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Title: about time to change oil... Post by mtlsir on 05/04/13 at 05:29:10 Hi, yesterday i was worried by the fact i did seen anything in the small oil window, so i decider it was time to go buy a filter and some oil. My first thought was right, i had about 3/4 liter of black nasty oil. And the oil filter spring was missing, so i don't think that its really was filtering. worthless without pics :-[http://i79.servimg.com/u/f79/14/70/35/17/dsc00710.jpg |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/13 at 07:55:09 Thats ugly.. lousy deal about the spring, bummer. There is an O ring on the filter, too,, dont 4get that, |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by Gyrobob on 05/04/13 at 08:00:37 How much do new motors cost these days? |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by mtlsir on 05/04/13 at 10:12:59 as long as its running i don't look that, used one maybe worst than mine, yeah i've replaced the big oring and st smaller one 2. i had run it for 2 week home - work work home, now it run stronger |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by jjn on 05/05/13 at 11:37:53 Not a Savage/S40 owner yet myself. How far did you go between the oil change? On my air cooled bikes I used to change every 1000 miles. But, I'm 59 and have been riding since I was 8. Try changing the oil sooner. Black oil doesn't always mean bad things. I used to work on big freight hauling trucks for many years. Take one of those big pigs, replace the oil filters and the 8-14 gallons of oil, run the engine for a short time, and often, it will already look black in color. I think car and motorcycle makers are extending the suggested oil change intervals much farther than they used to be. A big single, though, seems to often make a fair amount of blowby which can dirty your oil in the crankcase. I'd try changing at 1000 miles to see how the oil looks next time. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by mtlsir on 05/05/13 at 15:36:57 i got it in march of this year, i've done my road exam with it and change my oil right after, previous owner said he had it change for at season begining. he said that he clock less than 3k km per year. maybe it was because of the humidity or some other factor. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by Oldfeller on 05/06/13 at 03:07:43 Oil change intervals have been well studied on the Savage. Start with Suzuki Standards as stated in the full service manual, they want you to change the oil every 3,000 to 5,000 miles (they assume a dino oil in this procedure as there weren't many synthetics out there in 1987). For many of us, that translates to changing the oil once a year. Here at SS.com we have recommended oils up in the Tech Section. We have recommended oils because the normal, off the shelf oils that were available (with enough ZDDP in them) in 1987 haven't been available for like 15 years now. The current off the shelf car oils are way way less than what our bike requires. An oil that CAN support our antique valve train is really sorta scarce now, and certainly isn't common off the shelf any more. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1344471565 All but the very first one of these recommended oils are full synthetics which could support extended drain intervals if our air filtration system also supported fine air filtration to match that extended drain interval. But we are stuck with a standard air filter system that allows too much silica (fine dust) to get into the oil over the course of more than one year, so no extended drain intervals for us. Shame that, the synthetic oils could do it but the air filter can't. So, buy oil off the recommended list and change it at least once a year (or more often if you just feel lead that way). This is where the state of the Savage oil change sits right now. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/13 at 10:18:19 My bike hardly uses any oil fight after a change. As the miles build, it uses a bit more. When it gets to where I need to add between needing gas, I change it. Usually, thats around 2,500 miles. I like Rotella-T, Dino. Its about $13.00 a gallon. Pretty reasonable / quart price that way. Got 20,000 miles on it. Its not making any threatening sounds, shifts like a dream. I say its gonna run a Looong time being cared for the way I do it. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by mtlsir on 05/06/13 at 19:08:14 ok, so the guy at suzuki has sold me the mineral suzuki motorcycle engine oil. So you are saying than he sold me some oil that doesn't have the right additives for my bike. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/13 at 19:50:23 IDK if its good for our valve train, thats someone elses brain, not mine. I DO know that Rotella T is just fine for them & costs 13 bux a gallon,. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by Oldfeller on 05/07/13 at 07:26:40 2E372F302A31430 wrote:
Yup, you got it ..... furthermore I will say your dealer's service and parts department doesn't even have a clue what your Savage really needs on a lot of other different fronts as well. This sounds harsh, but it gets proven out every spring with the new terror tales the new folks bring with them. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by WD on 05/07/13 at 07:57:55 My Savage has been with me through living in 3 different states in 15 years of ownership. It has been back to the dealer exactly twice in that time, once for its first service (1200 miles at 2 weeks ownership), once for a rear tube when it popped close to the dealership. That's it. My selling dealer, and his mechanic, were BOTH involved with Suzuki factory racing, and had been since the 1970s. I've followed their recommendations since day one. My bike has never needed so much as a minor valve adjustment, let alone an overhaul due to dealer "tech" incompetence. They told me "never use Suzuki brand oil or filters, don't waste money on bringing it in for routine maintenance, and, by the way, we took the air mix screw cover off your carb, here's how you adjust it, and if you notch your battery box right "here" you can run the world's most common bike battery instead of this oddball the factory specs for the bike"... I've dealt with dealerships in MS, TN, WA, OR and ID. The only one who knew ANYTHING about the Savage was my selling dealer in Biloxi MS. The rest knew absolutely nothing about the bike or its quirks. Take the factory dino juice back, it's for liquid cooled bikes with self adjusting or shim and bucket valve trains. It isn't for old fashioned air cooled engines with 1960s style cam and followers with screw and nut adjusters. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by Dane Allen on 05/07/13 at 13:48:44 7E6D290 wrote:
What is the most common bike battery, btw? /thread-hi-jack |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by Serowbot on 05/07/13 at 18:36:42 14313E35113C3C353E500 wrote:
I forget the part number,.. but there is a perfect fit, wet cell, battery at WallyMart for $35 or so... but it has the vent hose on the negative side... You can notch yer' box to let that tube out, opposite the stock battery... ...( I think that's what WD is referring to)... |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by apache snow on 05/07/13 at 18:43:33 A 14L-B2 battery will put every thing in the right place. :) |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by mtlsir on 05/07/13 at 19:33:18 Good to know! a lot of experience here, thaks fo sharing! 795A5250535A5A5344360 wrote:
Yup, you got it ..... furthermore I will say your dealer's service and parts department doesn't even have a clue what your Savage really needs on a lot of other different fronts as well. This sounds harsh, but it gets proven out every spring with the new terror tales the new folks bring with them.[/quote] |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by Dave on 05/08/13 at 05:18:44 In the past I have been kind of overzealous in my oil selection. I would use what I perceived as the best oil available at the time, and some of it is expensive and only available by mail...or special order at the shops. When I bought my Savage I was inclined to be a little less anal about the oil selection, as it is not a high performance engine. I did what most of us Noobs do.....I bought Suzuki brand oil as recommended iin the owners manual. Not long after doing that, I started reading the oil posts on this thread and became educated. Unlike a lot of forums that post opinons without supporting data, this forum provided information about the content of the old and current oils....and showed what is happening to oils as the EPA started to mandate what is in "rated" oils. I dumped the Suzuki oil pretty quickly and used the rest of it in my lawn mower. I made the switch to Rotella T, as the supporting data on this site showed that it was a good oil and had enough ZDDP to keep our old school valve train properly lubricated. I had been reading for years that Kawasaki KLR people swear by Rotella - but until this forum I had never found the data that showed why it was better than proper "motorcycle" oils. I still mail order my synthetic 2T oil for my chainsaws and the synthetic 4T oil for my trials bike - but for the Savage I am using Rotella T and adding 1 oz of Redline ZDDP booster per quart. Time will tell if this is the right thing to do. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by WD on 05/08/13 at 06:35:31 Most common is a 14L-A2 with left side vent, you can get one pretty much anywhere. The B2 is the same battery with the vent on the right hand side, can be a good bit harder to find. |
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Title: Re: about time to change oil... Post by Digger on 05/08/13 at 20:00:34 FWIW.... My Savage (see my signature block) uses the same Yuasa AGM battery as does my KLR650s. At least as sealed batteries go, it uses a very common size..... |
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