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Message started by LostArtist on 04/18/13 at 10:33:41

Title: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by LostArtist on 04/18/13 at 10:33:41

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOVghy0AgYk&feature=youtu.be[/media]

the only disagreement I have with this vid is that the Harley, hands down, has the best fit and finish and colors available

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by oldNslow on 04/18/13 at 11:01:47

And the exhaust on the Harley looks light years better than that monstrosity on the Bolt.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by apache snow on 04/18/13 at 11:08:35

Harley for me, no contest. That tail light on the Bolt looks awful. I'm sure the Bolt will be a good bike but won't sway many Harley riders.

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Post by cowboy on 04/18/13 at 11:12:14

and the harley will retain a much better resale value than the bolt . :)

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Post by Serowbot on 04/18/13 at 12:16:04

That guys pants are too tight,... I'm not believing anything he says... ;D ;D ;D...

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by LostArtist on 04/18/13 at 13:11:59

I'm hoping the bolt leads to better sportsters

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by apache snow on 04/18/13 at 13:26:39

I think they are marketing the Bolt toward hipsters, you know todays young men who carry men bags(purses) and dress funney. :o

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 14:12:20

617061636865736E6F77000 wrote:

Harley for me, no contest. That tail light on the Bolt looks awful. I'm sure the Bolt will be a good bike but won't sway many Harley riders.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by apache snow on 04/18/13 at 14:26:13

6B4E414A6E43434A412F0 wrote:

[quote author=617061636865736E6F77000 link=1366306421/0#2 date=1366308515]Harley for me, no contest. That tail light on the Bolt looks awful. I'm sure the Bolt will be a good bike but won't sway many Harley riders.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by LostArtist on 04/18/13 at 14:32:19

496C63684C616168630D0 wrote:

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by LostArtist on 04/18/13 at 14:36:15

7D6C7D7F74796F72736B1C0 wrote:

I think they are marketing the Bolt toward hipsters, you know todays young men who carry men bags(purses) and dress funney. :o

they are marketing it towards beginner riders where the $8000 price point is their top to spend and to those that just naturally rebel against the accountant/lawyer/doctor old man vibe the Harley's are all about these days. ;D

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by SALB on 04/18/13 at 15:39:34

It seems as if Harley has taken over corvette as the choice of middle aged men facing a mid-life crisis! ;D

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by Dane Allen on 04/18/13 at 15:41:47

4A6975724774726F7572060 wrote:

[quote author=496C63684C616168630D0 link=1366306421/0#7 date=1366319540][quote author=617061636865736E6F77000 link=1366306421/0#2 date=1366308515]Harley for me, no contest. That tail light on the Bolt looks awful. I'm sure the Bolt will be a good bike but won't sway many Harley riders.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by LostArtist on 04/18/13 at 16:36:17

7B5E515A7E53535A513F0 wrote:

[quote author=4A6975724774726F7572060 link=1366306421/0#9 date=1366320739][quote author=496C63684C616168630D0 link=1366306421/0#7 date=1366319540][quote author=617061636865736E6F77000 link=1366306421/0#2 date=1366308515]Harley for me, no contest. That tail light on the Bolt looks awful. I'm sure the Bolt will be a good bike but won't sway many Harley riders.

That is a good point, I wonder who the target market is, probably not Harley owners. The price point looks to be a 2-3 grand less so maybe they are looking for those who accept the faux Harley look with a slight to moderate discount.

The S40 has completely changed my attitude towards motorcycles, I am not looking for butt jewelry (love that phrase whoever said) but for the quality of the ride and reliability.[/quote]

the bolt and the sportster 883 are the same price[/quote]

The Harley dealership here doesn't list the prices, you have to call and I didn't but the last time I went in there, 6 months ago, I recall the 883 being $9,900...I must have been looking at 1200s[/quote]

a lot of dealerships do automatic add-ons, like mufflers and bling stuff that they think their customers want anyway and then jack the price up, the MRSP for a base stock model 883 is $7999 same as the Bolt, good luck finding a 883 for that price though, heck, paint can even add $300 to the price. and of course, add on another $1000 for tax, title and frieight/unpacking

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by Borracho on 04/18/13 at 17:47:14

I think the Bolt is sweet- lighter, faster, better suspension and less money than the Sporty. The smart play is to buy a used one in a year or two that has depreciated...

OTOH, there is no shortage of nice used Sportsters on the market either.

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Post by ToesNose on 04/18/13 at 18:54:22

01242B20042929202B450 wrote:

The Harley dealership here doesn't list the prices, you have to call and I didn't but the last time I went in there, 6 months ago, I recall the 883 being $9,900...I must have been looking at 1200s

Depends on where you live too, I know the HD dealers on LongIsland NY marked up $1k at least on all bikes with no haggle room for the regular joe and Manhattan was higher, due to physical location you would have to travel a good distance to get to another dealer off LI and past Manhattan. Unless things have changed there in the past few years, which I doubt LOL.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by ZAR on 04/20/13 at 19:21:01

Yeah,yeah,yeah.....it's still a V-twin Hurley knock-off........nothing new there....same old s&%t.

I'm holding out ::) for a production 750-900 cc thumper......something really different ;D ! That would get me excited enough to throw down some long green!

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by WD on 04/21/13 at 08:57:06

4A5142100 wrote:

Yeah,yeah,yeah.....it's still a V-twin Hurley knock-off........nothing new there....same old s&%t.

HD knock off in the bodywork department, Vincent engine knock off. Yamaha (like the latest Indian engine from Polaris) uses an offset rear cylinder, just like Vincent did on the infamous Black Shadow. The earliest incarnation by Yamaha even used a Vincent clone swingarm and shock layout...

A truer HD knock off would be the Kawasaki Vulcan V-twin... oh, wait, Kawasaki designed the Evo... look it up, it's true. HD came crying to Japan in the early 80s, Kawi stepped up and helped the brand survive. The design gurus at Kawasaki actually liked and respected the HD as a classic platform and couldn't stomach the thought of it going out of business. Harley paid off the debt for the Evo in 1994. Imagine where Harleys would be today if Kawasaki hadn't had to stick with pushrods and a separate transmission while modernizing the old nosecone Shovelhead...

A super sized HD knock off would be the Yamaha Road Star engine. Beefed up Shovelhead with pushrods sharing a common cover.

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Post by apache snow on 04/21/13 at 10:30:59

Could you post a link to your claim.

They started r&d on the EVO in 77...solid in the AMF years...AMF just supplied the money....some say Porsche had a hand in the engineering. First year Evo's still had Shovel cases...were really only different from the jugs up...All the changes were to correct durability problems that cropped up with the Shovel when they punched it out to 80 ci.

Donnie Petersen, Donny's Unauthorized Technical Guide to Harley Davidson, 1936 to Present: Volume III: The Evolution, 1984-2000 (NY: iUniverse Inc, 2010).

It's all about the Evo.

- Page 13: "AMF instituted the beginning if the Evolution engine in 1977, over 3 years before the buy-out by H-D management."
- Page 19: "The Evo had been in a 7 year design process before it's consumer introduction in 1984."

http://www.classicbikersclub.com/articles/2011-10/harley-davidson-evo-engine

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by WD on 04/21/13 at 11:03:14

It's all in old Super Cycle, Iron Horse and similar print magazines.

I gave up on HD after my 93 Wide Glide ate 4 engines and 6 transmissions in 6 months. When the company was experimenting with new crank support bearings. At least they had the sense by 95 to go back to the ones that worked.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by apache snow on 04/21/13 at 11:04:49

OOOOH....K Kinda what I thought.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by WD on 04/21/13 at 11:18:01

I still like/prefer Harley Davidsons, just don't want another one made after 1964. Still looking for a VL or UL worth the time and effort to resto-mod.

I had a 1957 Pan bar hopper project before we moved back to TN in early 2011. Gave it back to the friend who had given me the bike, couldn't bring everything and since it was the roughest of the bikes at the time...

Only pic I have of the Panhead project...http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y490/mphsgal/LISA-HP/Photos/The%20Bikes/JunkPan_zpseb388e5c.jpg (http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/mphsgal/media/LISA-HP/Photos/The%20Bikes/JunkPan_zpseb388e5c.jpg.html)

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Post by Jiggyfly on 04/22/13 at 08:53:58

So it was printed in magazines, but never in any HD historical publications......by anyone......?

Certainly I've never seen anything on it.
A friend works at Harley.....I'll inquire.
The Porsche reference is on the Vrod engine, & yes, they designed it.

Title: Re: The Bolt VS Harley 883
Post by apache snow on 04/22/13 at 09:02:03

I don't put a lot of faith in after market custom motorcycle magazines. I could not find any reference on the net or in any reputable publications.