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Title: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov. Post by Midnightrider on 06/07/13 at 22:48:16 No, Mr. Volcker, Distrust in Government is Good Charlotte Hays | Jun 07, 2013 Recommend this article Comments 6 Hand-wring about Americans’ growing distrust of government has led Paul Volcker, the respected former Federal Reserve chairman, to launch an institute aimed at restoring faith in government. No, no, no, Mr. Volcker! You’ve got it all wrong. We do not need to trust government more. To restore America’s greatness, we need to trust government less. If only Mr. Volcker, a revered public servant whose policies brought us out of an era of crippling inflation, were throwing his immense prestige behind an institute to promote the old-fashioned value of skepticism about government! It’s that healthy sense of distrust for government that our Founding Fathers had in abundance. Alexander Hamilton took pains to emphasize that the government was the creature of the people. “If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people,” Hamilton wrote in Federalist 33, “whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed [the Constitution], and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify.” Hamilton would be dismayed at the current state of our government, which seeps into nearly every aspect of the lives of Americans. He would have been dismayed, but not surprised at the current litany of scandals. What kind of government uses its powerful tax collecting agency, the IRS, to spy on and intimidate citizens? What kind of government refuses to inform citizens immediately that their diplomats abroad have been casualties of a terrorist attack? What kind of Justice Department seizes reporters’ phone and email information secretly? It’s part of a government that isn’t just abusing power, but has too much power. The good government types have a different take. Congress must continue to conduct hearings and get to the bottom of it all, of course. They’ll offer more training to create better bureaucrats. They may even call to send a few “bad apple” bureaucrats at the IRS to jail. They’ll draft up new “guidelines” that will make it more difficult for the Justice Department to spy on journalists. All of this is nice: but it’s small potatoes. Something bigger is happening here, and Americans—Republicans and Democrats alike—should take note. It is not the Obama administration we should mistrust. It is government itself. The bigger the government, the less accountable. These scandals, while they certainly arise from personal moral and ethical codes, are not just examples of mistakes made by individual members of the Obama administration. They are expected examples of what happens any time government gets too big for its britches. Lois Lerner, the IRS official who said she was taking the Fifth rather than divulging information to mere members of Congress, wasn't just the face of the Obama IRS. She was the face of big government: haughty, unresponsive, and utterly determined to play by a set of rules not available to us peons. This is the sort of statement conservatives get in trouble for, but here goes: these scandals, awful and sickening as they are, are a godsend. This may be our last "teachable moment," as President Obama likes to say, to show people why government is to be distrusted--not just this government, but any government. Only if we are skeptical about government we will have a rationale for reining it in and curbing its abuses. We can't shrink government if half the country loves it. So this is our fork-in-the-road moment. On one side is President Obama. President Obama has no doubts about the goodness of government. Government, in Mr. Obama’s universe, “is the only thing that we all belong to.” President Obama believes that government should grow and grow, intruding ever deeper into the nooks and crannies of our private lives. Are you overweight? Do you smoke? Uncle Sam thinks this is his business. This is not what was intended in 1787, when the Constitution was adopted with—allow me to note--no provisions whatsoever with regard to personal weight management. On the other side, the Founding Fathers offer another path. A path with a government of limited power, a few, clear, critical responsibilities, and one that is held accountable to the people. I love my country. But I distrust my government. And, I believe that’s a healthy perspective to have. Mr Volker has put a screwing on us monetarily like no other being the head of the Federal Reserve. No wonder he wants us to love our country while he lines his pockets. Destroying the IRS is a good first step but destroying the Federal Reserve should deserve just as much priority. We're gonna crash and crash hard if the Federal Reserve doesn't quit handing out blank checks to everyone and people behind our backs who are known terrorist. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/08/13 at 10:31:49 Nothing a former head of the most destructive to america group can say is worth my time, unless he is ready to tell the People the truth about how the fed works & how it impacts our society., |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by oldNslow on 06/08/13 at 10:33:41 Not only is it OK to distrust our government IMHO it is our duty to be sceptical of whatever it tries to do. Not necessarily to be opposed to every single thing, but not be willing either to accept that anything the the government proposes or does is in our best interest. This guy helped create our government, and he didn't trust it. "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/10/13 at 12:39:19 Well the time to have said "none of your business uncle sam" is when Uncle sam Instituted social security, medicare and medicaid. Unfortunately now your weight is uncle sam's business, you agreed to it when you allowed medicare and medicaid to get into american medical practice. Then it was made worse when we allowed insurance companies to flourish and make the doctors think they work for them. I'd make all insurance illegal, and especially so when it involves direct dealing with your doctor. We are getting really really good @ bolting the barn door after the horse has bolted. The TEA baggers start the year after Bush the biggest spender and bail out hander leaves office. Seriously, we are too far down this path to turnaround now. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by oldNslow on 06/10/13 at 13:27:40 srinath wrote" Quote:
Sadly, I agree with you. We have made a deal with the Devil and it's almost time to pay up. I truly believe that things are going to get really ugly a lot sooner than most folks expect. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/10/13 at 17:33:37 7D43424E5C40412F0 wrote:
That's just the thing though ... yes things are going to get ugly ... but "where" is the question. I believe it will first be china ... Then it will be europe ... and all the other sorry basterds who lent us $$$ or are less credit worthy than us. Its going to be a clear case of ... "Governor Nikki Haley cuts South carolina residents benefits from $270 to $217. The people of New Jersey thank her" Ugly yes, but not here, cos we have exported it. It would have been nice to have not lived beyond our means and exported all the debt ... but the bank has lent us $$$ and will allow us to print what we want and hand it back. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/10/13 at 21:43:48 STOP calling ME a TEa Bagger, or Im gonna get meaner than youve ever seen, YOu understand we wwere trying to get a MAN in office? Ron Paul,, THAT was why the Tea Party, see? Party is even shorter than Bagger,so, YOu call us right, Okay? Im sick of seeing that, & WHY does WHEN matter? We were trying to get RIGHT done. BUsh? He SUCKED? Bammy SUCKS< SUCKS SUCKS!I cant wait to see whats next!! Evry one is worse than the last. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by oldNslow on 06/11/13 at 05:11:19 Quote:
I think you are mistaken about that. Sooner or later the chickens will come home to roost. The economic path we are on can not be sustained forever. I agree that Europe will fall first, then Asia. But most of Asia dosen't have all that far to fall anyway. But believing that this country is immune is just delusional. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/11/13 at 11:18:28 7B646265787F4E7E4E76646823110 wrote:
Once again JOG - I am not calling you anything, I am not calling any one else anything either. I am calling the Kock brother copted, Norqvist pledge signing "political activists" TEA Baggers. No one is assigning that to you. 003E3F33213D3C520 wrote:
The US is not immune ... it will not be the first. Or second, or third or 4th ... and you see its like being chased by a bear. After 2-3-4 the bear will not be hungry anymore and it will stop to sleep. If the collapse starts to happen, the world economic powers will crank on sheiete so hard it will stop well before we get eaten. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/13 at 12:17:42 No, we will not be spared. We are the plum & the main target. Thje globalists want to bankrupt everyone, they want it all, for pennies on the dollar., |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/11/13 at 12:45:23 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
Yup, the Bilderber's are comming to get us. First they corrupt out kids by having those make your own Build-er-bear everywhere, then the teenage girls get corrupted by the Bie-ber, and then we're all doomed. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/13 at 13:16:57 So, when did you first admit the B/bergers even exist? |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/12/13 at 07:59:15 495650574A4D7C4C7C44565A11230 wrote:
There are work shops everywhere, and they start by getting the young'uns. "Where Best friends are made" they said. Build-der-bear first, then the teenage girls get addicted to the Bei-ber Which is just the twitter way of saying Build-de-bear. They will soon take over the world. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/13 at 08:33:32 What in the world are ytou saying? I asked you, WHEN did you come to grips with the factr that the Bilderbergers exist? |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/12/13 at 09:31:03 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
The Build-er-bear and the Bie-ber are just manifestations of the Builderbergs. You may want to google them ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/13 at 10:36:32 I asked YOU when YOU became aware they exist, Or.Maybe they dont? |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/12/13 at 11:51:27 302F292E33340535053D2F23685A0 wrote:
Build-abear - I've known of them since 2004 or 5. They have a nice store in the walmart ... very nice. That one covers all the kids. They love that. The Bie-ber version of it I guess since 1996 or 7 ... 18 or so yr old right. That one covers pre teen and teen girls. They scream and go crazy. Its the end of the world man. Jesus is comming. Look busy. Buddha is comming too. Look @ peace. Mohammed is comming. Look angry and about to go ape-sheite. The devil is comming. Look like you're gay. Cos cheney is pro ghey, cos his daughter is. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/13 at 11:52:58 WHY are you being such an ASS? Im trying to have a discussion & youre just being an absolute JERK,, WHY? |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/12/13 at 12:00:25 7F6066617C7B4A7A4A72606C27150 wrote:
And this is your idea of having a discussion ... 697670776A6D5C6C5C64767A31030 wrote:
That ship has sailed. And this is not the first time you have called me this. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/13 at 12:13:40 Becasue youre DODGING the question, |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by srinath on 06/12/13 at 12:42:10 66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
You're whining and complaining and "Blaming both sides" when Bushies mistake is pointed out, and claiming we need hold feet to fire or fire to feet or something ... And yea the Buid-er-bears did it. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: Its OK To Love Your Country, Distrust Your Gov Post by Starlifter on 06/12/13 at 16:47:15 For those of us on the left, we believe the Bilderberg group is conspiring to impose a capitalist domination to rule the USA. For those of you on the right, the Bilderberg group is conspiring to impose a world government ("New World Order"), and a controlled (by them) economy. We are ALL, left and right, united in opposing these anti-American, anti-constitution, money and power grubbing criminals who would destroy America to achieve their objectives, $$$$$. <snip> Denis Healey, a Bilderberg group founder and, for 30 years, a steering committee member, said: "To say we were striving for a one-world government is partially correct. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing, and that is our objective. ******************************************** Heh, oh yes, the "New World Order". ******************************************************* "When people say this is a secret government of the world, I say nonsense. If we were a secret government of the world we should be bloody ashamed of ourselves". *************************************** Ha ha, yeah sure...(rolling eyes). *************************************** In a 1994 report "Right Wing "populists", published by the Political Research Associates investigative journalist Chip Berlet argued that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about the Bilderberg group date back as early as 1964 and can be found in Schlafly's self-published book A "Choice, Not An Echo", which promoted a conspiracy theory in which the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger group, whose internationalist policies would pave the way for world domination. ********************************** Yikes!...and so it goes. |
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