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Message started by stewmills on 04/01/13 at 22:47:17

Title: Valve Check
Post by stewmills on 04/01/13 at 22:47:17

I got my valves checked at the stealership at ~600 miles after break-in about a year ago as per the manual. I am coming up on ~2000 miles and she's running great. Manual says check valve clearance at 4000 miles/12 months. Do I really need to worry with the valve check at 12 months or keep on until I hit 4000 miles?

I don't hear any knocking or clanking, only the faint electrical sounding tick, tick, tick, tick if you put your head close enough to the engine which I understand to be normal, right? Otherwise, if she were having valve clearance issues I imagine I would hear some really noticeable TING, TING, TING, TING....right?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by Dave on 04/02/13 at 02:53:46

While I would adhere to an oil change at 12 month minimum intervals to keep corrosion at bay (regardless of mileage), the valve clearances really don't care how much time passes. The valves and rockers and cam are more dependant on mileage......

If you dealer is a stickler for details and you have any concerns about warranty issues and denial of coverage based on a time lapse between valve adjustments....then maybe you should go. If you are out of warranty and on your own......wait for the valve clearance check until you reach the recommended mileage. And learn to do that procedure yourself and save some bucks!

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/13 at 07:10:34

Valves dont get out of adjustment sitting. Only wear changes it.
The adjusters are pointed bolts, basically. When new, the ends are just plaino metal, but, as time goes by & the rounded ends have banged into valves Over and Over & Over, they mash down a bit & as they get mashed, surface area making contact increases AND the metal work hardens, so, by about 12,000 miles, the adjusters really slow down on how they change, so, valves slow down on how often they need adjusted.
Now, IF a seat should happen to have not been fully inserted into the head at the factory & it slowly move completely into position, then your valve adjustment will close down & Could cause a problem,

Checking the clearance is nothing, anyone can do that, just do it w/ engine cold. Adjusting it if its not in spec? Anyopne can do that too, but IM not explaining it here right now.

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by verslagen1 on 04/02/13 at 07:15:52

656273617B7F7A7A65160 wrote:

I don't hear any knocking or clanking, only the faint electrical sounding tick, tick, tick, tick if you put your head close enough to the engine which I understand to be normal, right?

Right, you've just done the official stealership valve check. Charge yourself $200 and be happy. 8-)

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by Oldfeller on 04/02/13 at 07:19:07

Verslagen is not kidding, if it says "check the valves" it does NOT mean adjust the valves.

And the assholes really do charge you the official book rate for bending over and listening for 4 seconds ....

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by Arnold on 04/02/13 at 12:45:07

Is that right that some pinging is normal but knocking is not?

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by Dane Allen on 04/02/13 at 12:56:31

I got the 5 year warranty and am really starting to regret it. I get the bad feeling that I paid $600 for the priviledge of being obligated to the dealership for an extra $320 every 4-6 months. Wife is gonna be pissed but it is probably much, much cheaper to abandon the warranty to save myself about $4,000 over the next 5 years. >:( :-[ :o :(

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by verslagen1 on 04/02/13 at 13:13:43

3623383B3B32233225570 wrote:

Is that right that some pinging is normal but knocking is not?

What is refered to as pinging or knocking is not normal.

especially with a savage.

pinging or knocking is generally said to be pre ignition usually found on high compression engines using regular.

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by verslagen1 on 04/02/13 at 13:44:56

11343B30143939303B550 wrote:

If they want to contest it, they can say the air passed thru the bike was wrong.

keep your receipts, make yourself a log book and deligently record your maitenance. Not any different issue than with cars. pictures of the mileage and with the oil filter cover off should be conclusive evidence. And the nail in the coffin would be bagged and tagged used parts.

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by Dane Allen on 04/02/13 at 13:55:08

4F5C4B4A55585E5C5708390 wrote:

[quote author=11343B30143939303B550 link=1364881637/0#6 date=1364932591]I got the 5 year warranty and am really starting to regret it. I get the bad feeling that I paid $600 for the priviledge of being obligated to the dealership for an extra $320 every 4-6 months. Wife is gonna be pissed but it is probably much, much cheaper to abandon the warranty to save myself about $4,000 over the next 5 years. >:( :-[ :o :(

Title: Re: Valve Check
Post by stewmills on 04/02/13 at 15:42:46

Thanks all. Sounds like I am on the right track...just keep riding and worry with it when I hit the mileage.

I have changed the oil twice (first when I bough it as a barn find with 400 miles as it sat for 4 years, and again at ~1000 miles just to make sure anything stuck up in there from sitting so long had cleaned its way out).

So far, so good...