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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Stator wiring? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1369768822 Message started by Boogieman on 05/28/13 at 12:19:55 |
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Title: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/28/13 at 12:19:55 So i finally found out what is really going on with my bike. thanks to Versy for showing me it was an electrical problem. basically one of the first things my brother and I did on this bike when I got it was replaced the stator because we thought that was causing the dying on the freeway problem (which was actually caused by improper jetting). we ended up in a situation where we didn't know what wires from the stator connected to what wires from the voltage regulator or whether it even mattered. I'm in the same situation now because those wires burned up, probably because we didn't hook it up right. you might not see in the picture but that connector I'm holding that still has wires attached to it is spliced to the wires coming from the regulator. even though it fried the connectors downstream that splicing is probably wrong. So any of yall know how how to go about fixing this?¿? |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Serowbot on 05/28/13 at 12:58:48 The three yellow wires?... I don't think it makes any difference which is which on the connector... all three, just deliver AC voltage... ...(at least,.. I hope not)... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Dane Allen on 05/28/13 at 13:29:00 Yeah, that is a problem. Can you wait till we do the valve adjustment in a couple weeks? I have the wiring diagrams in the Clymers book, otherwise maybe the other members can give an idea what you need to do based on what circuits you have remaining. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/28/13 at 14:33:16 Each individual wire can be removed from the "plug" by tripping the retainer. YOu can rebuild the connector unless the plastic is melted, |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/28/13 at 15:13:55 nah she's my only transportation so I gotta fix her tonight. all I was really wondering is whether it mattered what wires want to what. I called some bike mechanics and they telling me it dont matter jst like serowbot sugested. so lets cross our fingers hahah |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/13 at 15:17:02 This is going to take some thinking. When you're home, put it on a charger till we work it out. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/13 at 18:43:03 here's what I got for the charging circuit wiring... http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Circuits/'96-'03 Charging circuit.JPG pretty simple... eh? and it doesn't matter which wire goes where. you should have continuity (low resistance) between any 2 wires coming from the stator. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/13 at 18:47:12 next... open circuit voltage. disconnect the plug with all the yellow wires and connect any 2 circuits with a voltmeter set above 100 volts ac. start her up and rev it up, you should get more than 100v each pairs of wires at 5000 rpm. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/28/13 at 18:49:34 next... regulator. check the resistance on the yellow wires of the regulator. any 2 should be greater than 1 k ohm. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/29/13 at 16:14:13 Awesome Versy! I got it started the other night after I worked on it and ran around the freeway just chargin the battery a bit. I don't have a motorcycle battery charger, or any battery charger for that matter. anyway the batteries got sufficient charge to just start right up. Ok there is continuity between any two wires coming from the stator - good. When I started it up and connect any two wires from the stator then throttled it up, I got increasing voltage all the way up till about 90-something vac. I don't have a tachometer but the higher I throttled it the more voltage the stator pumped out. I had my head right next to the engine so I might not have gotten it all the way up to 5000. so I think that's good - good I couldn't get any resistance from the regulator whether the bike was on or not. I set my voltmeter till it read kohms like you said and couldn't read anything from the regulator but could read the resistance from one of my hands to the other. so is my regulator pooped? |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/13 at 17:00:04 so you got a whole lotta resistance, not zero resistance right? that's ok. ok, here's the whole thing... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1245984387 |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/29/13 at 17:37:05 Right yes infinite resistance. I followed that link but I'll never be able to understand that kinda number crunchin stuff. Numbers fall outta boogermans head. I'm trying to wrap my head around why the regulator would be bad if my battery was charging while the engine is running. I mean after a quick putt this morning around the neighborhood with what I did jammin on the freeway last night and my bike starts up just fine. I would almost be afraid that it's charging too much and is going to fry my battery and that's why my wires fried. I don't know, maybe not, what do I do now?¿ |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/13 at 17:43:23 are you getting 14 to 15 volts when you rev it up? |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/29/13 at 19:06:22 No actually the voltage goes down. its starts off 13.xx vac then when i rev it on up it goes down in the 12volt range. wtf? actually the more i think bout it the more i suspect it to b a prob with timing. the more i think bout timing the more i suspect that this thing on the wiring diagram called an ignighter my have gotten damaged when the wires burnt up, or possibly the pickup next to the stator. does that pickup have an adjustment that could come loose and change the timing? |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/13 at 19:17:38 you gotta orange and a green wire for the pickup going to the CDI. the regulator doesn't connect to the CDI at all. suspect that you got a bad regulator. check all your wires and it's possible, the discharged battery might be keeping it from it's maximum voltage. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/30/13 at 12:13:49 so you're saying it's gotta be within the charging system because of the burnt up wires coming from the stator to the regulator, and if the stator is pumping out the proper voltage but the battery's voltage doesn't rise when you rev it then it's gotta be the regulator. but if I can ride around and have the battery charge up on me then that must be working somewhat right? alright I'll double check my wiring. I wonder if Dane would let me use his battery for a minute to see if that's the problem or not. if the battery is not the prob, a regulator from the manufacturer is almost $200. Ricks Motorsports in Texas makes one for like $110. is that a good price or something it seems a bit much? |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Dane Allen on 05/30/13 at 14:21:19 313C3C343A363E323D530 wrote:
Yeah, we can try that. Also, I think stator doesn't have a proper voltage as that is the point of the voltage regulator(keeps power level), which converts the D/C from the battery to A/C that the starter motor and loghts use. Update: http://www.electrosport.com/technical-resources/technical-articles/motorcycle-stators |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/30/13 at 14:26:38 alright cool Dane thnx. i'll txt ya |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/30/13 at 15:06:16 7F5A555E7A57575E553B0 wrote:
You'll have come on over again, we'll swap one out from the extra bike to confirm that's what's bad. And we'll go for that ride you guys promised me. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Dane Allen on 05/30/13 at 15:33:11 687B6C6D727F797B702F1E0 wrote:
You'll have come on over again, we'll swap one out from the extra bike to confirm that's what's bad. And we'll go for that ride you guys promised me. 8-)[/quote] Thanks for setting me straight!! And count me in for the next wrench session and ride!! |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 10:40:29 awesome count me in. jst let us know when ur ready. im gonna swap my batt with a friends bike and see if its a batt problem. that will work right? or do i still not understand how the charging system works? or maybe u mean swap the rectifier/regulator. anyway jst let me know and i'll ride out. hell i'll ride out this weekend if u got time. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/13 at 11:56:40 I got fatherly duties on saturday, but could fit you in between. Sunday, I'll be out your way for the day to take care of my parents. could meet up with you either day. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 12:29:54 Great, thank you! |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Dane Allen on 05/31/13 at 15:32:20 706374756A6761636837060 wrote:
I will be in town Sunday so if that is the day then count me in!! |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 15:57:56 Will do Dane, you're always welcome in my home. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/31/13 at 16:41:11 404D4D454B474F434C220 wrote:
Print that out & show up drunk, dirty & hungry at 2 A.M. on a weeknight.. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/13 at 16:57:43 Sunday afternoon, boogies house Can't stay long and may have rug rats in tow |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 17:03:31 cool no worries, u have well behaved rugrats. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 18:28:55 huh... you know what versy I guess I didn't check my wires. I've been staring at my bike for like an hour and a half now and I just realized that there's no orange wire coming from the regulator, jst the blkwht and the red. there's a spot for another wire on the connector and there is an orange with black tracer wire coming out of the other side of that connector. unless that orange wire comes from some magical spot on the regulator that I can't find, I don't believe there is even a spot for an orange wire. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 18:33:12 I wonder if I have the wrong regulator... |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/13 at 18:38:01 the colors vary a bit. you got volt meter? |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 18:41:12 yes i have a quality multi-meter right here next to me. how do i test? |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/13 at 18:51:29 |-----|--R--|--Y1-|--Y2-|--Y3-|-B/W-|-O/B-| |--R--| | inf | inf | inf | inf | inf | |--Y1-| 3.0 | | inf | inf | inf | inf | |--Y2-| 3.0 | inf | | inf | inf | inf | |--Y3-| 3.0 | inf | inf | | inf | inf | |-B/W-| 7.5 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | | 4.5 | |-O/B-| 60 | 40 | 40 | 40 | 28 | | Is there 3 wires here? or just 2? http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Circuits/boogies-rectumfryer.jpg |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by Boogieman on 05/31/13 at 19:01:17 there are three wires connecting to the stator, and the other two wires (a blkwhite and a red) go into that connector at the bottom of the pic. |
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Title: Re: Stator wiring? Post by verslagen1 on 05/31/13 at 20:53:45 well, it's like mine so should be fine. |
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