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Title: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Wayneg561 on 05/06/13 at 12:04:27 Hello everyone, I am having a major problem with my 86 Savage. Whenever the bike warms up to running temperature I lose spark to my spark plug. I just got my baby back from the mechanic who has had it for 6 months and could not figure out the problem. I am about to tackle this project myself and if I could get help narrowing it down to the one part that needs replacing it would be greatly appreciated. I was thinking I might have to get a new main harness because that is the only part of the electrical system that looks bad to me. I don't know if this is relevant but before I sent the bike to the shop it would start turning over as soon as the battery is hooked up with no key in the ignition or anything. The mechanic never mentioned the bike doing so when he had it so I don't know. He only said that when he test drove it that it would lose spark when the bike heats up. Please help! |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by apache snow on 05/06/13 at 12:12:36 I have seen coils when they start going bad break down when they heat up. I guess the igniter box could do the same thing. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Dave on 05/06/13 at 12:29:58 It could be a lot of things. The first thing I would do is wire a small light bulb into the red wire on the coil, and run the other end to a ground. The light should be on whenever the coil is getting power. This will show you if power is going to the coil.....and if any of the safety circuit is taking the power away from the coil as things heat up. If that does not change - then you need to look at the other side of the coil toward the igniter side......not sure how to test that...maybe there is a test process in the manual....I will look. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by SALB on 05/06/13 at 12:45:53 "I don't know if this is relevant but before I sent the bike to the shop it would start turning over as soon as the battery is hooked up with no key in the ignition or anything." It seems as if another member had a similar problem last summer or fall. :-/ Anyone remember or possibly have a link? |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by verslagen1 on 05/06/13 at 12:54:29 2B282B3F29212F4A0 wrote:
I think that was the decomp controller that went bluey. maybe "ghost start" will find something here you go... http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1345089927/0#0 |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Wayneg561 on 05/06/13 at 13:26:01 Thanks guys I checked out the decomp controller post and if the ghost starting happens again I know what to do, my main concern is keeping spark when the bike warms up. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by verslagen1 on 05/06/13 at 13:56:06 keep in mind that if you leave the power on all night, it's possible to burn out your CDI. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1293638302/0 |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Wayneg561 on 05/06/13 at 15:18:33 Ok I checked the cdi looks like brand new here is some pics and I also I included a wiring harness pic so yall can see the kind of mess that I have to work with, it seems the guy who had the bike before me chopped the harness up to holy hell. http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s501/wayneg561/Img_130506180504_zps0de3f46c.jpg (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/wayneg561/media/Img_130506180504_zps0de3f46c.jpg.html) http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s501/wayneg561/Img_130506180417_zps8d2bd74d.jpg (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/wayneg561/media/Img_130506180417_zps8d2bd74d.jpg.html) http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s501/wayneg561/Img_130506180401_zps3aff44df.jpg (http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/wayneg561/media/Img_130506180401_zps3aff44df.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by 87 savage on 05/06/13 at 15:33:18 Holy oxidation!! What happened to you engine side cover Wayne? Maybe you could find a wiring harness on ebay and start from scratch. Seems that would be easier than sorting out that mess of wires. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Wayneg561 on 05/06/13 at 15:37:18 Lmao yeh that happened while it was at the mechanic's place my tank has some funky stuff on it as well, I have no clue what it's from. I'm gonna CLR it after I get it fixed and ready to ride. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by 87 savage on 05/06/13 at 16:26:41 There is a wiring harness on ebay right now for 19.99 plus shipping. Not sure what year though. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Serowbot on 05/06/13 at 17:57:56 Jeepers!... that bike looks like it was parked under the pier for a while... Firstly,.. I'd jumper bypass the clutch, and sidestand cut-outs... (just to eliminate them from the power chain)... (you could put them back, later, after you find the cause)... It could be corrosion in one those switches... :-? :-?... |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Wayneg561 on 05/06/13 at 18:24:57 Yes the clutch and sidestand cut-offs were already eliminated, as well as the fuses from the previous owner. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by ToesNose on 05/06/13 at 18:50:46 272A2423343277717F7E460 wrote:
Just being close enough to the ocean can do that from the salt air, usually happens when the protective clear coat is missing or even worn down to minimal. I grew up in a sea side community and had it happen to bikes and cars. :( |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by 87 savage on 05/07/13 at 01:40:14 675C56407D5C4056330 wrote:
Bummer! The crankcase as well. Can that stuff be removed? :-? |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by ToesNose on 05/07/13 at 04:01:06 Yes but typically you wind up with some pitting unless you catch it just as it started to build up. :-[ |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Dave on 05/07/13 at 05:07:06 020F0106111752545A5B630 wrote:
Bummer! The crankcase as well. Can that stuff be removed? :-?[/quote] This engine is definitely a candidate for a painted crankcase and side covers, or a Rat Bike look where looks are not important. When corrosion goes that deep - I don't believe you will ever get it to buffed to shiny again. The corrosion makes little black pits and veins that goes really deep. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by Wayneg561 on 05/07/13 at 15:16:22 Yeh I was gonna go for a black case I love the chrome on black look. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by hotrodbobber on 05/09/13 at 02:05:08 Hi there, i would be very supprised if it was the loom, it seems to be something that changes when it gets hot , well the loom doesnt, i would check the coil, the little resistor IN the spark plug cap,the HT cable,(it gets hot because its near the head) (spark plug, of course you've done that) the controller, it may look ok but there are components that get warm in there, if the clutch and side stand have been bypassed, how? if not done right they will keep a relay on which cout fail when it gets warm. just a few things to try regards dave |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by 87 savage on 05/09/13 at 04:05:54 3C3D2D3B3D6C6E68580 wrote:
Yup, I agree. Good ideas on things to check. The reason I would replace the wiring harness though is because it is such a mess it would be difficult to troubleshoot being so disorganized. 86-88 and 95 models all use the same wiring harness. (and ignition controller) If Wayne could find one in decent condition with all the connectors intact, it sure would make this less complicated IMHO. :) |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by verslagen1 on 05/09/13 at 13:49:30 79747A7D6A6C292F2120180 wrote:
'86 has a different wiring diagrahm and there's a couple of things different than other years. |
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Title: Re: 86 Savage Electrical Issues Post by 87 savage on 05/09/13 at 19:29:25 6C7F6869767B7D7F742B1A0 wrote:
'86 has a different wiring diagrahm and there's a couple of things different than other years.[/quote] I don't doubt there are differences Verslagen, but, the harness is the same. http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/suzuki/SP-36610-24B20.html |
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