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Title: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by newb_Jack on 04/29/13 at 14:07:58 Hey Guys, I went to change my oil last night (first time since I've bought the bike) and ended up stripping the Oil Drain Plug/bolt due to how tight the thing is screwed on. I'd like to replace it but am having trouble locating the bolt/plug on bikebandit's diagrams. Can someone help me out? I figure I can get the old one off with some vice grips, but want to have a replacement in hand before I take it off. Thanks, Jack 1999 Suzuki Savage LS650 with a Harley exhaust and the raptor petcock. 5400 miles on it. Bought it used in November of 2012. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by verslagen1 on 04/29/13 at 14:13:42 http://www.magneticdrainplug.com/Motorcycle_Drain_Plugs/MP06.html and I always use the box end of a combo wrench. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by paulmarshall on 04/29/13 at 14:59:12 That magnetic plug is a good idea. A bloody good idea. I'm getting one. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by newb_Jack on 04/29/13 at 15:11:10 687B6C6D727F797B702F1E0 wrote:
Thanks for the tip! Can't wait for it to arrive! |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Boofer on 04/29/13 at 20:57:58 2A392E2F303D3B39326D5C0 wrote:
Verslagen, I think he means he rounded the head off. A new plug is great, but Vise Grips may not be able to get on there. I use a flat ratchet wrench myself with a bump of the palm for "off" or "on". Jack, what wrench did you use to try to loosen the bolt? |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by verslagen1 on 04/29/13 at 21:03:23 4B66666F6C7B090 wrote:
Verslagen, I think he means he rounded the head off. A new plug is great, but Vise Grips may not be able to get on there. I use a flat ratchet wrench myself with a bump of the palm for "off" or "on". Jack, what wrench did you use to try to loosen the bolt? [/quote] yep, I understood that, hope no one thought I could take off a rounded off bolt with a box wrench. I like the ratchet wrenches too, but not for breaking bolts loose, I got the cheap HF variety. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Boofer on 04/29/13 at 21:14:40 Gotcha' covered versy. I know you wouldn't try that. :) |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by newb_Jack on 04/30/13 at 07:17:00 1D3030393A2D5F0 wrote:
After looking up wrench terms, I did use the box end of a combo wrench. The side with the ring, right? :-? |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Dave on 04/30/13 at 07:25:22 3A31333B35343D25233933500 wrote:
After looking up wrench terms, I did use the box end of a combo wrench. The side with the ring, right? :-?[/quote] Yep.....a combination wrench has one end open and one end is a ring, and both ends are the same size. Always use an box end wrench when things are tight......open end wrenches tend to round the corners off if you really have to pull hard. The drain plug should be made snug when you put it back in.......but not gorilla grip tight! Only use one hand when tightening it up.......don't use both hands and wedge your leg agains the bike for leverage! The draim plug holds the oil in....it does not attach the engine to the frame. It only needs to be tight enough to put pressure on the washer and prevent drips, and snug enough that it will not vibrate out as you ride. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by WD on 04/30/13 at 07:50:15 And NEVER use a 12 point wrench, if you can't get a 6 point on easily, raise the bike a few inches. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/30/13 at 11:48:34 If the head is so messed up that nothing will grab it & you cant get to it to work on it( File, die grinder, whatever), drain the fuel & lay some padding down & put it on its side. The wrench, on the plug, aims at the front tire, Then ya drive Down on it.. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by newb_Jack on 04/30/13 at 11:49:46 Thanks for all the advice. I really appreciate it! I've ordered one of the magnetic plugs and will be sure not to over tighten it. Looking forward to getting my first oil change under my belt. :) |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Gyrobob on 05/01/13 at 09:02:19 7E6F7B62636F7C7D666F62620E0 wrote:
Why is it a bloody good idea? |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by apache snow on 05/01/13 at 09:28:05 http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2383041 http://www.doityourself.com/stry/magnetic-drain-plug-pros-and-cons |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Serowbot on 05/01/13 at 09:44:32 When I first got my bike (it's a 97'), it had a 17mm drain plug, and it was booger to get even an open-end on it... Swapping to the magnetic, had the side benefit of being a 14mm... much easier to access... |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by WD on 05/01/13 at 09:51:39 Hard drive magnet repurposed for oil system magnets... hmm... I've got 2 dead external drives and a couple of internal ones... Might have to harvest the magnets, never thought of that trick. From the oil guy link A.S. put up... |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Dave on 05/01/13 at 10:00:37 I did not find it in the search or in the Technical Section - but I do remember that when I joined this site there was a thread on a fellow that had installed a really large magnet on the oil filter cover. The magnet was so strong he could put a wrench up against the oil filter cover and it would stay attached and hang there. If you want a magnet in your oil system.....it was a good approach. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/13 at 10:08:31 Those tiny little magnets are r4eal stout for their size. Ive used them to "Hop Up" my shop "fishing" magnets. A little super glue & they add right onto the end & make them stronger. I use magnets of all kinds in the shop. Holding notes, holding little parts bags & one time I used a magnet & epoxy to close a drilled hole under an A/C unit.. No clamp needed! It held itself in place while epoxy cured. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Oldfeller on 05/01/13 at 10:15:43 4A717C6B7A766D6B7078756A190 wrote:
I think Search is busted again ...... ...... just saying, as it couldn't find this in Tech and only found one supemagnet post in RSD, period, and that was a smagnet war. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1197231468 http://photos.gunloads.com/images/Oldfeller/customwrenchholder.jpg |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by apache snow on 05/01/13 at 10:33:04 I have used a filter magnet on my truck for several years. I will say they were a heck of a lot cheaper when I bought mine. http://www.jegs.com/v/FilterMAG/384 |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Gyrobob on 05/01/13 at 11:50:03 Yes, we are in danger of starting up another schmagnet war. I am not violently against schmagnets,.. I'm just waiting for some proof they do any good, except for keeping schmagnet vendors wealthy. Nowhere on the internet are their any studies, tests, SAE journals, etc, that show increased longevity, more power, less wear, or any other kind of benefit from having a magnet in the oil somewhere to attract ferretic particles. These things are like the gizmos that create turbulence in the intake flow, or fuel ionizers, or smooth out the intake flow. Yes, they gather a small percentage of the loose particles inside the motor,.. only those particles that happen to get pretty close to the magnet and only those that are iron or the kind of steel that reacts to magnetic force. All the other particles could care less. We rely on a good oil filter to trap just about all the loose particles. One guy in a previous schmagnet thread said the magnet broke off inside the motor. Apparently the glue gave way. Even if the schmagnet drain plug doesn't lose the magnet, and even if it does attract some of the ferritic particles, what effect will that have? If any of you can find some sort of research that shows how a motorcycle motor will last for, say, 10,000 miles longer because of the schmagnet, I'll go out and buy enough to equip all my vehicles. I'm big on longevity,.. that's why I use Rotella T6 in all my bikes. Anyway, the point is: A schmagnet drain plug probably won't hurt any (except for being overpriced) but whether or not it results in any benefits is still up for debate. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by apache snow on 05/01/13 at 12:03:34 Then can we put you down in the not wanting one column :-/ I don't know if they do that much good or not but the last 15 cars I have purchased new had a magnet on the end of the drain plug. They could have saved thousands by eliminating them :o I'm sure the auto industry did research on them before spending the money. They do all have proving grounds where they run millions of miles of testing and tear-down for measurement. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Serowbot on 05/01/13 at 12:16:27 I don't know that they work either... I got mine because it was 14mm instead of 17mm... the magnet was just a bonus... ... doesn't Honda or somebody have them stock from the factory?... I think it was a car... :-?... |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by SALB on 05/01/13 at 12:26:48 I think it's a misconception that magnets will somehow prevent problems. They are really just a diagnostic tool that can catch a sample of what's floating around in the oil. You could just run the oil through a strainer each time, and find out just as much; but the plug is easier. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/13 at 12:39:57 I think they May help in prevention, but, for the most part, I agree. If you see Mr.Magnet has a beard down to his knees instead of just looking like he could stand a shave,, sumpins goin down,, |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Gyrobob on 05/01/13 at 14:18:29 657465676C61776A6B73040 wrote:
I'll want one if I ever am convinced they do any good. The first time I see any proof, I'll change my mind quicker than a harley-toad rips the baffles out of a new $35,000 Harley. I don't know where you buy your cars, but out of the last 15 I bought, the only one that had a schmagnet was one that had three previous owners,.. making me think that one of them had fallen for the snake oil pitch. I'm sure the auto industry would use them if they did any good,.. similar to fuel ionizers and turbulators and K&N filters. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Gyrobob on 05/01/13 at 14:22:28 45464551474F41240 wrote:
637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
A chip detector, eh??!! They can help this way, but they do nothing to catch aluminum, brass, copper, stainless steel, ceramics, gasket material, clutch material, etc., so as a diagnostic tool they would provide only a limited amount of info. Besides, if the schmagnet is catching chunks of steel, the owner has WAAYYY more problems than trivial discussions like these. He's headed for some major disassembly. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by apache snow on 05/01/13 at 14:44:53 All my GM trucks and many of my wifes GM cars came with them. She is driving a Nissan Rogue right now. It does not have one. I havn't bought a new truck since 2005. I am retired and don't drive that much but the 2005 GMC Sierra I have has one. Corvettes came with them till 2008. Oh yeah all tranmission pans have a magnet no matter who makes them. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by SALB on 05/01/13 at 15:04:54 gyrobob wrote: Besides, if the schmagnet is catching chunks of steel, the owner has WAAYYY more problems than trivial discussions like these. He's headed for some major disassembly. You just proved my point. If you're getting more than just fine ferrous paste, it's time to tear down BEFORE it grenades. I do agree, though, that they're less effective on motorcycles than on older, mostly steel autos. BTW, if you really want a good picture of what's going on inside your engine, get an oil analysis. |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by 87 savage on 05/01/13 at 15:11:14 Niether my car nor my Pickup has one, but, almost every snowmobile I've owned had one on the Chaincase dipstick. Although the chaincase on a sled is a small compartment with a lot less moving parts than an engine. I believe the benefit of a magnet is to catch metal pieces before the oil pump can pick it up and send it back through oil galleries and possibly plug them. :-? |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by Gyrobob on 05/01/13 at 18:57:59 77747763757D73160 wrote:
Proving each others' points doesn't generate much controversy, eh? |
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Title: Re: Stripped Oil Drain Plug Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/01/13 at 19:17:15 78757B7C6B6D282E2021190 wrote:
Id suggest that its there to protect the oil pump from being slowly eaten or possibly jammed by a lump of miniscule bits jarred loose by a poorly landed triple backflip with a gainer & a full twist. ( Can you BUHleev the stuff people can do today? Just look at the "sexy dancers" on TV from the 70's,, & look at the moves some gals can make today. Look at bicycle, skateboard, motorcycle & car stunts & those blasted X games & jet skis & snow mobiles,, MAN,, people have learned to really DO some crazy stuff) |
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