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Title: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by scubachef on 02/21/13 at 16:18:45 I am switching wheels currently and was looking at various balancing options that would allow me to not have those lovely lead weights anywhere. Does anyone have any personal experience with the Ride On product linked below. Thanks. http://www.ride-on.com/how-does-ride-on-tps-help-balance-tires-and-reduce-vibrations.html |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Serowbot on 02/21/13 at 17:19:14 Tire shops will curse you... |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/21/13 at 19:19:21 scubachef stated: "I am switching wheels currently and was looking at various balancing options that would allow me to not have those lovely lead weights anywhere. Does anyone have any personal experience with the Ride On product linked below. Thanks." http://www.ride-on.com/how-does-ride-on-tps-help-balance-tires-and-reduce-vib... hexnut stated: "I have no personal experience because this product is not for me. Even if it would work, I doubt it would work in a tube." I have been using liquid tire balancers for over half a century. They work well. The only problem I ever had was when I was making them myself, they started getting thick. All the commercial versions I have used like PJ1 Balance Plus, work forever. AND,... you never have to mess with ugly wheel weights. They have two reeeeeeeeaally good functions: -- they balance the tire/tube/wheel forever,.. they only time they need replacing is when the tire wears out and needs replacement. -- they stop slow leaks completely, and most of them seal nail holes, so most unexpected flat tires from relatively small punctures never happen. The one disadvantage here is that you have to check your tires frequently to make sure you don't have a nail in it where the sealant/balancer is preventing a leak. "I have no experience with this product because it is not for me." This sounds like what my current wife says when I suggest she try something she doesn't know anything about. For example, when I suggested we get her a computer, the conversation went like this: -- Let's get a computer for you. Then you can keep in contact with the Granddots, and you can use all those websites the cookings shows and shopping channels use that you watch all the time that you keep asking me about -- I hate computers. -- Have you ever used a computer? -- No -- How do you know you hate them, then? -- I just do,.. they are not for me. -- Is it that you can't type, or cant read or something? -- No, I can type a lot faster than you and read better too. -- So then why do you hate computers? -- I just do. -- But you've never used one, you have no idea what they are like. -- I don't like them. They are not for me. That went on for days. Finally her sister told her to get a computer, so she did. Now she loves it. She is on her forums all the time, and is an emailing wonder with the Granddots. The moral,.. don't knock it 'til you've tried it. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by houstonbofh on 02/21/13 at 19:24:59 Dyna Beads kinda started this market. And according to the FAQ, they will work in tubes. http://www.innovativebalancing.com/news.htm As for the concept itself, a lot of people swear by it, and use them each time they get new tires. There are questions about clumping, but I do not know anyone who actually had the problem themselves. (But they all seem to have this friend of a friend who knows a guy...) That said, I do not use them. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by clearush on 02/21/13 at 19:35:44 Dyna beads are fantastic my ride is so much smoother once I changed my rear tire and added dyna beads, mostly lazy on my part and didn't want to bother with the lead weight process. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Cavi Mike on 02/21/13 at 21:00:12 Lots of cruiser guys don't even bother balancing their tires because they aren't ever really going fast enough or going that fast for long enough for it to matter. As long as your wheels are straight and true, your slightly off-balance tire isn't going to matter any. To be annoyed by a little weight on your rim that you're willing to permanently affect your tire balance if you don't follow the instructions PERFECTLY... Your call dude. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by RidgeRunner13 on 02/21/13 at 21:15:15 I've used DynaBeads for about 2 years now. I started by trying them in both bikes & liked the results. I put a new set of tires on my wifes' 98 Buick LeSabre & used them & she has made no complaints. Before I was having to rebalance her tires at least once a year. When my Toyota pickup developed a shake, I pulled the weights & put 3 ounces in each tire & it went away. I recently replaced the front tire on my 950. I used a knee high stocking on the end of my vacuum hose to suck them out, then dumped them in the new tire for reuse. Seems to be working just fine, I can cruise at 75-80 mph with no tire vibes. 8-) Cavi, I don't know who your post was directed at but Dyna-Beads aren't permanent. :o |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Cavi Mike on 02/21/13 at 22:31:35 003B36353700273C3C37206361520 wrote:
I was talking about the liquid TPS mentioned in the first post. I've done no research on the "beads" you mentioned. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 06:46:48 6169767160726477713534050 wrote:
I have been turning wrenches for 56 years. If you haven't tried a dynamic balancing system, you don't know what it is like,... so not liking it is simply your choice,.. a choice based on emotion, not fact. I'm not trying to say you are wrong, nor am I trying to convince you to use it,.. I could care less. I just don't want someone who is considering this to think you have any valid reasons for not liking it. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 06:50:25 7A584F507450525C390 wrote:
I was talking about the liquid TPS mentioned in the first post. I've done no research on the "beads" you mentioned.[/quote] The beads and the gooey stuff work on the same principle. When an out of balance tire starts to rotate, the stuff inside automatically moves to the lighter side. One of the advantages to the gooey stuff is that slow leaks are eliminated forever,... and most small punctures are sealed pretty quickly. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by DavidOfMA on 02/22/13 at 06:59:01 29392F383B39323F3C5A0 wrote:
When I got my S40, it had a slow leak in the rear tire/tube. Couldn't find a puncture, so I put Ride On in it an the leak stopped and has stayed stopped. Didn't remove the existing weights, but did notice a slight lessening of vibration, so maybe the balance was a bit off and this corrected it. I got it mainly to prevent leaks on long trips, which I take a couple of times a year. Seems like a good product, and no problems with "clumping" even when I ride in cold weather. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 07:07:16 393F3232363F343339382F5D0 wrote:
When I got my S40, it had a slow leak in the rear tire/tube. Couldn't find a puncture, so I put Ride On in it an the leak stopped and has stayed stopped. Didn't remove the existing weights, but did notice a slight lessening of vibration, so maybe the balance was a bit off and this corrected it. I got it mainly to prevent leaks on long trips, which I take a couple of times a year. Seems like a good product, and no problems with "clumping" even when I ride in cold weather.[/quote] You can take off the weights. Things will stay nice and smooth. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 07:44:06 272F303726342231377372430 wrote:
I have been turning wrenches for 56 years. If you haven't tried a dynamic balancing system, you don't know what it is like,... so not liking it is simply your choice,.. a choice based on emotion, not fact. I'm not trying to say you are wrong, nor am I trying to convince you to use it,.. I could care less. I just don't want someone who is considering this to think you have any valid reasons for not liking it. [/quote] So you started when you were 9 huh.. And my choice is NOT based on emotion but facts I undercovered while researching it. Have a good day, hex[/quote] My Dad had me overhauling lawn mowers and assembling bicycles from spare parts at around that age, yes. He was big on that kind of thing. When I was five, he thought I was going to be a sissy when I wanted (for xmas) a toy washer and dryer set. I had seen one in a store that looked just like what my Mom had. He was relieved when the first thing I did with the washer and dryer was get some pliers and a screwdriver to start taking them apart to see the mechanical workings inside. He made me reassemble them, even though I never wanted to "play" with them once I had them apart. "And my choice is NOT based on emotion but facts I undercovered while researching it." I don't know what you mean by undercovered, but if you have no experience with it, then your "facts" are just hearsay. If you had ever tried it, you would have a different story. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by scubachef on 02/22/13 at 08:32:55 Thanks for the responses everyone. Good to hear some experience with this specific product as well. I am going to give it a go! |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by DavidOfMA on 02/22/13 at 09:21:32 6274637E66737E65110 wrote:
I don't see why they would. The stuff is in the tube, not the tire, and anyway it's water soluble. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 09:30:23 2C3C2A3D3E3C373A395F0 wrote:
Good idea. What's the worst that could happen?,.... it doesn't work and you revert to old-style balancing. Ain't no biggy. You'll be pleased though. I've always used PJ1 as the balancer. There are other brands that do the same thing,... even slime. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 09:31:26 4E484545414843444E4F582A0 wrote:
I don't see why they would. The stuff is in the tube, not the tire, and anyway it's water soluble. [/quote] Most of my bikes for the last few decades have had tubeless tires,.. so it is messy when you change a tire. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by WD on 02/22/13 at 10:11:53 We use a calcium based weight solution in the larger tractors. No sealant capability in the stuff. After a few years the rims have rotted (usually around the valve stem) to the point of add tubes or swap out for new rims. Standard balance weights on the cars and trucks. Lead balance the bare rim, then add the bike tire. I've never had to add additional weight on any tire I've mounted up, and I've done hundreds. If the customer did not tell me there was "gunk" in his tire/tube before I started in on it, he got charged $100 extra for the nuisance factor. It may say water soluble, but once it has been in use for a few months (or years) it takes a wire brush and kerosene to get it out of the rim. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 10:23:57 6A793D0 wrote:
I had a 1984 Gold Wing Standard that I put over 100,000 miles on in over two decades. As you would expect, I went through a LOT of rear tires. -- I always used PJ1 Balance Plus instead of wheel weights. It was messy when I took the tire off each time, but nothing more than a few paper towels were required for clean up. -- I replaced the valve stem a few times, but only because it seemed to be the right thing to do every few years or so. No corrosion. -- The rim looked pretty much new inside after all those years when I did the last tire change before selling the thing. No corrosion. -- I did discover a nail in the tire one time. It had been there for a while because the head was almost worn off. Fortunately it happened when the tire was within a thousand miles or so of needing replacement anyway. Tire pressure had stayed good the whole time,... so the sealant property of the PJ1 worked fine. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 10:42:15 5E56494E5F4D5B484E0A0B3A0 wrote:
for you,.. pretty much |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by bill67 on 02/22/13 at 11:36:42 I think that makes them appear dumber,Sorta like a wantabe somebody person that never quiet made it. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Dave on 02/22/13 at 12:17:46 0C1F5B0 wrote:
There is no reason to compare the calcium "salt water" product that is used in tractor tires to the tirs sealant or balancing products. Tractor tires have 50, 100 or more gallons of the stuff in each tire....and it has to be affordable in those quantities....it is just salt water and has absoultey no balancing effect whatever. I witnessed a friends dad almost lose control of his tractor when he was coasting down a hill and got going too fast and the callcium filled tires started bouncing the rear of the tractor off the pavement and into the air. I did buy a cheap "Monkey Grip" product and put it into my lawn tractor tires to stop the Locust thorns from flattening my mower tires all the time. The tires were tubeless and the Monkey Grip sealant dissolved the inside of the tire, and the chords all came loose. I do use the green "SLIME" now, and I have never had a problem with it. I have used it in my Off Road motorcycles to prevent flats - but I have never used it in my street bike. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/22/13 at 12:28:12 4C445B5C4D5F495A5C1819280 wrote:
I don't want to get into a credentials war,... it would make me seem like a bully. Font, by the way, is not large or small. Font is type style, such as Arial, or Times New Roman. What you refer to is type size, or, if you like, character size. I like the larger characters and Arial font for no other reason than that I like the larger characters and Arial font. There have been similar comments to yours here over the past few years. No biggy. |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by WD on 02/23/13 at 07:55:19 Some people have added the tractor solution to on road set ups. The buckets of it at the ag supply just say liquid tire weight on them. And it most assuredly destroys wheel rims. Was at the co-op yesterday and a guy came in that had it in a set of alloy 4x4 rims, he couldn't understand why they wouldn't hold air... Tire came off and the rim looked like the sacrificial zinc anode on a salt water outboard. I wish I only had to deal with the occasional locust thorn... we've got black locust, honey locust (thousands of them), bodock (hedge apple) and bitter orange (really sour thorny citrus shrub from Mongolia and the Siberian steppes). I've had so much practice that I can successfully plug off highway sidewalls... >:( |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Digger on 02/23/13 at 17:57:30 I used to use a variant of the magic goo (can't remember what brand it was) on my street bikes (tube-type tires) back in the '70's. Got a flat once that it couldn't handle while tooting around in CA's Central Valley. Then, I found out the hard way that said goo completely prevented any patches I tried to apply from being effective. Thus began a long and terrible saga...... |
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Title: Re: Hydrodynamic Tire Balancing Post by Gyrobob on 02/23/13 at 18:40:20 072A24242631430 wrote:
Yer spose'da wipe off the goo before sticking on the ducktape! ;) |
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