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Message started by cowboy on 04/12/13 at 18:22:25

Title: quit your whinng
Post by cowboy on 04/12/13 at 18:22:25

here are gas prices today. first is in Kapaa second Princeville :'(

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Post by cowboy on 04/12/13 at 18:23:36

second princeville :'(

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Post by cowboy on 04/12/13 at 18:26:05

me and buddy on hanalei river :D

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Post by jcstokes on 04/13/13 at 00:22:44

In New Zealand it would be $US 7.O5 per US gallon approximately.

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Post by ToesNose on 04/13/13 at 04:42:58

I've surfed all my life and now I'm land locked near Lake Norman in NC, I've been thinking of trying paddle boarding. How do you like it Cowboy? Is it a decent workout or just more of a novelty ::)

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Post by LANCER on 04/13/13 at 06:24:44

4873796F52736F791C0 wrote:

I've surfed all my life and now I'm land locked near Lake Norman in NC, I've been thinking of trying paddle boarding. How do you like it Cowboy? Is it a decent workout or just more of a novelty ::)

I've never done it but like virtually any physical activity it all depends on your level of input. Ping pong can be a great physical workout when the intensity level is jacked way up. YEP ;)

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Post by apache snow on 04/13/13 at 09:13:17

Gas here was $3.23 this morning. Still too high but the S40 gets me 60 mpg. Better than the 14 mpg my truck gets.

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Post by WD on 04/13/13 at 09:23:43

Your truck gets double the average mileage of mine...

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Post by cowboy on 04/13/13 at 10:18:48

i think it's a great work out. fun too. it can be as intense as you make it. i may buy one for home but will have to get a wet suit too. 8-)

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 12:05:35

In New Zealand it would be $US 7.O5 per US gallon approximately.

[JCStokes Do you use 91,95 or 98?]

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Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 12:09:49

When I filled up my 1995 C2500 yesterday, I paid $3.08 per gallon at Wal-Mart using my Wal-Mart CC that gives me $0.15 off per gallon right now, until 7-7-13 It still cost me over $90 to fill it up though :'(

R.F.

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Post by jcstokes on 04/13/13 at 12:12:57

I use 91 Paul, the dealership recommended 95, but when that went over $NZ2 a litre I changed to regular. Many on this forum seem to think regular is fine for a standard engine. Thank god we don' t have ethanol aside from Gull petrol.

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 12:26:52

JC you are so right about the difference in fuel prices. :-[ I still try to fill up where 98 is sold. BP mainly. I keep that petrol head mentality "HIGHER OCTANE MORE POWER. :P

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Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 12:27:38

5158484F54505E483B0 wrote:

Reg vrs premium depends on the engine itself, if it's higher compression then yes it definitely benefits greatly from the higher octane fuel even if the manufacturer book says it's o.k. to use Reg fuel in it. Newer vehicles have computerized iggy systems with knock sensors that will retard the spark to a point it doesn't detonate even with a much lower octane fuel, but you don't get the performance and power out of the engine that is was built to do. So basically if you have anything over a 9.5 to 1 then you want to run a higher octane fuel if you want it to perform it's best.

R.F.

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 12:28:22

To be honest I don't know that much about fuel. :-[

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Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 12:39:58

[quote author=3E2F3B22232F3C3D262F22224E0 link=1365816156/0#14 date=1365881302]To be honest I don't know that much about fuel. :-[/quote]
Higher octane fuel actually has less potential for power then lower octane fuel, because of the additives in it that decrease it's ability to self ignite.

So using a higher octane fuel then needed is just a waste of money as it doesn't benefit you at all.

You using 98 octane fuel in a production engine is a big waste of money, you would need to be either using it on a engine that has 12:1 or greater compression or 10:1 with boost of more then 15 psi going into it.

Of course I'm giving rough est. on this and not including anything to do with the camshafts in the engine which can also effect what octane you can get away with. I'm going by normal production engines as they come out of the factory for normal vehicles not those custom built for racing purposes.

R.F.

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 13:00:14

RF you have just taught me something new, Thanks.
So for those of us that live south of the equator 91 octane is the prefered fuel?

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Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 13:12:16

6E7F6B72737F6C6D767F72721E0 wrote:

RF you have just taught me something new, Thanks.
So for those of us that live south of the equator 91 octane is the prefered fuel?

I'm guessing 91 Octane is your reg fuel being the low octane offered at the pump. If so then yes that would be your preferred fuel on most vehicles. Now if you were driving a sports type car you might want to go up to the mid grade as most of those have a 10:1 or a 10.5:1 compression that will benefit from the better grade fuel. By sports car I'm talking something like Mustangs, Camaros, Vettes and the imports (imports to us that is) that are the equivalents of those.

R.F.

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Post by apache snow on 04/13/13 at 13:16:25

It depends what part of the world you live in and how the octane is rated, RON, MON, or AKI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 13:17:52

Yes 91 is our lowest octane fuel. There is also 95 and 98.

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Post by jcstokes on 04/13/13 at 16:34:39

Well Apache, your Wikipedia taught me something, I would have thought the MON of our 91 RON would have been about 87 not 82/ 83

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Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 16:49:30

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 17:30:33

in the U.S. we use the AKI for octane rating which is the (Mon + Ron) / 2
So for those in countries that use a different method what your looking for in normal engines is around 87 to 89 octane using the AKI method.

[ So I am using the right stuff. Thought so. I can remember back a few years when our 98 super use to be 98 Reg, and our super octane was higher still.
I do know that a lot of big american classic cars use 98 and have to add a octane additive so there cars run right here in NZ.

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Post by jcstokes on 04/13/13 at 19:04:24

Paul, forgive me if I've misinterpreted you, but you would be fine on NZ 91RON or 87 AKI

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 23:03:24

393020273C383620530 wrote:

Paul, forgive me if I've misinterpreted you, but you would be fine on NZ 91RON or 87 AKI

91 it is then. ;)

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Post by WD on 04/13/13 at 23:14:26

3223372E2F2330312A232E2E420 wrote:

In New Zealand it would be $US 7.O5 per US gallon approximately.

Hmm, at 4 mpg, and a 60 gallon tank... no wonder I've never seen pics of antique American big block powered motorhomes down there... How can you guys have a traditional hot rod and custom culture at those fuel prices? I've seen some pretty neat USA market vehicles coming out of NZ, those guys are nuts.

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Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 23:22:43

I'd never make it down there in NZ with my truck getting an avg of 8 mpg, it's bad enough as it is with our prices of over $3 per gallon and summer is coming so I can see it hitting $4 per gallon before the summer is over with.

I might just have to come up with a way to make a small trailer and then add a hitch to the Savage to do my grocery shopping.

R.F.

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Post by paulmarshall on 04/13/13 at 23:24:19

We are prob one of the most $$$ when it comes to fuel in the world.

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Post by WD on 04/13/13 at 23:32:20

12061752505053600 wrote:

Saddle bags and an alice pack...you'd be amazed what fits in an Army surplus back pack.

My trucks get: 1949 Dodge, when it runs, 12-16; 1969 Dodge 6-9; 1985 C10 16-24; 1994 Ranger23-26. That's with 218 cid flathead 6/3spd manual, 318 V8/3spd auto, 4.3L V6/3spd auto, 2.3L I4/5spd manual. The 1987 gets measured in gallons per mile, C60 bucket truck with a 350 industrial and a PTO equipped 4 speed manual.

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Post by Jiggyfly on 04/13/13 at 23:47:32

Octane rating is a resistance to detonation. (Pre-ignition)
The lowest octane fuel you can run without detonation, the more HP your bike will make.
Oxygenated race fuels skew this formula a bit. $25 a gallon VP at Daytona International Speedway yielded some interesting results!

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Post by jcstokes on 04/14/13 at 01:29:55

A 1924 Buick Master Six will only do 8-10 mpg and we still have some of them. A 1925 Chandler is about the same. A 9 litre Renault 45hp will do 10 mpg and that's Imperial gallons, 5 US quarts approx.