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Message started by PMo85 on 05/14/13 at 13:04:00

Title: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by PMo85 on 05/14/13 at 13:04:00

I recently purchased a 2013 S40 (Feb) and have only changed 3 things on the first oil change @ 750 miles
K&N Oil Filter
NGK DPR8EIX-9 Iridium IX Spark Plug
Motul 300V 4T Full Synthetic Double Ester Oil

Bike was running amazing after that

A friend of mine was cruising the bike when he had stopped in 3rd gear & tried to take off again without down shifting. He stalled the bike & while still rolling started it back uo, down shifted & rolled on

Since then there seems to be a higher pitched "tick tick tick tick" noises the whole time. I haven't noticed any real change in performance but being a noob to riding & owning a bike I am a little concerned :-/

Any thoughts or is this just something that happens after the breaking period?

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by PMo85 on 05/14/13 at 13:36:40

Also for got to add that it is not real loud. It is relatively slight however, I know the sound was not there from the start

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by Dane Allen on 05/14/13 at 14:08:16

I don't want to get in the way of the experienced members but I wanted to put these recommended oil links for you to review, just in case. I don't recognize your oil, that's all.

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471408

Also, a cardinal rule, no one rides your bike but you ;D ;D ;D

Bogging down a new engine is not preferable from what I have read here from the seasoned riders... :(

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by Serowbot on 05/14/13 at 14:34:12

I doubt if what your friend did, would cause any trouble...

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by PMo85 on 05/14/13 at 14:47:30

Dane

The Motul is a Full Synthetic über high temp racing oil for motorcycles. The temps in west Texas get upwards of 110°

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by Steve H on 05/14/13 at 15:49:45

Maybe a valve ticking just a little?

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by 87 savage on 05/14/13 at 16:00:12

4A6F606B4F62626B600E0 wrote:

Also, a cardinal rule, no one rides your bike but you ;D ;D ;D

+1 Especially a new bike! Always seems to be when something bad happens :o

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by Dane Allen on 05/14/13 at 16:40:36

465B792E23160 wrote:

Dane

The Motul is a Full Synthetic über high temp racing oil for motorcycles. The temps in west Texas get upwards of 110°

I guessed as much, I just got my bike in March and am new to the site as well. I have discovered being on the wrong side of topics such as oil, tire pressure and something called Seafoam can lead to stabbing ;D ;D ;D

The links talk about the specific needs of the Savage engine having to do with the tappet valves and such. Definitely worth a quick review. Have a great day!!

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by Boofer on 05/14/13 at 21:36:11

They's a lot of big stuff turning inside the LS. I lean down behind the windshield when it is safe around 60mph, raise my face shield and listen to the sewing machine under the tank. Now when I think I hear something I just do that and continue on. I will say that that Rotella made my valve train quieter, but the Castrol worked fine before, so I don't care. I received a PM from another member who said Rotella seemed to make his quieter. We didn't talk heat, speed, zinc, etc. Just personal experience. :)

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by wambr on 05/14/13 at 23:26:28

the most likely reason ticking sound in the engine-this oil Motul ... in last year I used in my Savage semi-synthetic Motul 10W40. and there was a very similar situation...the engine was very loud and unusually noisy...

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by ToesNose on 05/15/13 at 04:56:09

I know that Motul 300v competition has 1200ppm of ZDDP, but the only data sheets I could find for Motul 300V 4T Full Synthetic didn't have ZDDP listed. PMo85 try to find out if the 300 4T has ZDDP and if so what it's levels are, it's been debated as to what the minimum ZDDP ppm is needed for the LS650 ranging from 800ppm to 1500ppm.

I spend 10 minutes trying to find ZDDP info on the Motul 300 4T and couldn't find any on any discussions or data sheets I found on that specific oil.

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by Dave on 05/15/13 at 06:19:29

Is the Motul oil you are using a 5w-30? I looked onlie and that is the oil viscosity that was listed for the Motul 300V.

If so.....I am not surprised tha the ticking increased somewhat if the previous oil as a 10W-40. Also with your bike being new and the clearances changing as the parts break-in, the engine is likelly to need the valve lash adjusted to make things like they used to be.

I assume it is still under warranty.......so just ride it and put some miles on it......and don't focus on the little Tic,Tic, Tick, Tac that the engine makes. These are big, primitive parts and they do make some noise. I had a Kawasaki 250 enduro before the Savage....and the engine on it was incredibly siilent compared to the Savage.

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by PMo85 on 05/15/13 at 08:09:57

Thank you all for the great advice. I'm pretty sure that you all hit the nail on the head with the oil. It contains 0 ZDDP per the MSDS and everything else I could find. I'm going to use the Red Line Booster with my upcoming oil change. I'll let you all know the results

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by apache snow on 05/15/13 at 08:11:41

6C715304093C0 wrote:

Also what is the viscosity of the oil you are using?

ZDDP is Zinc dialkyldithiophosphates. And it has some. All oils have it. Many do not have enough for the Suzuki savage, S40.

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/13 at 08:29:25

677A580F02370 wrote:

It contains 0 ZDDP per the MSDS and everything else I could find.

ZDDP might not show up on the MSDS as ZDDP, but might as Zinc, Phospherous and some other crap.

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by apache snow on 05/15/13 at 08:35:41

Heres a UOA on Motul 300V 4T 5W40 shows phrosphrous at 858 and zinc at 921.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2057989

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by Trippah on 05/15/13 at 08:43:48

What is that large greenish reptile behind you???Ride away fast..

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by PMo85 on 05/15/13 at 14:00:18

Heres a UOA on Motul 300V 4T 5W40 shows phrosphrous at 858 and zinc at 921.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2057989[/quote]

The viscosity I'm running is 15W50. Is that too high?

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by PMo85 on 05/15/13 at 14:46:35

So I spoke to the Tech Guy at Motul and he gave me the 411 on the 300V 4T Double Ester 15W50 oil

While the levels of ZDDP are not as high as others the Ester technology takes the place of the 1200-1800 ppm ZDDP required/preferred for our bikes

It is made for high pressure, high heat & heavy loads associated with racing and flat tappet "old school" motors

After speaking with him I don't think my problem is the oil so I will definitely look into the post break-in valve adjustments

Title: Re: TICK TICK TICK Noise
Post by verslagen1 on 05/15/13 at 15:12:45

Your head will run hotter with 50 wt. due to the reduced flow.
and with syn, we don't have to worry about thinning at high temp
so I run 5w40 RotSyn all the time.
5-15w40 syn of any kind should be fine.