that the contents of a phone call could be accessed "simply based on an analyst deciding that."
If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee.
Not only does this disclosure shed more light on how the NSA's formidable eavesdropping apparatus works domestically, it also suggests the Justice Department has secretly interpreted federal surveillance law to permit thousands of low-ranking analysts to eavesdrop on phone calls.

There's a link to the whole article on Drudge.

So much for the BS story of a couple of days ago that they were only collecting phone numbers and the duration of calls- the "metadata" I think they called it.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by raydawg on 06/16/13 at 10:27:07

From an AP story.....

Bo knows, or knew, or depends on what is, is....but whistles a different tune now.

Excerpt: The Bush administration shut down its warrantless wiretapping program in 2007 but endorsed a new law, the Protect America Act, which allowed the wiretapping to continue with changes: The NSA generally would have to explain its techniques and targets to a secret court in Washington, but individual warrants would not be required.

Congress approved it, with Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in the midst of a campaign for president, voting against it.

"This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide," Obama said in a speech two days before that vote. "I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom."

That was then, this is now:

A few months after Obama took office in 2009, the surveillance debate reignited in Congress because the NSA had crossed the line. Eavesdroppers, it turned out, had been using their warrantless wiretap authority to intercept far more emails and phone calls of Americans than they were supposed to.

Obama, no longer opposed to the wiretapping, made unspecified changes to the process. The government said the problems were fixed.

"I came in with a healthy skepticism about these programs," Obama explained recently. "My team evaluated them. We scrubbed them thoroughly. We actually expanded some of the oversight, increased some of the safeguards."

Years after decrying Bush for it, Obama said Americans did have to make tough choices in the name of safety.

"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," the president said.

This guy is a tool, and those who back him regardless, are useful fools. I remember his opposition to raise the debt ceiling, under Bush, I agreed with him, now, all that he argued against, he has embraced.....

Power, corruption, and pandering to the mass ignorant of the entitlement mentality has left this country in bad shape. Middle class made this nation, period. Hard work and self worth provided family, and community, with a healthy outlook and future. Divisiveness under the guise of diversity has undermined it to a point of no return.

Our "security" is NOT the knight in shining armor that will restore us, no matter who the odd bedfellows be on the matter...

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by oldNslow on 06/16/13 at 11:39:43

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"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," the president said.

That has to be one of the most idiotic statements BO has ever made.
I'll take 100% privacy from, and as little inconvenience at the government hands as possible, and I'll take care of my own security, thank you very much.

I'm a heck of a lot more likely to be run down by some SUV driving soccer-mom yackin' on her cell phone, than getting my head chopped of or being blowed-up by a jihadi jumpin' out of the bushes down the street.

There is no such thing as 100% security. Never has been- never will be. I don't want the government to protect me. I want it to let me.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/13 at 12:13:13

The helluvitizzz,, THEY want to "Protect" us,, & theyre gonna do what it takews to get US to DEMand they protect us. There Will be terrorism that Could have been stopped, If ONLY our Loving Goobs had had more power & WE had had less privacy.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Midnightrider on 06/16/13 at 12:52:56

67595854465A5B350 wrote:

Quote:

"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," the president said.

Well Said!!!!!!

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/16/13 at 14:51:30

Was a time in America when the pres inspired the people with

There is nothing to fear besides Fear itself

Now the goobs say

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by raydawg on 06/16/13 at 16:32:35

445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:

Was a time in America when the pres inspired the people with

There is nothing to fear besides Fear itself

Now the goobs say

Be afraid! Be very afraid!

Do you mean like when Al Gore told us Dubya played on our fears.....?????

But of course he would never do that, or would he? :-?

http://sadbastards.wordpress.com/2007/02/25/he-betrayed-us-he-played-on-our-fears-al-gore/

Of note, those figures are from 2007, so you can assume they are low by today's standards.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Starlifter on 06/16/13 at 16:36:58

"Was a time in America when the pres inspired the people with "There is nothing to fear besides Fear itself." JOG

...That all ended when Kennedy was snuffed for going after the wrong people...(read FR,)

So, and then there was Bobby....he went after the mob. Big mistake...huge.

After that, the Presidents...(got the message.) YOU ARE NOT IN CHARGE! Even Regan was just a figurehead...they would roll him out like a cardboard cut-out of himself. He would spout a few folksy platitudes (well rehearsed), and the people loved it! All the while there were sh!tloads of of neferious activity going on behind the curtain.

I even may give Bush a pass...maybe the only thing he was guilty of was being stupid.

"The helluvitizzz,, THEY want to "Protect" us". JOG

...'sneer'...protect us from what??...Two guys with a pressure cooker?? All those trillions? Heh, they still blew up their pressure cooker.

Want to protect us?? Fix the GD pipes and wires and bridges and roads. Stop poisoning our air and water. Get Monsanto out of our food...(Now THAT would be a war on terror)!

"Now the goobs say: Be afraid! Be very afraid!" JOG

Yes, and they are right. Fear the PFNAC, fear the politicians, frar the mega criminals runing the country...not only in DC, but state and local govrtnmrnt too...even on the township level...all corrupt...rotten to the core.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by raydawg on 06/16/13 at 18:04:11

Not sure if JFK was as pure as some think.....I heard old man Joe was ruthless, knowing he could build up a political empire, and the power it gives, using his sons.

And we can blame our executive, judicial, and legislative branches of government, but we need to also include the press/media. Once was a day they were unbiased and reported the truth and held some integrity to the profession. Not anymore, they have capitalized just as much, if not more than the parties.

I do, as exampled by ordinary citizens, in other countries, who have documented and publicized the dirty deeds of those powers on the INTERNET, for all to see. This media will be the link for all peace loving people, who care not to dominate, and push their agendas/beliefs/etc, on others via their stranglehold.

Never surrender the INTERNET or censor its use......or we will be doomed.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by srinath on 06/17/13 at 09:27:55

OK so 9/11 happened ... and we should have shrugged it off and said ... meeh .. OK no problem ...

Since we did not ...
We are going to have to give up lots of our rights and be inconvenienced.
EOM.

Repeat for all the rest of the scenarios.

You dont want to get run over by a soccer mom on the cell phone in her SUV - yea make cars with cell jammers in them. Or make cell towers drop calls if the cell is moving @ more than say 2 mph. Yea more govt intrusion ... what if the poor woman is driving down skid row trying to get herself a way out. Yea screw that ...

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Pine on 06/17/13 at 10:50:51

4C68656F686669757368656473010 wrote:

[quote author=67595854465A5B350 link=1371396022/0#2 date=1371407983]
Quote:

"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," the president said.

Well Said!!!!!![/quote]

/seconded

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by srinath on 06/17/13 at 11:18:28

744A4B47554948260 wrote:

Quote:

"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," the president said.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Midnightrider on 06/17/13 at 11:39:49

6E495C4F51545B49584F3D0 wrote:

Very well said !!!!

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by oldNslow on 06/17/13 at 13:51:32

44455E5956435F370 wrote:

[quote author=744A4B47554948260 link=1371396022/0#2 date=1371407983]
Quote:

"You can't have 100 percent security and also then have 100 percent privacy and zero inconvenience," the president said.

I'm pretty sure you also want to fix you car on the road with chicken wire, duct tape and keep on going huh ...

Not gonna happen, sorry to break it to you, but the world has gotten far more complicated since the 60's ...
The bike you got that you can fix with zip ties, inner tube and duct tape is as close as any one will ever get ...

Cool.
Srinath.[/quote]

Sri,
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. Do you mean that since the world has gotten more complicated we should just throw in the towel, admit that we are helpless and unable to take care of ourselves, and expect the government to do everying for us?

Besides, it's only the technology that has changed, people haven't evolved all that much over the past few thousand years, much less since the 60s. Otherwise we wouldn't keep doing the same dumb sh*t over and over.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Paraquat on 06/17/13 at 15:29:01

I argued this with some locals.
Have a special number, close to 911.
Call it 511.
You dial that number and your phone gets through for legitimate emergencies. Otherwise you get billed like $20 a minute to make your call.
It's not a perfect idea but neither is $100 dollars a bullet.

--Steve

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Midnightrider on 06/17/13 at 15:55:11

Raydawg listen to JFK's last speech. Its on You tube. He was going after some people and institutions that needed eliminating. I think one of them was the Federal Reserve. He was no angel, he loved the women but in his heart I believe he wanted what was best for the American people and the rest of the world.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by raydawg on 06/17/13 at 16:03:24

1C38353F383639252338353423510 wrote:

Was it true he was going to get us out of Vietnam, etc, and was working on it to be implemented upon his return to DC too?

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Midnightrider on 06/20/13 at 15:16:39

Rand Paul wants to do away with the Patriot Act. That's one reason he's probably gonna get my vote. He doesn't believe in internet and phone spying. The land of the free is being destroyed by George Bush and Obama. Obama's drones should be illegal in the US.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/20/13 at 22:31:32

Obama's drones should be illegal in the US.

They are, but, just as "They" dont follow the law on drivers licenses & they
TEACH that "driving is a privilege". Of course, every teacher, talking head on TV & politician says we live in " A Greeaat Dumbokruseee"..

Indoctrination,,

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Midnightrider on 06/25/13 at 18:07:40

2014 all cars produced will have to have a black box on them. Some 2013 models have them now. Now its the goverment's business to know where I go and what I do all day. Wonder whats more cost effective, the drones or the black boxes.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Paraquat on 06/26/13 at 06:14:30

My cousin bought a new Wrangler.
He asked the guy where the black box was.
Salesman denied knowing about it.
He said he pushed harder and the salesman admitted it was in the seat.

Recaro's are more comfortable anyway.

--Steve

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by srinath on 06/26/13 at 07:59:37

67434E44434D425E58434E4F582A0 wrote:

Ha ... my old crap will be more $$$ wheeeeee ...

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by mpescatori on 06/27/13 at 05:18:42

IIRC, there's a scene in "2Fast2Furious" where they taze a getaway car.

http://www.hdmotori.it/wp-content/uploads/fast-furious1.jpg

Natch, it's the hero's car but we're all happy because we then learn he's the good guy, right?

Wrong.

The only car the Police would never be able to taze is a car whose engine is carb fed and ignited by points&condenser.

Enter Toretto - aka Vin Diesel. HE would get my vote. ;)

Or Steve McQueen... or Clint Eastwood... if you know what I mean... ;)

http://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Bullitt_mustang.jpeg

Need I say more ? ;)

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Paraquat on 06/27/13 at 06:14:27

They use fancy electronics in the 6th installment giving the cast an excuse to switch up to American muscle...
but after they make the switch they never address it again. Seemed too open ended for me.

IIRC there was a rolling EMP design. It was like a creeper that was meant to be lowered via steel cable and you troll it out underneath the car you want to disable. Not sure how far that ever went. Seems unrealistic to me... nothing a left or right turn couldn't evade.

--Steve

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by srinath on 06/27/13 at 07:12:47

4273607363677366120 wrote:

This used to be there - late 90's if I recall.
However when are you talking about using it ? When driving ?
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by Paraquat on 06/27/13 at 09:12:01

Yea. I forgot to qualify that.
While driving.
While traveling in excess of... 25 mph?

Wife is pregnant? Speed, call the hospital (Hell, have the operator put you through. You can't dial, you're driving!), full refund.

Someone driving aggressively and following you? Call. Full refund.

On the way home and don't know if you need to pick up milk? Call, get billed $20 a minute while your wife goes "Hrm.. do we need milk... hrmmm... well if I make this then I will only use a cup... but if I don't then we'll have left over milk... so I can make pancakes on the weekend..."
100 dollars later you know to pick up only a half gallon.

--Steve

Title: Re: So we're just paranoid, huh.
Post by srinath on 06/27/13 at 09:19:04

Well we used to have it ... wasn't even that $$$, like $2 a min. No one used it even then. This of course can be implemented with a flag on your bill. You can be warned a few months and break your habit.

But what if you're the pasenger ? I actually dont care if no one in the car can text or call while moving. You're not that important so STFU and talk to your co passengers. Busses and trains and whatever ... small minority.

Remember when text used to be free but calls cost $. I cant see that as safer ... text oughta be really really $$$$ while moving ...

Its likely to find stiff opposition ... more screams of big brother etc etc etc. But screw that, make it happen ...

Cool.
Srinath.