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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1364309683 Message started by newb_Jack on 03/26/13 at 07:54:43 |
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Title: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge? Post by newb_Jack on 03/26/13 at 07:54:43 Hey gang. First post, been lurking for a few months now. I am a new rider and have little to no experience with engine maintenance. I don't even have any tools, (I'd like to get a tool kit for the bike though!). I usually keep my bike in a heated garage a few miles from my apartment, I live in Brooklyn, NY. I have a 1999 LS650 Savage. I bought it used last December with a little over 5000 miles on it, (yes 5000). I rode it on any nice weekend through the winter. It has been running well, besides some backfiring. I ran a few errands this weekend on it and then parked it outside my apartment and rushed off to go play hockey (and drink many beers). When I got back home that night, I found that when I had taken the keys out earlier, I accidentaly switched the ignition to "P" instead of "Off". So the tail light was on for about 11 hours. The next morning when I tried starting the bike (repeatedly) it would not start. It would chug a little (turn over?) and then click a few times. After a few tries it just started clicking without the turning over. Today I tried to push start the bike just so that I could get it back to the garage. I put the bike in 2nd gear and ran down the street with the clutch in and when I thought I was going at a good rate of speed would ease the clutch out. I tried that 2 times and it didn't work. Then I put it into 3rd gear and tried 2 more times and couldn't get it to start. By then I was exhausted so I gave up for the day. Is there an easier way to get my bike to start? I'm guessing that I need to recharge the battery but I'm not exactly sure how to do that or if there is a specific charger I would need to get. Any insight would be VERY much appreciated. Thanks, guys. Hope y'all have a good day. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by newb_Jack on 03/26/13 at 07:56:31 http://i.imgur.com/Bc9T6l.jpg My steed. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by Dave on 03/26/13 at 08:01:22 Read this post....just a few lines down from yours. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1363975347 |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/13 at 08:02:00 Pawn shops & Harbor Freight &, I know theres another tool outlet LIke HF,, But, whatever, youre gonna NEED tools. Id pull the battery, check H2O level, take it to a parts house for them to charge & check. OR, if its an old battery already & if you dont want to get left someplace with a bike with a dead battery, put a new, glass mat type in it & know youve got a good battery. For newbies, I recommend eliminating that variable anyway. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by Dave on 03/26/13 at 08:26:42 The charging system on the Savage is not very powerful. It is even possible to run the battery down by making too frequent of stops and not riding long enough for the charging to catch up with the use of the starter. And although it helps you to be seen - the headlight being on all the time does use electrical power. Push starting is almost impossible for those of us that are not heavy enough to keep the back wheel from sliding - and the ignition system reguires nearly full voltage to make a spark. The ignition often requires more voltage than the starting system - so sometimes a run down battery can power the starter but not have enough voltage to make the sparkplug work. You need to get your battery charged or replaced...then go from there. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by oldNslow on 03/26/13 at 08:41:22 Forgive me if my question is hijacking this thread, but I think it's relevant. Is it even possible to bump start a Savage if the clutch safety has not been disabled? I looked at my wiring diagram and I'm not sure. And I'm way to old to actually go out and try :( |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by Paladin. on 03/26/13 at 08:53:40 414A48404E4F465E5842482B0 wrote:
The correct way, or my way? Remove the chrome tool cover. See the battery, see the rubber cover on the fat wire. Lift and clip to the red wire from the charger. Clip the black wire of the charger to the engine, any metal. I use a standard automobile battery charger, on the 2 amp level, which is made for small batteries. Left it charge for about 8 hours, or overnight. If in a hurry, and don't mind abusing the battery, the 10-12 amp level will give you enough power to start in just one hour. An AGM battery can be abused. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by verslagen1 on 03/26/13 at 09:22:12 6A5455594B5756380 wrote:
Yes, it is possible to bump start the savage in stock form. Clutch safety only disables the starter button. So, let's say you're running down the superslab and you run outta gas. You switch to reserve but it's not picking up and you make the mistake of pulling in the clutch so it stops spinning, you still got speed and you're currently in no danger of being run over so you decide to bump start it at speed and all she does is lock up. What do you do? (jepardy theme music here) push the starter button to get the motor spinning then let out the clutch for a high speed start. This same procedure can be done from a running start as well. But with a nearly dead battery it will sputter a few times while the battery recovers from spinning the starter. If your battery is one step from the grave and you gotta start it, you still can, but you gotta set it up right and getrdon the 1st time. Suk could've done us a favor by setting up the lights on 1 fuse and the ig on another. But probably couldn't due headlight requirements while running. For a really dead battery, pull the headlight and pull the connector. put in a high gear and bump the bike forward, !!!not backward!!! til you can operate the decomp lever by hand. I might even go till it starts pushing back down. This puts the engine in the exhaust stroke. Now you can bump start it w/out it locking up. Put the petcock in prime, tap w/a screw driver and make sure the float isn't stuck. Put it in a low gear, ig on, pull in the clutch and run like hell... don't forget the bike. ;D Jump on, get a grip and let out the clutch. Some people use 2nd, I use 1st cuz you can just leave it chugging till she smooths out or stops. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by oldNslow on 03/26/13 at 09:43:48 verslagen1 wrote: Quote:
That's valuable info. Should be in the tech section if it's not already there. Don't think I'll be tryin' it though. Give myself a heart attack. I'll just be real carefull with the key !! :) |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by verslagen1 on 03/26/13 at 09:58:59 5F61606C7E62630D0 wrote:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1337452721 I don't know where to put the link yet. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/26/13 at 10:02:12 I weigh about 150. I tried 1st, 2nd, 3rd,, never was able to get it turning over 2 times. Only time I ever actually had the motor spinning w/o the starter was on the downside of a nice hill,,, after 1/2 block of bluhhbluhhbluhhbluhhsputterbluhhbluhhbluhh I was at the bottom & still no joy,,, POOT! |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by oldNslow on 03/26/13 at 10:16:55 Quote:
"Miscellaneous" ? |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by Dave on 03/26/13 at 10:18:40 Yep....I weigh 156 and with pushing and shoven and hoppen on I was able to slide the back tire in 1st, 2nd and 3rd gear for a few feet. I did get it to fire once or twice in 4th gear....but it stalled immediately. I was on flat river bottom land.....no hill in sight and by the time I got it up to speed and jumped on and but it in gear.....there was not much speed left. I eventually got a jump from a car and connected jumper cables to the a big bolt on the frame and then directly to the starter......with the key in the on position if fired right up. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by rfw2003 on 03/26/13 at 10:25:02 392A3D3C232E282A217E4F0 wrote:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1337452721 I don't know where to put the link yet.[/quote] I'd say either in the General or Misc in the table of contents of the Tech section Or "Things every savage newb should know..." Sticky in the rubber side down section R.F. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by RidgeRunner13 on 03/26/13 at 10:42:00 I drilled a hole in the headlight shell & added a toggle switch with water proof cover. I cut the ground wire for the headlight & ran it through the switch. If it turns over & almost starts, switching the headlight off is often enough extra voltage for it to fire right up on the next try. Works for me, so I thought I would pass it along. 8-) If shes' been parked a couple of days, I turn off the headlight before I even try to start her. ;) |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by newb_Jack on 03/26/13 at 18:33:40 Thanks for all the replies. I guess I'm just going to try to take out the battery and take it to the garage that I usually keep my bike in. Hopefully they'll have a charger I can use. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by oldNslow on 03/27/13 at 05:36:37 6D66646C62636A72746E64070 wrote:
Make sure the charger can be set to charge at 1-2 AMPS. A lot of chargers made for cars can't be set that low. A typical 20 AMP car charger will ruin your battery if you leave it on for very long. They're OK for jump starting a bike but not for rcharging a dead or almost dead motorcycle battery. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by newb_Jack on 03/27/13 at 12:11:30 I was able to disconnect the battery this morning and took it to the garage I keep my bike in. Set it up to charge. Can somebody tell me what these tubes are though? What I should be doing with them or where I should be connecting them to something? These are taken from the left side of the bike (if you were sitting on it). THANK! YOUS!! http://i.imgur.com/VXrXl0ol.jpg http://i.imgur.com/H0m1foUl.jpg |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by verslagen1 on 03/27/13 at 13:23:28 Really depends on what the other end is hooked to :-? They might be the carb vent tubes and therefore shouldn't be hooked to anything. But they should be tucked up into the frame above the carb. |
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Title: Re: Drained battery. Couldn't push start. Recharge Post by newb_Jack on 03/27/13 at 14:50:11 Ah. Excellent. I didn't think that I unhooked them from anything, but am still quite ignorant as to all the parts and how everything works. Thank you very much! (I will look to see what they're attached to :D ) |
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