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Title: ammo shortage Post by thumperclone on 02/03/13 at 17:16:21 its here again just like the first time obama got elected the chicken little corps are in a panic buying spree once more |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Midnightrider on 02/03/13 at 17:30:20 Yup, been trying to buy some 22LR's for weeks. The stores are out and there's none available online. If Obama gets his way this time it could be for real. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by WD on 02/03/13 at 19:18:47 You can reload them, but it isn't worth it to me. I switched to .22 shorts since Lisa's lever gun, my bolt action and my 8 shot target revolver will all handle them. Price went up on them, counting tax just over a dime a shot for 1080 fps CCI copper washed round nose. They are legal for small game hunting here, but, very few people actually buy them. More for me AND no need to hoard them. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by thumperclone on 02/03/13 at 19:55:42 3427630 wrote:
you can reload 22lrs? |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by WD on 02/03/13 at 20:49:42 Yep, but it tends to be a real fast way to lose a finger or two. Match head slurry, black powder and old style round split shot fishing weight. Like I said, not worth the headaches. There were kits on the market from the 19teens through the mid 1960s for reloading your own .22 empties. They came with sizing dies, seating dies, liquid priming compound, bullet mold, powder measure (2 grains of smokeless) and directions. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Midnightrider on 02/03/13 at 22:36:01 Looks like I'm gonna have to get something that will shoot shorts. I've been wanting a Henry Lever Action. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by LANCER on 02/04/13 at 08:42:16 17333E34333D322E28333E3F285A0 wrote:
I would like to have a Henry. I really like their 22 Survival rifle http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HENH002B?ingb=Y# |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/04/13 at 09:18:47 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325799053 219.99 Buy it now, $25 s/h. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=328079385 I like the camo one. --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by bill67 on 02/04/13 at 13:23:11 I have 2 Henry lever action,One regular and a golden boy.Bought them about 7-8 years ago.Nice rifles.22s |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/04/13 at 18:58:54 There shouldn't be any shortage ... they should cost $99 tax and 10c, $99.10 a piece, and come in nice sealed packets with a bar code on them. That way everyone should be able to get one if they need it. See how well that works. One of those "why did the elephant paint itself white" type proofs. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by LANCER on 02/05/13 at 03:20:33 71706B6C63766A020 wrote:
What proof ? |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/05/13 at 06:57:18 Person 1: Why did the elephant paint itself white ? Person 2: I dont know. P1: To hide in the milk. P2: What ? I've never seen an elephant in the milk. P1 (smugly) : See how well its working. Yea ... its not a proof at all. My argument had no merit ... but I didn't want to be left out of this thread ... ;D Cool Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Midnightrider on 02/05/13 at 14:48:32 Sri shooting is a sport. Buying a box of 22's or shotgun shells is no different than buying golf balls. 22's and skeet shells arent the first choice for killers. You cant charge a deer hunter $100 for a bullet. All the video game look alike rifle ammo is gone and the manufactuers told the gun shop owners dont try to order anymore until 2014. Protect yourself, spend $300 and get you a Ruger LCP. Its so small no one notices it in your pocket or you can hide it on your person. Get a concealed carry and if you have a good instructor he'll show you how to use and maintain it properly aqnd how to acuratley shoot it.. No Law or Law Enforcement Officer can defend you, I wish it was different but thats the way things are. I want us both to live long enough to meet. To fight evil you're gonna have to shoot or beg for mercy. I'm gonna shoot. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by 223fan on 02/07/13 at 15:16:36 The henry lever actions are nice and being able to shoot shorts,longs and long rifle are a big plus.I have 22's that are more accurate but my h001 is my favorite for hunting.I had a golden boy it was a pretty rifle but the sights were hard for me to see and I didn't want to put a scope on it.I ended up trading it for an ebr. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Midnightrider on 02/09/13 at 15:08:25 Found a Henry 22 at a Walmart about 30 miles away. Went and got it while ago and I swear they were out of 22 shorts LOL. I'll find something to shoot in it. I have a Simmons 22 scope to go on it and I wanna zero it in at 50 yards with 22 shorts. Most of the local stores stay sold out of LR's but they usually have shorts. Looks like I have some shopping to do tomorrow. Its a nice gun! |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by bill67 on 02/09/13 at 15:13:02 Was in WalMart today in Lake Geneva Wi. They have 22 long rifles in stock.$2.50 a box. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Midnightrider on 02/09/13 at 15:33:12 I drove 30 miles to a Walmart that had a Henry 22. Bought it and I'll be darned they were out of 22 shorts. First time I've seen that happen. Some of the local Wamarts here in town probably have some shorts. I'm gonna scope it and zero it in with shorts. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Ed L. on 02/09/13 at 18:29:41 Can't find any .22 ammo at all around Daytona Beach. The Walmarts are sold out along with all the gun stores in the area. Wally world has a 3 box limit on any ammo purchase if they have any. 9mm and a lot of the other hand gun ammo is still advailable but the prices have gone up by about 30%. .380 ACP ammo was $15.00 a box six months ago and now is up to $23.00 a box. Reloading supplies are scarce, powder is still out there but primers are almost impossible to find. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by WD on 02/10/13 at 21:23:29 Try finding percussion caps... I shoot mainly cap and ball. Can get powder and shot all day long. But stupid people see percussion caps and think they are the same thing as primers or can be jury rigged to work as such (which they can't)... >:( I even switched to black powder .44 Specials, price is stable and the supply is fine. If my fairly collectible (couple grand or better on the open market) Wolf and Klar (S&W custom maker in the 20s and 30s) 3rd Model .44 Hand Ejector (S&W N Frame, Model of 1926) couldn't handle them, I'd be looking for a flintlock or 2 to trade. Got plenty of flint... my driveway is full of the stuff. Just don't have time right now to forge out a barrel, frizzen, pan or lockwork. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by mpescatori on 02/11/13 at 01:38:17 6F626D6066713134030 wrote:
I would like to have a Henry. I really like their 22 Survival rifle http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HENH002B?ingb=Y#[/quote] Didn't they sell that carbine as the Charter Arms AR-7 way back in the '80s? |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by LANCER on 02/11/13 at 03:38:37 3D2035233331243F2239500 wrote:
I would like to have a Henry. I really like their 22 Survival rifle http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/2-HENH002B?ingb=Y#[/quote] Didn't they sell that carbine as the Charter Arms AR-7 way back in the '80s?[/quote] Charter Arms did or does make a version of it. Both theirs and the Henry look to be identical. It has been my understanding that Henry was the originator, but not 100% positive of that. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by WebsterMark on 02/11/13 at 05:06:09 I'm looking for a Ruger 10/22. I was in Sioux City Iowa this past week, they had a sale and I had time to kill so stopped by. They were advertising the Ruger for $169. Guy said they sold out by noon. Stopped in local thingy's this weekend. The couter guy said they had the same sale last weekend; $169. Had 30 of these in stock. Said first time he could remember, but there was a few people waiting when the store opened. Sold all 30 in hour and a half. They have no .22 or .9mm shells in stock. Zero. Last night I went on Ruger's website to order one. They are twice as expensive; $339 I think, but doesn't matter; it says sold out. There's a gun show in KC this weekend and I'll be driving through. Going to stop in there and see if I can find out. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by LANCER on 02/11/13 at 09:54:12 I ordered the Henry from Budsgunshop.com They are in stock for now...or were when I ordered on the 6th. Scheduled for UPS delivery tomorrow. $270.80 total |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Midnightrider on 02/11/13 at 12:47:57 596B6C7D7A6B7C436F7C650E0 wrote:
There's plenty of them here in NC but I've never seen one sale for $169. Thet usually run around $225. You can order a 25 round clip from Ruger, might take a couple of months to get it but it makes for one wicked little weapon plus its just fun to shoot. Walmart sells the Marlin Model 60, walnut stock, stainless barrel for $227. It looks like a $1000 gun. Its a tack driver but it has a tubular magazine that holds 15 LR's. Thats gonna be my next gun purchase. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/12/13 at 06:11:33 I was looking at 10/22's a few months ago. I found the synthetic ones for 169.99. Good luck trying to find one now. --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/13/13 at 06:50:56 092D202A2D232C30362D202136440 wrote:
I dont have a solution for all the hunting and this and that ... we dont have access to any real gun death related data, the NRA has blocked it. The NRA is a gun company lobby. They are working to sell guns and ammo ... they would block any information that hurts that, and they will say anything they want to make you buy. They work for the gun companies. You cant file a FOIA (freedom of information act) on it .. you can, but the NRA has cut off funding to the response side of the FOIA ... You need to live in fear, and buy their product. I am offering a sledge hammer when you could use a wrench if you knew what it was you are trying to remove. Anyway I have lived in the US for 20 years, in many cases in rather borderline neighborhoods. In the early 90's I had a propensity to hang around NYC, philly, reading PA, atlantic city, and I moved to CA in the mid 90's and still continued that habit. I have had a rifle since my friend in spokane WA in 93 sold me one. I actually have never needed. I have also not had to beg or pay or do anything I was afraid or worried about. Seriously I think the guns for self defense is rather over used, like the Trayvon Martin and the other guy shooting people for playing loud rap ... these are kids ... they play rap, they are effectively a nuisance but harmless. I really think guns make a "weird" situation bad. Anyway I also dont look like anyone can mess with me and get away with it. Its possible that someone else who looks more vulnerable would need a gun ... however I think there are a lot of cases of over reacting like the 2 I mentioned before. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by thumperclone on 02/15/13 at 23:28:09 ammo limit legistation is moving forward B ware |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/13 at 07:08:20 Ohhh,, the NRA blocked the data,, Phhhht,, WHY would NRA block statistical data? Every TIME gun control laws are relaxed, crime DROPS,, NRA Wants All the data available. The gun controllers are the ones who hide the facts, cuz they arent on their side, |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by bill67 on 02/16/13 at 10:46:02 You NRA members kick in some more money to them,They need the money to pay their leader his $1,000,000 salary.He's sure got some people buffaloed. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/13 at 05:27:29 He only makes a million?.... he’s getting screwed. Planned Parenthood does it smarter. The president only pulls in about 400,000 for killing babies but the real money is the dozen affiliates presidents. They are separate entities instead of a single one so they get to spread the TAX PAYER money around more. Each of them pull in $250 – 300K each plus they have a staff that you and I pay for too. The NRA guy is pretty much by himself in comparison so he needs to jack up his pay a bit more so he's in line with the market. I guess killing babies pays better than defending a constitutional amendment…. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/17/13 at 08:58:38 I guess the constitutional amendment to kill children needs a windbag making a million a year to defend it huh ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Midnightrider on 02/17/13 at 17:28:07 Obama's been the top gun saleman 4 years in a row now. Shouldnt we give him a lapel pin or something? |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/13 at 19:29:46 45445F5857425E360 wrote:
& what children are being killed? Youve stated youve got no access to data.,, |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/18/13 at 16:43:28 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:
& what children are being killed? Youve stated youve got no access to data.,, [/quote] Oh I seem to have struck upon a leak from the NRA's blockade (or is that blockage ?) ... somewhere in Connecticut, some time in december 2012, in a school that may or may not have been called Sandy Hook, 20 or so 5-6 year old kids were shot dead by a nutcase who may or may not have got her guns after killing his mama. How about those kids ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/19/13 at 06:09:30 What about all the kids dying of cancer? I don't see you running to ban GMO corn. What about all the kids with autism and the studies showing the direct link between vaccines and autism rates? Don't see you going after the big pharmaceutical companies. Firearms can be used for good and for recreation. GMO corn and vaccines cannot. Why attack a partial good when confronted with so much that is not good at all? --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/19/13 at 06:22:17 5C6D7E6D7D796D780C0 wrote:
I am not exactly running to ban GMO corn, true. I am keeping track of it. However, I have a son with autism, I definitely believe vaccines caused it for him, and I have been treating his problems as such. Everytime I hear the parrots saying "no definitive link has been proven between vaccines and autism" I hear ... this - we have prevented funding any study that is truly independent, we have only funded the a$$holes like Autism speaks who are there to prove that vaccines dont cause autism and pharma has funded only the studies that are to prove vaccines dont cause autism ... AKA, same as the NRA. You dont want to go there, I have fought with people on autismweb so much, I got banned from there ... Been there done that ... Worse yet, the NRA is blocking data not even research ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/19/13 at 09:11:19 I apologize if that struck a nerve. I was trying to throw out a wide blanket to counter your argument. There are stats. I posted the stats showing a decrease in firearm related violence. Ownership is at an all time high and firearm related crime had reached an all time low since ~1993. Remain calm, citizen. No shortage of ammo here: http://redflagnews.com/headlines/s6f6kn7s2ka11we00kdp12uow4cnm6 --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/13 at 12:25:34 Why are you so certain its the NRA blocking data? Show me ONE study that shows gun control curbs crime. Everything Ive posted, that youve somehow managed to ignore, is what the NRA WANTS out. Every TIME laws remove restrictions on the people to be armed, Crime Drops. Louisiana & Florida, prime examples. Go LOOK. Here, Ill do it For you.,, Search terms florida tourists targeted crime gun laws relaxed crime dropped TRY, just hunt, use words to look for things that would demonstrate More Guns = Less Crime Unless youd Rather live in a world where YOure lied to by those who have an Agenda to control your life. The NRA doesnt tax you, or tell you How youll live. Thats who the NRA is Supposedly standing against. I dont trust them, I am not a memnber, Id join Gun Owners of America myself., The NRA wants data out. The only ones who Dont want info out are the controllers, the Goobs. The same ones who Will Not allow a good study done that would prove the links between autism & vaccines. Florida crime rates dropping Posted by David Hardy · 11 July 2006 06:55 PM Interesting data released today. Florida is, of course, the inventor of liberalized handgun concealed carry permits, of "castle doctrine" laws that allow lethal force in self defense without having to retreat, and a few other such measures. Naturally, the Brady Campaign used Florida as their poster child for a gun-crazy state. Brady began an advertising campaign to warn tourists against entering this dangerous state. "The [ch65533]Shoot First[ch65533] law is a new law in Florida that police, prosecuting attorneys and gun violence prevention advocates worry may lead to the reckless use of guns on the streets of Florida cities." Sarah Brady intoned, ""The net effect of the new 'Shoot First' law in Florida is, unfortunately, precisely what we feared. People are dying who did not deserve to die." Just for good measure, Brady added "Gun violence in Florida could increase in 2005 because Congress failed to renew the federal assault weapon ban, which expired last fall, and Florida has no state law restricting assault weapons or rapid-fire ammunition magazines. Florida also does not require background checks at gun shows, does not require child-safety locks to be sold with guns, does not have any handgun safety standards to limit Saturday night specials and even forces police to let people carry hidden handguns in public." Well, the Palm Beach Post reports that Florida's crime rates have fallen to the lowest level since 1971. "A telephone message left for comment after hours with the The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in Washington, D.C. was not immediately returned." You can get the report, in pdf format, here. It shows that, even though the state's population is growing, total homicides fell by 6.9%, and firearm homicides by 6.1%. Given the population increase, the decrease in rates would have been greater. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/20/13 at 17:15:31 Yea gun laws get loosened and crime gos down in that area ... it goes up in the areas next to it ... gun crimes should be tagged to the area where the gun was purchased ... maybe ... but we dont have access to that data. Say we have looser gun laws in charlotte ... you'd study charlotte and say yea, crime went down ... but you dont study gastonia where the residents go to charlotte buy the gun and pop the local convenience store clerk. That should be attributed to charlotte's loose gun law ... NYC gun crime is almost all by guns bought outside NYC. That isn't proof that gun control doesn't work ... its proof that roads and cars do. Some of em guns have travelled 1000 miles, from SC where you can plead insanity for some crime in court, walk out of jail after your sentence and still buy a gun ... no problem. Some of this is so poorly designed and so badly counted in, its not possible to enforce it at a local city or even state level. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/13 at 17:30:18 Yea gun laws get loosened and crime gos down in that area CHa ching!@!!! lOOKA you!! TRuth Can come from your keyboard! NOW, follow that logic.. Loosen the laws Everywhere & What? |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/20/13 at 17:45:16 726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:
Then crime everywhere will stay as it was ... your assumption is only backed by the NRA's allowed research ... crime will look for the easy target ... if all targets present themselves as equal, it will pick the random target ... in the mean time, you'd have nuts get guns and blow random people off ... actually criminals have a need to find an easy target ... they hope to not ever use the gun. They will go to the easy zone if no easy zone exists, they will stay with the difficult zone ... the whacko's wont, the accidents and suicides and other gun deaths will sky rocket ... That logic only works in small pockets ... we need full on data to make a better theory. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/21/13 at 06:18:00 The reason the rates go up in surrounding towns is that no one wants to get shot in their home town. Isn't it worth a 15-10 minute drive to another town where you won't get shot? --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/13 at 06:58:59 34352E2926332F470 wrote:
Then crime everywhere will stay as it was ... your assumption is only backed by the NRA's allowed research ... crime will look for the easy target ... if all targets present themselves as equal, it will pick the random target ... in the mean time, you'd have nuts get guns and blow random people off ... actually criminals have a need to find an easy target ... they hope to not ever use the gun. They will go to the easy zone if no easy zone exists, they will stay with the difficult zone ... the whacko's wont, the accidents and suicides and other gun deaths will sky rocket ... That logic only works in small pockets ... we need full on data to make a better theory. Cool. Srinath.[/quote] Based on the info available, crime drops where gun laws are loosened, I have an idea,, lets loosen gun laws everywhere. IF, as you say, crime remains constant, because criminals need to commit crime never changes & everyone is equally defended, then, crime will stay as is. No added pain. BUT, if things go as I suspect they would go, crime would decrease where laws were relaxed, then society wins. Theres no downside,only freedom for the people. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by bill67 on 02/21/13 at 07:08:58 Has anyone noticed since people are running out and buying guns,There is almost a new shooting everyday.The more guns out there = more dead people. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by 12Bravo on 02/21/13 at 07:14:42 Bill, the only thing that has changed is that the media is reporting more on the subject in order to try and sway public opinion. If it isn't firearms being used, it will be other things being used as weapons. There is a reason criminals are called criminals - because they will not follow any law no matter what. If firearms are banned and criminals then start using baseball bats, are we going to ban bats too? |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by bill67 on 02/21/13 at 07:22:49 6063132330273E510 wrote:
Its just common sense the more guns out there,It will be easier for the bad guys to get them.When there is and oversupply of guns out there ,they will be come cheaper to buy and the young kids will have them. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/21/13 at 09:12:37 Why do people want to kill each other, Bill? Wouldn't addressing that issue solve any violent crime whether it be firearm, baseball bat, knife, fist related? --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by WD on 02/21/13 at 10:40:49 Jealousy, greed and laziness. If people see something they want, but are not able to earn it, they are going to get it by whatever means they deem necessary. To and including killing the item's owner. By whatever method pops into their heads. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/21/13 at 18:15:30 4F5C180 wrote:
Only criminals do this ... In fact those people hope they never have to kill anyone. They dont even want to see anyone. If the public were armed and it was obvious, this group will get more sneaky and really be very very careful, to the extent they may change their line of crime. Gun laws being loosened will make a percentage type difference to this group. You may see a 20% drop in armed robbery but a possible increase in say automotive theft or break in's when no one is home etc. So violent crime will be replaced by less violent crime. Whacko's kill for pleasure, to stop the pain in their heads, or cos the voices tell them to. This group does not care if you're armed, they usually kill for reasons that will never be understood by you or me. This group will skyrocket with access to guns being made easier. You may reduce the "planned" armed robberies by 20% but cause whacko killings to double/triple by looser gun laws. Self defence use may not change much IMHO, but it may be a bit higher, people aren't going to buy a gun when they otherwise wont just cos its easier. People who buy guns for proper self defence do so cos they have been threatened and they legitimately can buy one, which they can now unless they have a criminal record etc. You may increase armed robberies by 20% but 1/2 the whacko crime with tighter gun laws. You may cause self defence use reduction but maybe not, cos people buy it for defence when they have been threatened ... Tighter is not = not possible. The good people will get them if they have been so inclined IMHO. $100 bullet will IMHO reduce armed robberies 20% atleast, cos the take in one of those is under 300 usually, and cut down the whacko crime by a big percentage, something like 80% ... I'd think self defence use will not be affected much, you spend a few 100+ on a gun, a few more 100 in bullets wont make a diff, especially when you know it will be reimbursed if your fears do come true. Just theory, no data = no better theory. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by houstonbofh on 02/21/13 at 19:58:10 747F7A7A2021160 wrote:
Look at the crime statistics. Nationally, violent crime is down, and has been going down for years. In some places it has gone up, but in others it has gone down a lot. Mostly places that arm the populace. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/21/13 at 20:06:51 282F3533342F2E222F2628400 wrote:
Look at the crime statistics. Nationally, violent crime is down, and has been going down for years. In some places it has gone up, but in others it has gone down a lot. Mostly places that arm the populace.[/quote] Violent Crime has been going down for years, however no gun law loosening has happened in any measure ... so how you explain that ? I would explain it as unrelated to guns However in 3 months since the gun buying spree started it has shot up significantly. Somewhere around 1800 in the time since sandy hook. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/22/13 at 09:19:37 7B7A6166697C60080 wrote:
Then why focus on the instruments and not the crime itself? --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by 12Bravo on 02/22/13 at 10:35:11 0534273424203421550 wrote:
Then why focus on the instruments and not the crime itself? --Steve[/quote] What Steve said |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by bill67 on 02/22/13 at 11:27:40 Roy Rogers was always armed and he shot a lot of guys.I believe a lot of you guys would like to go back to the wild west days.Except you will probability be the first one killed. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by 12Bravo on 02/22/13 at 11:42:30 I DO know what it's like to get shot at, everything from small arms (AK-47) up to the main gun of T62/72 tanks. I'd rather not get shot at anymore! After serving my country in the US Army, I am going to exercise all of my rights to include owning firearms. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/23/13 at 04:44:51 I said it before and I'll say it again, Bill. There were surprisingly fewer Wild West gun fights than Hollywood would have you imagine. --Steve |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by WebsterMark on 02/23/13 at 05:46:43 However in 3 months since the gun buying spree started it has shot up significantly. Somewhere around 1800 in the time since sandy hook. provide proof for that. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/23/13 at 14:26:10 4A787F6E69786F507C6F761D0 wrote:
Proof of what ? the 1800 or that is is more than the same time frame before the gun buying spree. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/23/13 at 14:27:32 0435263525213520540 wrote:
And there were many many restrictions as well, no guns inside city limits and no guns here and there and everywhere. More restrictions than hollywood has you imagining. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/23/13 at 14:30:46 7576063625322B440 wrote:
Then why focus on the instruments and not the crime itself? --Steve[/quote] What Steve said [/quote] Focussing on the crime makes for the worlds biggest expansion of government programs. It will be screamed down by TEA baggers before someone puts pen to paper, not to mention the NRA. The instrument - a gun makes it end with a bigger pile of bodies ... so cutting off guns is a quick way to make the pile smaller right away, and its free. Heck I'd support an expansion of mental health programs funded by a $100 bullet tax. That way you have a 0 sum game. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by srinath on 02/23/13 at 14:44:05 5F6E7D6E7E7A6E7B0F0 wrote:
Yes we know ... but baseball bat wont work if your more than 4ft away, fist, 2ft, knife 3ft ... and it takes 2-3 mins to kill via knife, 5+ via bat and 10+ via fist if at all ... ergo, we dont care right now about those. Mass murders with those aren't possible, drive-by's are not possible etc etc etc ... Once again you're toeing the NRA line ... guns dont kill people ... people kill people ... you see that is wrong many different ways ... guns dont kill people, unless you were bludgeoned with one. Bullets kill people. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ammo shortage Post by Paraquat on 02/25/13 at 06:17:03 If LaPierre were smart he would've imposed a tax; something like 1% of firearm or ammo sales that goes towards mental health so he can say "Look, we're getting involved". --Steve |
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