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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1360798081 Message started by wheelsoffreedom76 on 02/13/13 at 15:28:01 |
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Title: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by wheelsoffreedom76 on 02/13/13 at 15:28:01 I went in Saturday morning, and haggled myself into an 06 S40 with a little over 12K miles. The bike has a dent and scratch on the side of tank, and missing the left triangle cover, so the price was down from some others I was looking at. I made it about half way home on the bike before it started coughing and sputtering and I limped back to the dealer and they reluctantly had the mechanic take a look, and then he rode it around a bit. They said the detail guy had mistakenly overfilled the fuel tank, and a hose from the tank vent to the carb was sucking fuel as a result. They drained some fuel, and sent me on my way. I made it most of the way home before it started acting up again, but opted to just get home and figure it out as the dealers mechanic didn't impress me at all. I located this forum and began reading for common issues and discovered the petcock test, which i promptly did and found the vacuum side had fuel in it. I plugged the carb port, and the vac line, switched to prime and rode around the yard, and it quickly cleaned up and stayed running then. I went down this morning and took my written test for my motorcycle endoresement, and took out a insurance policy on the bike and came home staring at it thinking, I just have to know how far that famed tensioner is extended. Got my drain pan and tools and proceded to drain some of the blackest oil I've seen in awhile. (Dealership services all bikes before sale). Pulled the clutch cover and I knew before measuring. It was right at 22mm, and starting to elongate the tensioner bore. I dont like leaving things in pieces, so I buttoned it back up, poured fresh rotella through till I got clean oil out the plug. Refilled & started and rechecked and topped off. I'm thinking the filter probably isn't new either. The bike looks great other than the tank scrape, runs quiet and rides excellent with more torque than anything I've ever ridden. At this point I'm planning on a new tensioner with a mod from machine shop for extra hole, clutch cover gasket, filter & oil, and a 660 petcock, and check valve lash. I really like the way the bike handles, and the power is more than adequate for my needs. For now it will hang out in the garage while I save up for parts. |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by MiCTLaN on 02/13/13 at 15:45:03 It sounds like you're off to a pretty good start to me :) |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/13/13 at 16:01:30 They said the detail guy had mistakenly overfilled the fuel tank, and a hose from the tank vent to the carb was sucking fuel as a result. Horse CRAP |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by Serowbot on 02/13/13 at 18:02:59 Sounds like you are off to a great start... ... your dealer,.. not so much... ;)... |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by ZAR on 02/13/13 at 18:14:23 Ditto on all the above...and welcome to the group. Thankfully it seems you have some mechanical background,or at least some natural talent. Just think if someone totallly new to bikes and with no mechanical skills had ended up with with your scoot. Sounds like they would have been SOL with that Stealership! |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by wheelsoffreedom76 on 02/13/13 at 18:28:38 I am a mechanic by trade (auto/equipment), so I'm willing to dig into most anything. I have found this forum and it's members to be a fountain of information and the reading I have done soo far on here allowed me to focus my efforts. |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by jcstokes on 02/14/13 at 02:50:49 JOG2 is right. I have crammed the tank to virtually overflowing on several occasions. No issues with the stock petcock yet. |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by Pine on 02/14/13 at 08:29:04 Over fill the gas tank??? It that like overfilling the bank account? Regardless.. if the paper air filter got wet ( gas) it needs to be replaced. The new petcock.. is your ticket.. Welcome to the club! |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by hexnut on 02/14/13 at 09:37:15 gone fishing |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by WD on 02/14/13 at 15:46:13 California models do... that's what the funny little bracket under the swing arm is for. If your bike was a Cal-legal and not just a 49 state legal... it should say on the emissions label on the right side of the down tube (right as if you were on the bike). Sounds like it came from a bike breakers used lot, I should know, worked at one of the worst on the west coast for almost 2 years. At least Savages are relatively cheap to repair (except electrical bits). And you'll know it is up to snuff when you get it back in service. I'm sure my 98 is way overdue for a tensioner, the speedo was deleted 8 years with 15K+ showing on it... ::) Of course, the speedo/odo broke 10 years ago... The petcock lasted 7 years? Lucky... mine was 7 when the tank got totalled. Still worked, kind of, on prime... |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by Cavi Mike on 02/14/13 at 18:31:57 I'm impressed. You realized that the dealer prolly knows less than you and promptly came home, figured out the problem(s) through research, logic and some common sense, and then fixed them. Don't know what else to say other than nice work dude. I wouldn't say this is a rocky start though, you definitely got a handle on things. Sounds like you're gonna do just fine around here. *edit* Wait, I gotta find fault in something though. I'm gonna say it was kinda hard to read your post without any paragraphs. |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by newriverjunkie on 02/14/13 at 18:59:58 6D7E3A0 wrote:
Alright so I just ran out and checked...my ride is a California model. Is that what the box under the battery is for? Can it be removed and not harm the running of the bike? I'm in SC so I don't have to have it correct? |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by Super Thumper on 02/14/13 at 19:24:55 Welcome to our new member.....To get rid of the backfiring when you roll off the throttle and improve throttle response drill out the brass plug covering the idle mixture or pilot jet screw located on the right side of the carb body (see pic). Be careful and don't push too hard on the drill bit or it will drill into the brass screw..(and then you are truly screwed). There is a small gap between the brass plug and the brass screw so let the drill do the work...press gently and you will feel when it penetrates through the plug. I used a SHARP 1/16 drill bit and then put a sheet metal screw into the hole and pulled the plug out with a large pair of pliers. On some carbs it might be stuck good and hard but mine pulled out after I had a friend hold the bike from tipping over on me (I did have to pull quite hard to get it out). Now back the brass pilot jet (I call it idle mixture) screw out until your idle no longer increases then re-adjust your idle speed screw to lower the idle speed back down where it should be. I fine tuned mine after driving a few miles and ended up turning the pilot screw back in about a quarter turn. Here is a pick of the brass plug drilled out on my carb. You can also find this and more carb tuning tips in the tech section from Lancer...also check the marketplace for Lancer's Performance Parts at the top of the section....I bought two of his Big Bore Kits and they are quality stuff at reasonable prices...quick shipping too! |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by WD on 02/14/13 at 21:20:41 6A6173766D7261766E716A6F6D61040 wrote:
Alright so I just ran out and checked...my ride is a California model. Is that what the box under the battery is for? Can it be removed and not harm the running of the bike? I'm in SC so I don't have to have it correct? [/quote] It robs a couple horsepower having the clean air package, but not so much that you would really notice the difference. Removal? Not sure, my bike is 49 state, every other one I've tinkered with has been a 49 state. I know deleting the California emissions nonsense from a car can screw stuff up, or not, depending on the engine type, age and the modifications made to it. Sorry man, the only Cal-spec bikes we had at the shop we left the emissions crap untouched. |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by verslagen1 on 02/14/13 at 22:25:39 Cap the tap on the carb and leave the vent line open and you're good to go. |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by newriverjunkie on 02/15/13 at 07:56:49 Thanks guys I'll look at it. |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by SALB on 02/15/13 at 19:29:27 If you disable the Evap system, you may have to rejet the carb. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1098869040 I'm not sure if that's why it's jetted so lean? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/13 at 21:26:10 Salb, our EPA ( Environmental Protection Agency) has dictated performance parameters to vehicle manufacturers for years. They Told Suzuki that engine Must only produce X amount of unburned gases & other things in order to alow them to import it. So, they had to lean them way out to get them to pass. I THINK thats when they came with the 5 speed,, but Im not sure, |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by SALB on 02/16/13 at 19:57:01 342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:
Yes, but if you look at the factory jetting on the california models, they are even leaner. My theory is that fuel from the evap system makes up the difference. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by hexnut on 02/17/13 at 05:28:17 :( |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by SALB on 02/17/13 at 15:55:08 That's what I thought, but why do the california models have a #125 main and #47.5 pilot? http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?board=tech;action=display;num=1098869040 As lean as the federal models are, I don't see how they could make them any leaner. Where is the extra fuel coming from? :-/ |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by hexnut on 02/17/13 at 15:59:54 :( |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by SALB on 02/17/13 at 16:19:29 I guess the point I'm trying to make is how can they drop from a #145 main and a #52.5 pilot on the federal down to a #125 and #47.5 and have it run. Something has to be different, surely they can't run that lean. :-/ |
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Title: Re: Off to a rocky start? (Questionable dealer) Post by hexnut on 02/17/13 at 16:26:13 :( |
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