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Message started by RobSchneider on 04/23/13 at 23:40:56

Title: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/23/13 at 23:40:56

Hello there,

After chopping my savage, (I did nothing with the engine or oiltubes and so on), I took it for a testdrive this morning.

Driving went well, but when I parked my bike and looked at the cilinderhead and engine I saw spitted oil there.... OH no!!!

I made some pictures, perhaps someone knows what this is...
It looks like it comes from the cilinderhead (when you're on the bike, left-side).

Mods I did (technical): Dyna muffler, K&N filter, 165 jet.

Hope you guys can tell me whats wrong!

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/23/13 at 23:41:21

another pic

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by wambr on 04/24/13 at 01:42:23

judging by your photos on your Savage could not resist the sealant between the cylinder head and the lid of the type-it is not so bad... you will need to remove the valve cover , remove the old sealant and apply a new

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/24/13 at 03:25:22


584E424D5D2F0 wrote:
judging by your photos on your Savage could not resist the sealant between the cylinder head and the lid of the type-it is not so bad... you will need to remove the valve cover , remove the old sealant and apply a new

Thanks for the reply!
Is it possible that the problem came out of nowhere? I drove the bike home when I bought it (before chopping) and had no problems like spitted oil...

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by savagerider87 on 04/24/13 at 03:51:58

Another thing that is common on the savage is the speedo cable ( the long stainless tube that runs from the bottom of the tank to  the top of the clutch case) tends to leak as well.  Try unscrewing the cable at the motor and theres a lil o ring inside of that fastener, if its bad itll leak.  Its a cheap and easy fix.

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/24/13 at 23:10:29


5B495E494F4D5A414C4D5A101F280 wrote:
Another thing that is common on the savage is the speedo cable ( the long stainless tube that runs from the bottom of the tank to  the top of the clutch case) tends to leak as well.  Try unscrewing the cable at the motor and theres a lil o ring inside of that fastener, if its bad itll leak.  Its a cheap and easy fix.

Thanks man, I don't think it leaks on the engineside, because of the oil on top of the cylinder, maybe at the tankside (or did you meant that?), I'm going to figure it out!
I have ordered the seal nut and two O-rings to replace if it's leaking from the cylinder.

Hope I solve the problem, I'm so happy with my new bike!

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by WD on 04/24/13 at 23:19:48

If the speedo cable is sucking in oil and leaking it will be all over the top of the engine. It pukes it out at the gauge connection.

The plug cap leak can be a mere seep or a straight up gusher. Mine has seeped since it was new, and has lost a couple tablespoons, maybe a 1/4 cup, in 15 years out the leaky seal.

Speedo cable on mine started sucking up oil in 1998 when the bike was a couple months old. It stopped when I swapped tanks in 2005... No oil comes out the cable hole, and I've never capped it. My bike loses more through the alternator loom port than it does anywhere else.

That's what cfc free brake cleaner is for...


Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by Serowbot on 04/25/13 at 00:11:04

A #165 main jet, is huge...
Nothing to do with your oil leak,.. but...
Unless you're 4,000 ft below sea level... you're barfing fuel...

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/25/13 at 01:06:26

Thanks WD for your reply, I'm checking the speedocable tonight (time difference between here and USA) really curious where the leak comes from!

7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote:
A #165 main jet, is huge...
Nothing to do with your oil leak,.. but...
Unless you're 4,000 ft below sea level... you're barfing fuel...

Hey Serowbot, thanks for the dyna muffler tin cap-idea, worked as a charm!
The motorshop nearby gave me the advice of a 165, I did have my doubt, and now sure that it is much too big. Luckily I've changed the bolts on the carb, so I can easyly remove the bottom and change the jet. I have a 157,5 standing by...

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/25/13 at 01:24:23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn84N7sECOg
Here's a video of the sound, sounds a little rich on fuel right?

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by gdrseeker on 04/25/13 at 14:37:38

O :Dnly able to hear the idle for a few seconds befor eyou take off but it sounds low I would turn the idle up.

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by polarpilot on 04/25/13 at 16:50:55

You have the infamous Head Cap seal leak - wind pushes oil to the back of the cylinder and is often mistaken for a blown head gasket.
Suzuki part was redesigned in about 2002 and the new ones do not leak


Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by WD on 04/25/13 at 16:57:44


41626B51576B62626F7C5141606B0E0 wrote:
You have the infamous Head Cap seal leak - wind pushes oil to the back of the cylinder and is often mistaken for a blown head gasket.
Suzuki part was redesigned in about 2002 and the new ones do not leak


Hey my friend. Long time no see. And the new ones will leak too, just takes longer.

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by polarpilot on 04/25/13 at 17:18:41


1C0F4B0 wrote:
[quote author=41626B51576B62626F7C5141606B0E0 link=1366785658/0#11 date=1366933855]You have the infamous Head Cap seal leak - wind pushes oil to the back of the cylinder and is often mistaken for a blown head gasket.
Suzuki part was redesigned in about 2002 and the new ones do not leak


WD and I hope WDO still too - it has been a lot of miles down the road!
I am rarely here anymore - and I see backfiring and head cap seal issues still abound - lol but I ride one with those issues too.
Did you know I blew the engine on my 89? It pumped all the oil out on the highway and a valved seized - what a mess
Bought a 96 engine on ebay and installed it - purring ever since. Nice to have the 5 speed transmission too.
Wow it feels good to chat with a bro again - must be what 14 years?
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Hey my friend. Long time no see. And the new ones will leak too, just takes longer.[/quote]

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by WD on 04/25/13 at 17:23:15

Back in TN with the 98 Savage and the 96 800 Intruder. Now if you could find Hoggryder, Intrud'n and Stef...

Have you been back since Max Morley passed last year?

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/25/13 at 23:08:10

Sorry to interrupt guys :D
But I found out that the small filter that I mount on the crankcasebreather-tube is disconnected, can this have anything to do with the leaking?

btw, is Loctite a good sealant for the cap? I'm thinking of Loctite 510 / 518 or 5188. More info... (http://www.loctite.co.uk/fullproduct-list-loctite-4995.htm?countryCode=uke&BU=industrial&parentredDotUID=productfinder&redDotUID=productfinder&param2=mode%253Dfull%257C)
And do I have to order all the gaskets from the bolts? Or not needed...

Thanks in advance guys!

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by WD on 04/26/13 at 07:18:54

That could be most of your leak, oil vapors coming out of the vent are going to go "somewhere"... One of the main reasons I've stuck with the less than efficient stock air box, with the access door removed.

Title: Re: Testdrive: Nice drive, but oil leak?
Post by RobSchneider on 04/26/13 at 07:52:33


7C6F2B0 wrote:
That could be most of your leak, oil vapors coming out of the vent are going to go "somewhere"... One of the main reasons I've stuck with the less than efficient stock air box, with the access door removed.

Hey WD, I 've had the breatherhose beneath the sattle, the small filter disconnected there. There is no oil under the sattle, so it didn't leak from the tube.

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