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Message started by dirty dog on 03/18/13 at 10:37:05

Title: hardtail's
Post by dirty dog on 03/18/13 at 10:37:05

Hay out there I'm new to savage world but I'm building a hard tail for one that I have. I'll post some pic. when get set up it is there any inrest
out there for a weld on kit like the one's for the xs650 world ( I have built 5 of them so far ) no I'd like to start building ls 650 hard tail kits. Like the ons or the xs650 cost would be some where around $250.00
for the diy kit.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Dave on 03/19/13 at 04:52:24

There was another fellow within the last year that was going to make hardtails available. He wanted input on the length and some other particulars that people wanted. As far as I know.....He never actually came throug and built any.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by WD on 03/19/13 at 06:41:16

I'd honestly be more interested in a BMW/Indian/BSA type plunger frame.

The Savage wheelbase is so small that a rigid frame keeping the factory belt drive setup looks rather stubby. With a chain conversion and a 4" rearward stretch a weld on rigid conversion looks really good on them. A bolt on conversion like those available for XLs, Big Twins, Brit twins and XS650s would likely sell better than a weld on kit, but, the frame is so odd as shipped that it isn't really feasible.

If somebody could engineer an honest, functional, bolt in points conversion and/or kicker conversion...

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by 12Bravo on 03/19/13 at 08:55:29

RYCA Motors makes a bolt on hard tail kit.
http://www.rycamotors.com/bikes/RR1/about/index.html

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by dirty dog on 03/19/13 at 09:06:30

the rtca is big $$$ and looks stubby mine would be 4" longer and chain drive

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Demin on 03/19/13 at 11:11:19

HOLY CRAP !!!!!!!!!! $995.00 for a bolt on hardtail.You can get a whole frame from Voodoo Vintage for that.I just bought a weld on hardtail for an XS for just over $200.00.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Smokestack on 03/19/13 at 14:36:49

Yeah, the Ryca stuff is spendy, and way too rich for my blood. A weld on could be sweet, though. The XS650 weld-on's out there generally look pretty good, IMO.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by ZAR on 03/19/13 at 18:41:07

I'm with WD....a plunger type frame,similar to the Saviour frame from Amen company back in the late 1970's would be trick!

I can picture a plunger frame and a springer front carrying a Savage engine. Talk about a head-turner! Heat it up with Lancers 694cc kit and cam.......a real Hurley killer!

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by verslagen1 on 03/19/13 at 18:48:12

How was dampning done?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_3qJOyFZDiLp3LlcYxNHuXNg3vSQU0f3eCIOmBRDUjYYT9JF8WA

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by WD on 03/19/13 at 19:11:27

By the springs, same as on a springer.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by ZAR on 03/19/13 at 19:14:05

7A697E7F606D6B69623D0C0 wrote:

How was dampning done?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_3qJOyFZDiLp3LlcYxNHuXNg3vSQU0f3eCIOmBRDUjYYT9JF8WA

Aw Versy!!! Now yer gettin teckinal on me! ;D

Honestly, it's been too many years ago. I had a Triumph 650 single-carb mounted in a "Saviour" frame designed for the Honda 750-4 and it really rode and handled pretty good on our Kentucky two-lane roads and in those days I rode "balls-out" most of the time. The friend that helped me build the scoot did all the set-up work and tuned the plunger and springer every winter for me. I will admit to also having a sprung solo seat that helped too!

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by dirty dog on 04/09/13 at 14:47:54

here are the pic's of my prototype hard tail I'm building
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTwk3VeOpqsqQnUzRBN9qt90WvZPWHj32ZHr250plw34n_rL4M5jghttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRcxgjMJedEh02uMaGU4maxYvl7cY8dZKikvuGHGt-QpMDvZyQ3

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by dirty dog on 04/09/13 at 14:50:31

http://www.xs650.com/forum/albumpicturesthumbs/12/80166b7316499b8e2c82a2b4fc010c96_12549.jpg?dl=1365543405
$ 300.00 in a diy kit tac'ed together $400.welded (mig welded)
I don't have a tig.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by gdrseeker on 04/09/13 at 14:58:17

Need some bigger pictures.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Jahoo on 04/10/13 at 06:39:28

Anyone have any pictures of a weld on with stock belt drive? I hard tail strutted mine but I'm looking to do a full on weld on as soon as I get someone who can weld and willing to not rape my bank account. I'd like to keep the belt drive could I just get a longer belt if the weld on doesn't look right?

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Dave on 04/10/13 at 06:51:56

012A2324244B0 wrote:

I don't believe you can get a longer belt. Another fellow on this site contacted the manufacturer of the belt, and they claimed their belts in longer lengths are not made the same and would not hold up to motorcycle use. The Kawasaki EN LTD has the same belt that is about 1/2 inch longer or somewhere around that........but those belts are hundreds of dollars.......for half an inch increase in length.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by EJID on 04/10/13 at 08:36:42

2B283E3F292927293E4C0 wrote:

Need some bigger pictures.

Here's the bigger picture...

http://www.xs650.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1099&pictureid=12549

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by dirty dog on 04/10/13 at 09:05:18

mine could be shortened up to work with belt ( I thing they look to stubby imo) my kit in an unwelded kit could be adjusted to fit any
lenght for belt or chain

thanks Dirty dog (aka dan) 8-)

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by WD on 04/10/13 at 09:49:19

You know, a hinged rear fender off a UL/VL, Knuckle or Pan would go really well with that frame...

I run a solid version off an FL Shovelhead on my bike.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/13 at 09:53:25

If you search thru the kawa bikes starting with the EN440, a few use belts that is similar to ours, not exactly but close enough to be compatible. And longer. The EN440 (I'll have to look it up) was the shortest, but about a 1" longer. I scored both pulleys and a belt for about $50. I forgot how I found the belt lengths, possibly thru the OEM suppliers, some will list number of teeth.

The tooth count of the kawa belt I got is 137
ours is 133
that's about 1.1" longer between centers.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Cavi Mike on 04/11/13 at 18:17:28

What about a HD belt?

https://www.denniskirk.com/panther/rear-belt-621232.p02504.prd/02504.sku

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by EJID on 04/26/13 at 08:22:04

Just saw VoodooVintage post this on their facebook page last night...

No word about it on their website though :-/

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Cavi Mike on 04/26/13 at 08:31:38

There's a small picture of one complete on the bottom of their homepage

http://www.voodoovintage.com/images/index/about_06.png

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Charon on 04/26/13 at 08:46:51

My very limited experience with hardtails came from Cushman scooters decades ago. The hardtail essentially destroys any usefulness of the rear brake, unless the road is very smooth. Most Cushmans had only rear brakes - no front brakes at all. When the rear brake is applied, and the wheel hits a bump, it bounces into the air; the brake locks; and when it comes down it skids. Your experience may differ, but for that reason alone I won't have a hardtail. The rear suspension forces the wheel to stay in contact with the road much better than gravity alone.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by dirty dog on 04/26/13 at 10:25:47

I have road hardtails for years now,my dailey ride is rear brake only,
I have never had any problems stoping.imo. 8-)

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by groupus on 04/26/13 at 11:11:10

Those guys at voodoo are legit. i didn't see a kit for the savage, as it appears to still be in development. I remember the one guy from voodoo was on this site a while ago building one. It would be worth emailing them. judging by their other kits, a weld-on would be in the $200-300 range. Hell, 3 of the 7 photos on their home page are of a savage! http://www.voodoovintage.com/index.html

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152768775380001.965203.428566455000&type=3

Edit: I do not represent them, but I have seen some fine work at voodoo. Their contact email is david@voodoovintage.com

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Demin on 04/26/13 at 18:26:51

I just bought a weldon hardtail for an XS650 I'm building.Quality is superb.
http://p1.bikepics.com/2013/04/24/bikepics-2546135-800.jpg

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by ZAR on 04/26/13 at 19:07:53

Hey Denim.....do you run a custom shop or are ya just a serious hobbyist

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Demin on 04/27/13 at 10:08:23

Kinda both.The work took over the hobbiest.My main shop is working on cars.But I did become a V-TWIN dealer.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Whistles83 on 05/20/13 at 17:45:56

David at VoodooVintage has released his new weld on hardtail for the savage... $220 for a weld yourself kit.... $300 for an assembled hardtail. Nearly 4" stretch and a 2" drop. Pretty sweet deal, and I plan on getting one once I replenish the bike build account.

Whistles.

Title: Re: hardtail's
Post by Badass94Cad on 05/21/13 at 17:40:11

That's good news! 8-)