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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> new here, and i have an issue with an older savage /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1367962591 Message started by josh.wingo on 05/07/13 at 14:36:31 |
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Title: new here, and i have an issue with an older savage Post by josh.wingo on 05/07/13 at 14:36:31 hello all, im sure this has been covered somewhere but im having some problems that i can't quite figure out. i have a 1995 suzuki savage, makuni carb. bike is 100% stock besides the exhaust. ive owned the bike for over a year now, and has ran fine until recently (right after i finished all the body work and got it back together). issue im having is as follows: when starting the bike, it idles fine. if i pull the choke out, the rpms will drop rather than increase. also, with the choke in, after i get in the higher rpms in each gear, she will cut out, sputter, and basically skip. if i leave the choke out, she runs alot better at higher rpms, but will still stutter at the top of each gear. struggles to get to 60 mph. here is a list of what ive tried: new air filter checked all of the boots for leaks, no leaks no fuel in airbox removed carb, cleaned it and all the jets. ran the vacuum line troubleshoot to test my petcock, i got no result by closing the vacuum lines. remove air cut-off valve, replaced with new, and even tried a washer in it. im stuck at this point. if anyone has any ideas ill try anything. trying to get it worked out so i can sell her. so long as i quit getting attached to it. thanks all, joshua |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by verslagen1 on 05/07/13 at 14:56:10 check the slider diaphragm and spring, newb's don't always get them to seat right. all stock except exhaust? wassup? what jets are you running? There are 3 positions on the choke, all the way out, halfway, and all the way in. halfway should give idle speed increase. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 05/07/13 at 15:00:46 the original pipe it had was rusting out and falling off, so it got a dyna fish tail conversion, however, the carb has not been changed for this pipe. but it ran fine for almost a year like that, just a little rich. yes, the half pull on the choke brings up the rpms, but if i fully pull it out, it drops to almost dying, then will eventually rev back up after sitting for a bit. i checked the diaphram on the top of the carb, had to reseat it twice myself to make sure i got it right. as for the jets, that are stock. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by 87 savage on 05/07/13 at 17:07:36 30352932742D33343D355A0 wrote:
The symptoms you describe sound like fuel starvation, a classic faulty petcock issue. If we can try one possibility at a time, then quick test drive. Hopefully that way you can systematically get it running right. :) |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 05/07/13 at 17:50:20 yes sir, i did plug both the line itself coming from the petcock, and the nipple from the carb. and yes, sorry. i am referring to the TEV. i had a second carb that had a good one in it. no rips or pin holes that i could find. i tried both of the above seperately. did the vacuum lines first, then went to the TEV from there. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 05/07/13 at 17:56:41 something i may want to mention. i did not have an issue with this bike until i removed the tank and painted it. in the process, the petcock was removed, and probably sat on a shelf for a few weeks. after i put it all back together, it ran fine for a few days. then this began. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by Serowbot on 05/07/13 at 18:28:31 Something odd here... Low speed symptoms say too rich,.. high speed has lean symptoms... Our "choke" BTW,.. is actually an enrichment valve... (It adds some fuel, rather than blocking some air)...(similar effect,.. just going at it from the other end)... ..."choke" is easier to type... ;D... ... and this seems to have come from some work you did... Basically,.. fuel delivery seems to be off balance... ...(which sounds like a slide problem... that's the only part that is moving,.. besides the throttle plate)... I would double check that it is moving up and down smoothly... they can sometimes get a tacky build-up on them... :-?... |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 05/07/13 at 18:57:33 we are talking the big black slide piece that the spring pushes down on correct? if so, ive already checked, and has no issues whatsoever, especially after i gutted and cleaned out the carb just after this occured. it is seating correctly, all seals are intact, and it slides up and down without any hesitation. only work i did to the bike prior to this issue was remove all the sheet metal, and repaint it. then re-installed. im kind of leaning to the petcock at this point, because its the only thing that i cant be 100% sure of, and the only thing i removed before this issue occured. plus if i replace it, i wont have to worry about it being a pain in the ass to take the tank off again if need be ;D pardon my lovely, idiotic technical terms. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by 87 savage on 05/08/13 at 01:51:19 Just reread and saw where you said it ran ok for a few days after painting. I would try a new spark plug. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 05/08/13 at 05:18:11 ill check the plugs this evening. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/11/13 at 14:23:19 sorry for the wait, got busy with an old goldwing. replaced the plugged and made no difference, so i went ahead and ordered a new petcock, it showed up yesterday, so ill get around to installing it at some point. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/11/13 at 14:53:11 NO! Return it, unopened, get a Raptor. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 09:18:22 i guess i should have specified. i ordered a raptor petcock. i installed it today, and it made absolutely no difference. yes, i remember to plug the vacuum hole on the carb ;D. any other suggestions? im getting kind of fed up with it after ive done all the work to it. anyone want to buy a problem child savage???? LOL |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by EJID on 06/12/13 at 09:24:21 6D68746F29706E696068070 wrote:
Where are you located? :-/ Maybe another board member is close by. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 09:52:51 located in effingham kansas, northeast corner of the state, by atchison and topeka. thought some of you might be interested in what she looks like so here she is! |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 09:53:11 and the other side |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by groupus on 06/12/13 at 11:55:45 TWO savages, he has :o and that looks like a gl1100 with some kind of harley pipes and fender. I have a naked gl1000 with 1100 carbs, dyna coils, and jardine headers. a pain to sync 4 carbs but goes like stink. ;D Do I also see savage turn signals on the front of that wing? 63667A61277E60676E66090 wrote:
To me, it sounds like the idle circuit is fine, maybe a little rich. The soot on your rear brake cable also suggests it is rich. It should die some with the choke all the way out in warmer weather. I only need to use full choke when it is very cold and none at all in the summer. You could tune the air screw leaner, but you might experience more backfire. How long did you have it apart to paint? Is it significantly warmer now than when it ran ok? Dying in the higher rpms implicates the main jet. What is your stock size? With a new filter and different exhaust, it might not be enough now. Maybe the filter is not seated right, allowing more air in. That would be most apparent at high rpm where it is sucking more air in. Also, could some little bit of junk gotten down there and blocked the jet while you were taking the tank on and off? I don't suspect it was the petcock because it would not be draining the carb bowl that fast by just touching the higher rpm between gear shifts, but you've got that replaced now. Disclaimer: This is just like, my opinion, man. I have been known to be wrong before, but don't tell my girlfriend. :P |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/13 at 12:11:25 PLay with the choke while youre riding,, see how it acts at different speeds, gears. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 12:18:14 yes i have two of them, the one in the back is a late 80s model that i dont have a title on, so it is being parted out. yeah the gl1100 in the back is my baby, i wrecked it a few years ago and now its finally reaching its finished stage. no, those are some aftermarket turn signals i found on amazon for less than 20 bucks for a set of 4, they are killer looking though. the pipe was on it before i took everything apart, and it was running fine then, with a crappy air filter in it. i checked the filter, it is seated correctly. it probably is running rich, i get a back fire every now and then but not often. yeah, the rpm's drop when i pull the choke out. i took all the skins off of it maybe 4 months ago, had them painted in back on in about 2 months i think. it is much warmer now than it was when it ran fine, but when i bought the bike it was mid summer and hot then and ran fine then. as for stock size on the jet, i have no idea. i dont like messing with carbs because im not very experienced with it, i may have even missed a jet somewhere when i cleaned it last time. the inside of the tank isnt the greatest looking, and i imagine while sanding and moving the tank around i broke loose some crap in the tank. i began thinking maybe im hitting the revv limiter, but that would mean something has gone bad to cause my revv limiter to cut out at a lower rpm than previously. and if that was the case, wouldnt it also do it in neutral? i just dont quite understand why whilst in neutral and i redline it with no issues, but i can barely even use each gear while riding before it starts to cut out. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/12/13 at 12:25:41 An engine that revs up in neutral but not under load is starved for fuel, |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 12:26:30 so the petcock has been dealt with, looks like im going to have to remove that darn carb again. maybe ill take it to someone who knows what they are doing LOL |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by apache snow on 06/12/13 at 12:29:22 Not that much too it. :) http://imgur.com/a/knj1F |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 12:37:24 yeah, but ive taken it apart before, and thought i had cleaned it, but it made no difference. local shop here wants 65 bucks to take it apart and boil it. i dont think thats too bad really. im just worried that something else is wrong and i could be wasting money. especially considering im trying to get it running right so i can sell it. |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 12:44:25 also, what jet would i need to replace to compensate for the new pipe? and what size would ya'll suggest? |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by groupus on 06/12/13 at 13:23:58 You can't miss the main jet if you have the carb open, its the biggest one there, staring right at you. Mine was a 143 (?) stock and i replaced it with a 150 with just a harley slash cut and everything else stock. Ran great and got the best mpg ever. This carb is simple enough that you can fully clean it easily yourself. Save the money to get a good case of beer as a reward. FYI, no rev limiter on this bike, so be careful. :-/ |
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Title: Re: new here, and i have an issue with an older sa Post by josh.wingo on 06/12/13 at 15:49:48 yeah after doing some research myself i come to find the lack of limiter. think ill just buy a rebuild kit for the carb while im at it, replace the main jet, and clean the hell out of everything one more time. if it still runs like crap after that, it'll become cannon fodder ;D |
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