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Title: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by Greg on 03/29/13 at 10:47:14 I am not asking which brand is better. That has been covered. I did not see a good discussion on using regular or synthetic oil. Or a blend for the 'benefits' of each. I currently use a blend. It is soon time to change the oil. I am just looking for opinions which is better and why that is. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by rfw2003 on 03/29/13 at 11:30:08 Myself I prefer full syn oils. The additive packages are normally much better then dino or blend oils. Meaning they have better cleaning abilities and also can survive harsher environments much better. Full syn oils also keep to their advertised viscosity under even extreme conditions where dino based oils fail to do this. Full syn oils also have a much higher temp range they can survive in before they break down and stop working as a lubricant in the engine. R.F. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by Greg on 03/29/13 at 11:57:03 Thanks RF. Does anyone know what the purported benefits of regular oil are in our bikes? |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by WD on 03/29/13 at 12:23:36 Cost effective. And it is such a low compression loose tolerance engine that it doesn't need all the latest greatest gee whiz "miracle juice du jour". It's a 1962 spec valve train (except in the 60s the Japanese were smart enough to use actual bearings instead of the head base metal as cam bearings). 1930s spec clutch. Trust me, the bike doesn't care one way or the other. Just avoid high paraffin garbage like Quaker State and Pennzoil. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by verslagen1 on 03/29/13 at 12:38:10 I like to keep 2 qts of oil in mine, but sometimes gets down to a qt and a half. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by SALB on 03/29/13 at 13:13:11 I use the cheaper dino in the winter when I have to change oil on average every 800 miles because of all the cold starts and never getting the engine fully warmed up. Summer time, I prefer full synthetic for those times it's over 100 degrees, and I have to set at a stoplight for 5 minutes idling. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by Greg on 03/29/13 at 15:26:51 Thanks for the additional info guys. I am also wondering if there can be any problems by using synthetic. I understand years ago there were leakage problems and the inability to switch back and forth. Research indicates that has been resolved. I just don't find much information about potential issues with bikes, particularly our classic design of an engine. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/29/13 at 15:47:33 If I lived in an oven, like the Rowboat, Id problee use a blend, but in East TX, its not just scorchin hot, so, I run plaino Rotella. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by bill67 on 03/29/13 at 16:07:11 I haven't used anything but synthetic since they came out,I use Mobil-1 in cars and trucks,And Klotz in motorcycles and lawnmowers. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by houstonbofh on 03/29/13 at 22:34:16 Everything I own is powered by dead animals. (Dyno oil) The big advantage of synthetic is that it lasts longer. But with a wet clutch, you still have to change at the same interval... Kinda pointless to spend the mony on something you do not use... |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by rustysavage on 03/30/13 at 17:48:33 Following the recommended maintenance schedule for any manufacture is for dino oil. None recommend extended oil change intervals with synthetic oil. So for me if your oil change for example is every 5000 kms with dino or synthetic, why pay more for synthetic. I compare it to running premium gas when regular gas is all you need. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by Serowbot on 03/30/13 at 17:57:49 7B646265787F4E7E4E76646823110 wrote:
...plaino Rotella for me, too... If it's too hot for the bike,.. it's too hot for me too... I mostly ride the Lemon (Mt.Lemon) in summer... :-?... Dino oil is half synth today anyways... |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by Dave on 04/01/13 at 05:29:02 I am using Rotella T in my Savage and car.....works just fine. In my trials bike that only holds 800cc of oil (and someties gets turned upside down as a result of operator error)......I use an esther base oil (Maxima). I am wiling to bet that most of us who change oil regulary have never had an oil failure - with either dino or synthentic. Most engine problems come from stuff other than using the wrong oil. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by Greg on 04/01/13 at 06:19:42 What is a regular oil change? Does once a year count if you put on 10K miles per year? |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/13 at 06:28:35 3D2B3C21392C213A4E0 wrote:
...plaino Rotella for me, too... If it's too hot for the bike,.. it's too hot for me too... I mostly ride the Lemon (Mt.Lemon) in summer... :-?... Dino oil is half synth today anyways...[/quote] If it's too hot for the bike,.. it's too hot for me too... Hadnt thot of that.. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by Dave on 04/01/13 at 08:11:04 4346414A4D47240 wrote:
Do you have an owners manual? http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/transfer/2002_LS650P_Owners_Manual.pdf Ever read it? 1st oil change: 600 miles or 2 months. 2nd oil change: 4,000 miles or 12 months 3rd oil change: 7,500 miles or 24 months 4th oil change: 11,000 miles or 36 months 5th oil change: 15,000 miles or 48 months. You are supposed to change whenever your reach the mileage or the age. It looks like Suzuki suggests once a year or 4,000 miles once you get past the break in period. I probaby change much soooer than they recommed. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by WD on 04/01/13 at 10:03:54 If your clutch gets grabby or slipping, or you start missing shifts, change your oil. That's the frequency for your particular bike. No two will be the same. If your petcock dumps a ton of raw fuel into the crankcase because your float needle is also a p.o.s., change your oil. The 1998 book (and the books for my old 99 and 05 VN800s) also says somewhere in it that the bike's service life is 5 years or 15K miles... ::) Hmm, mine is 3 times that old and hasn't had a terminal failure yet (just electrical issues). Sure wish we had access to the threads on the old forum, we proved all kinds of errors in the owner's book that ships with the bikes. |
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Title: Re: Dino, Synthetic, or Blend? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/13 at 10:10:56 My bike starts using oil before I get to the 3,000 mile mark. I dont worry about time or miles, I just watch the oil level. When I see it "asking" for oil more often, I change it,. |
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