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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> trouble with valves and feeler gauges /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1369842954 Message started by strang on 05/29/13 at 08:55:54 |
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Title: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by strang on 05/29/13 at 08:55:54 Man I had a hell of a time checking over my valves today. I don't have a problem finding TDC as I've done it on a couple of bikes and understand the principle. Plus Verslagen's write up is very helpful. There was a small amount of play but I really could not get an accurate reading with the feeler guages as it's all just so bloody cramped and awkward to get them positioned! I really think someone was smoking something the day Suzuki designed the spark plug and valve positioning. Any tips on getting the darn feeler gauges in easier? Do I need the ones that are a slight V shape? |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/13 at 09:04:22 I remove the blade from the set & bend it into a Z shape with a Ski Tip bend on the end. Easiest way is loosen the adjuster & slip the feeler in & do the adjustment. A 90* flat blade to hold the adjuster while the jam nut gets snugged makes it easier, |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Paraquat on 05/29/13 at 09:09:37 They sell angled feeler gauges. Also, as a machinist, I've gotten feeler gage by the foot. http://www.mcmaster.com/#feeler-gauges/=myn162 Should be easier to get that foot long ribbon in there than the whole handheld set. --Steve |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Dave on 05/29/13 at 09:16:13 I bought feeler gauge material from Grainger.....and bent it like this: |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/13 at 09:33:35 That bent one is almost IGGzaklee how I do mine. Just take the screw out of the pack & pull the ones I want, bend about like that and I add a little bend in the very tip, like a ski. I also have a mini mag lite & magnet at hand & of course the 10 MM & the offset slot driver |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by apache snow on 05/29/13 at 09:59:57 Yeah, I just took the .004 and .005 out and bent the end a little. I make sure the four goes in but the five doesn't. I don't have any trouble getting the feeler gage under there though. Of course I've done this a few times. :) |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Dane Allen on 05/29/13 at 11:38:03 Just went through this yesterday. It's one cylinder!! They couldn't put the valve ports on the sides under the chrome vanity covers??? I probably make it harder than it needs to be because I do both valves at the same time with two guages. Tightening the nut also moves the stud slightly so I leave the guages in place, adjust and tighten until they feel the same or very similar resistance. Could be the OCD ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Dave on 05/29/13 at 11:43:51 52777873577A7A7378160 wrote:
Yep.....it is good to get them as close as possible to being the same. IF you don't......you get tic-tic....tic-tic.......tic-tic instead of tic....tic....tic. |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Dane Allen on 05/29/13 at 11:47:24 32090413020E151308000D12610 wrote:
Yep.....it is good to get them as close as possible to being the same. IF you don't......you get tic-tic....tic-tic.......tic-tic instead of tic....tic....tic.[/quote] ;D ;D ;D I'm such a noob!!! I've been trying to eliminate the tics!! ;D |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/13 at 12:00:20 It otta sound kinda like a sewin machine,, |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Dave on 05/29/13 at 12:01:25 5D78777C5875757C77190 wrote:
Yep.....it is good to get them as close as possible to being the same. IF you don't......you get tic-tic....tic-tic.......tic-tic instead of tic....tic....tic.[/quote] ;D ;D ;D I'm such a noob!!! I've been trying to eliminate the tics!! ;D[/quote] Your goal is to turn ....TICKA......TICKA.....TICKA...into tic....tic....tic. |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Dane Allen on 05/29/13 at 12:14:11 48737E6978746F69727A77681B0 wrote:
Yep.....it is good to get them as close as possible to being the same. IF you don't......you get tic-tic....tic-tic.......tic-tic instead of tic....tic....tic.[/quote] ;D ;D ;D I'm such a noob!!! I've been trying to eliminate the tics!! ;D[/quote] Your goal is to turn ....TICKA......TICKA.....TICKA...into tic....tic....tic.[/quote] Ok, thanks!! That I have done :) |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by strang on 05/29/13 at 14:21:05 thanks this is real helpful - have just ordered the feeler guage material and angled 90 screwdriver. What kind of offset wrench is recommended? this one http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l432/mike_odonovan/T2eC16VHJIYE9qUcNkmBRVFd1vBJw60_1.jpg (http://s330.photobucket.com/user/mike_odonovan/media/T2eC16VHJIYE9qUcNkmBRVFd1vBJw60_1.jpg.html) or more extreme like this one http://i330.photobucket.com/albums/l432/mike_odonovan/KGrHqJkwFBVKMfvwGBQoipzZKw60_1.jpg (http://s330.photobucket.com/user/mike_odonovan/media/KGrHqJkwFBVKMfvwGBQoipzZKw60_1.jpg.html) Happy to assemble the right tools for the job as really enjoying riding my savage at the moment and want to keep her happy :) |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/29/13 at 14:41:12 If I had one like the lower pic Id probably cut it in half. That drop would make things real easy. A regular combination end wrench is cocked up, but will do the trick, but, the drop end is much nicer.. You can get an offset screwdriver at sears,mite even get that wrench,, |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by 45acp on 05/29/13 at 18:46:28 i bought a wrench like the bottom one at sears. 10 bucks and it worked great. way better than a regular wrench. ;) |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Digger on 05/29/13 at 20:53:56 I use the Motion Pro feeler gauges: http://https://ff3d8e6495061f28a832-a7869bbdcfcea96a643a5d6aa79482f7.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/items/08-0393.jpg (http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0393/) I like 'em! |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/13 at 08:47:52 Does look like theyd just slip right on in there AND that rigid center would make "working" them back & forth, feeling the drag a lot easier than a Z shape bent in a ribbon.. |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Dane Allen on 05/30/13 at 14:28:11 705D53535146340 wrote:
This is what I use two at a time but the intake valves at the back are a real pregnant dog!! Update: ;D ;D ;D Oh, silly curse word spell check!!! |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by verslagen1 on 05/30/13 at 14:59:24 51747B70547979707B150 wrote:
Yep, itsa b!tch |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by strang on 05/31/13 at 04:09:11 yeh the motion pro feelers are cool - but really the price! They should get together with the suzuki spark plug/valve access designers and all smoke something. Anyway I'm gonna have a go at making one of those motion pro things as I want two of them. Been racking my brain to think of something easily available and ready made that i can use as the holding stick thing. Might try a couple of tongue depressors ;D or meccano? ;D Whats the motion pro holder made from? If i can get the right size stick thingy I figure i can just pop rivet the feeler gauge at each end and done. Probably take unexpected hours of focking around but what else have I go to do... |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by Digger on 05/31/13 at 18:45:33 333432212E27400 wrote:
The middle span of the Motion Pro feeler gauges is made from steel bar stock. IHTH! |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/31/13 at 20:26:53 If a fella was gonna try to make hizzown the stuff that could go in th middle is just about unlimited;. Be harder gettin a clean hole in the feeler gauge than finding something good to rivet it to, |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by strang on 02/08/14 at 07:46:49 This is what I ended up with for a little valve tool kit. Feeler strips stuck to alloy strips with double sided foam tape, 90 screwdriver cut in half, off-set wrench. Blue masking tape is just so I could write the thickness on them. Suzuki didn't make it easy! |
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Title: Re: trouble with valves and feeler gauges Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/08/14 at 08:53:01 Thats a pretty fine science project,.,I just took the blades outta the packet & bent them to go in, Hey,, whatevvah works,, |
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