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Title: Jump Start? Post by SALB on 04/12/13 at 09:57:49 OK, I got bit by the stupid bug last night and turned the switch to park instead of off when I got home. [smiley=angry.gif] When I went out to start it this morning, the taillight was still on, but I only got two cranks out of it. What I want to know is how to jump start it, or if it's even possible. I'm thinking bump the main pole on the starter with the positive cable with the negative on the engine ground strap, but I don't want to fry anything. Any advice? BTW, I plan on taking a 20 mile trip on the freeway, so I'm not worried about recharging the battery. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by oldNslow on 04/12/13 at 10:14:40 Quote:
I don't think that will work. You need to get the positive jumper on the positive battery terminal somehow.( If I'm wrong someone else will jump in I hope :)) If you're jumping from a car don't have the car engine running. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by verslagen1 on 04/12/13 at 10:25:05 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1337452721 Quote:
note, anywhere on the engine is ground. make sure it's not in gear :-? I mean really make sure. read thru the link I gave you, much safer to push start and reinforces the 'don't do that again stupid' |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by SALB on 04/12/13 at 10:38:50 6B786F6E717C7A78732C1D0 wrote:
Push starting was my first thought, but when I put it in gear and I could hardly push it with the clutch lever pulled, I gave up on the idea. Seems oil turns to the consistency of honey when it's 32 degrees. I just hopped in the truck and headed for work. I may be able to push start it tonight, but I'm still wondering about the jump start if all else fails. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by prechermike on 04/12/13 at 10:46:58 You can jump it, but you need about four hands. Absolutely positively in neutral, hold in the clutch, hit the starter (for the decompress solenoid), negative grounded to the frame, positive to the starter bolt. That should do it, like I said, you will need about four hands to do it. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by oldNslow on 04/12/13 at 10:49:15 Quote:
32 degrees!! Yer lucky it didn't start. Probably woulda froze to death :D Hook it up to a battery charger and wait for the weather to warm up if I was you ;D |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by houstonbofh on 04/12/13 at 16:37:12 I have made a few sets of motorcycle jumper cables. Get the charging clamps from AutoZone, and some nice think 10 gage wire from West Marine, crimp and solder the crimps. This can clamp on to the positive terminal at the battery, just under the battery box. Neg is to the engine. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by WD on 04/12/13 at 17:37:56 Going directly to the starter is fine, you'll get enough current backfeeding through the cable to energize the ignitor and related "modern conveniences" so it will start. Unlike a good old fashioned points system, these need power to the "brain" to start. Push in the starter button, touch the hot lead to the starter post, and then hope. Another classic example of over thinking... these bikes really needed to be equipped with points, a kicker AND an electrical system that doesn't require a battery to engage a black box of incipient doom in order to run. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by jcstokes on 04/12/13 at 17:55:49 WD, who would buy a kick start bike of over 200cc in this day and age? Black boxes are part of our time. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by SkyHigh on 04/12/13 at 18:26:21 It would be interesting and probably helpful for many folks to see a video of someone push-starting a Savage or S40. So if someone has done it before successfully and would not mind making a demo video of it, I think lots of folks on here would appreciate it very much. I know I would! Perhaps your wife or buddy could record it. I would try making the demo video myself, but I've never push-started a bike and have no way of recording it, anway. Thank you very much! :) |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by WD on 04/12/13 at 18:35:36 2F2636312A2E2036450 wrote:
Me. My current points fired toys: 1960 John Deere 1020UL gasoline tractor, 1963 Honda CL72, 1971 Honda CL100, 1949 Dodge 1/2 ton, 1969 Dodge 1/2 ton, 1972 VW Super Beetle. Faced with a brand new latest and greatest gee whiz factor bike, or a kick only, valve in block, hasn't run in decades 1000cc or bigger v-twin... I'd take the fossil. Points stick, true, but with a dime and a match book cover, you can fix them 9 out of 10 times. Your "magic black box" fails on the side of the road, hope you have a towing rider on your insurance. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by SALB on 04/12/13 at 19:52:10 Update: I got lucky. It was 64 degrees when I got home tonight, so I thought I'd give it a try. Choke out one notch, and twisting the throttle as I hit the start button, it fired before it had cranked more than half a revolution! 8-) Took it down the freeway on a 10 mile round trip just to charge it, and I'm up and running again. :) Now if I can just avoid turning the switch the wrong way. :-[ I like houstonbofh's idea for jumper cables, but I'm thinking a pigtail on the battery with spade connectors, and then an extension with alligator clips on the end. I could also hook up a battery tender with the setup. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by Digger on 04/12/13 at 20:27:18 292A293D2B232D480 wrote:
Not sure if you had it on a charger or not, but, if you didn't, that's a pretty good battery! |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by Digger on 04/12/13 at 20:33:33 54575440565E50350 wrote:
If you're thinkin' about using your added wires for a jump start, here's what I did a few years back: I modded mine for an easy, no-tools-needed jump start. I found a used grounding wire from my old '81 GL1100. I attached one end to the positive battery cable and insulated the bejeezus out of it. Here is a pic: http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/Digger109/JumpStartWireE.jpg FYI, the lower-right portion of the jump start lead is not connected to anything....it just dead-heads to a terminal under the black insulating hose I've got shoved over the end. Said terminal is easy to hook a positive jumper cable to. Not pretty, but it works (just like my Savage) - it's the next best thing to having a kick-starter. Had to use it in anger for the first time a month or so ago, when my 9 year-old battery gave up the ghost..... IHTH! |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by stinger on 04/13/13 at 01:36:19 I drilled a hole in the top of my battery box and ran a heavy gauged wire thru it and connected it to the positive side of the battery. Capped it with a insulator like you use when connecting hot leads. When I need a jump I just pop it off, hook up the positive jump cable to it and the ground to the rear axle nut. Then I don not have to remove half the bike to get to the battery. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by jcstokes on 04/13/13 at 02:18:15 Yes WD, I have points fired toys too, 1929 Whippet 96A four cylinder and a 1930 the same. It's possible my 5hp Briggs and Stratton has the same. Your job to convince the manufacturers to go back to points. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by WD on 04/13/13 at 07:21:51 I just don't buy anything late model. Haven't for years, unless it is a magneto fired small engine. And I get a lot of flak on another forum because I'd like to replace my 69 D100's 318/727 auto with a 251 L6 (valve in block) and a 4 speed manual... NOT a fan of overhead valves. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by zieglarf on 04/13/13 at 11:45:35 Does anyone really use that park feature? Or is it there just for headaches when we turn the key the wrong direction? |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 12:14:07 3D2E22202B263521470 wrote:
I haven't had a reason to use it yet, but it's there for a reason. If you have to leave your bike on the side of the road at night you need to put it in the park position so that people can see it, It's basically the motorcycle version of hazard lights. Although I think it should be in a different position on the ignition switch like this, Off/Park/Run with definite positive detentes to let you know. Or leave it as is, and make it where you have to push the key in to turn to park. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by apache snow on 04/13/13 at 12:28:10 My S40 has 4 way flashers plus the park position. I do not like the park position. I always double check to make sure I don't have it in that position. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 12:33:27 6E7F6E6C676A7C6160780F0 wrote:
The LS650's didn't have the 4 ways on them, like the S40's do. So our only visibility feature is the park position on the switch when we have to leave the bike on the side of the road. To be honest you just gotta learn down (counter clockwise) to turn off, just like a cage. If you do that you will never have the issue of leaving it in park position. If you drive a cage it should be burned in by now which way to turn the ignition switch to turn a vehicle off. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by apache snow on 04/13/13 at 12:37:21 I do try to remember the down position but I don't call a car a cage. Never saw the need for that. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by rfw2003 on 04/13/13 at 12:42:06 2D3C2D2F24293F22233B4C0 wrote:
I normally don't call them a cage either, it's just a habit I've picked up from the motorcycle forums, so it comes out automatically when I'm typing it on them. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by Charon on 04/13/13 at 13:03:39 At least on mine, the 4-way flashers only work when the ignition is ON. It is said that California is the guilty party in the park light requirement. They are said to have required that motorcycles (probably all vehicles) had to have a light which would remain on for at least a half-hour if the bike were to be parked beside the road. That led to a requirement for a battery, which led to electric starters and electronic ignitions (indirectly) since the power source was already there. By the way, I think it is hilarious that a person who thinks points, side valves, and kick starters are superior is willing to use the latest in electronics, a computer and the Internet. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by SALB on 04/13/13 at 13:06:53 RFW wrote: To be honest you just gotta learn down (counter clockwise) to turn off, just like a cage. If you do that you will never have the issue of leaving it in park position. If you drive a cage it should be burned in by now which way to turn the ignition switch to turn a vehicle off. R.F I'm in the habit of getting off the bike and turning the switch counterclockwise with my right hand. It's the odd occasion when I stay on the bike and turn it off with my left hand that I always seem to burn myself. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by SALB on 04/16/13 at 20:18:55 Update: Bike wouldn't start this morning again, this time I cranked three of four more times, and ran the battery down to where it wouldn't start tonight when I came home. This is how I jumped it. Bike in neutral in front of truck. Clutch pulled and tied in place. Negative clamps hooked to both vehicles. Hook positive to truck with other clamp in other hand. Push start button before shorting other positive clamp to main pole on starter so as to energize circuit before hand. The bike started right up. Now I get to figure out why it won't start in the 30s when its been starting all winter through colder temps. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by old_rider on 04/16/13 at 20:52:51 One or two dead cells? bad cells? low acid in one or two cells? |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by verslagen1 on 04/16/13 at 21:29:11 yes, check voltage before starting and after while running. get yourself a float charger too. |
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Title: Re: Jump Start? Post by SALB on 04/17/13 at 12:09:35 It started this morning with no problem at 27 degrees and fresh gas. I wonder if I had some bad fuel, or maybe they had prematurely switched from winter blend. :-/ Lows are supposed to be in the upper forties by the end of the week. 8-) |
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