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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Fastest Savage /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1357789076 Message started by beacon on 01/09/13 at 19:37:56 |
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Title: Fastest Savage Post by beacon on 01/09/13 at 19:37:56 What is the fastest a 650 Savage (not a bored out 700+) has ever gone? I've got an old one and thinking of working on it to bring along with my other bikes to this summer's timing runs. The stock bike struggles to get past 85, which is embarrassing for a 650. With better cams, improved compression, etc. 100 should be possible. Anyone tried it? |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by jcstokes on 01/09/13 at 22:53:57 Assuming you have a five speed, check Serowbots post, gear/speed graph for a five speed Savage on page 3 of the tech section. It is theoretically possible without extensive mods. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by Oldfeller on 01/10/13 at 00:39:32 100 mph is possible on a long down hill run even with a stock bike if you tuck in good. Pulling 100 up a hill isn't. Modified cam belt drive bikes like mine will pull 90 mph in 4th gear very quickly, but it bogs down when shifted to 5th gear and will not break 100 in 5th. There are lots of bikes that are better performance bikes than a Savage. Example, I had a SV650 that would break 120 mph just going down the exit ramp to get on to the interstate, literally as fast as you could shift through the gears. Take the Savage to the mountains where it belongs. 85 mph is the HIGHEST MOUNTAIN SPEED I have ever used, ever. The Savage uses its torque to blast out of turns and will outrun just about any Harley up there. The 600cc Jap sports bikes will eat you alive every time, but you get used to it. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by verslagen1 on 01/10/13 at 07:44:05 Stock engine, supertrapp, K&N and a edelbrock quick silver. You'll need a raptorcock. 95 going uphill before traffic made me back off at the bottom third of the hill. similar setup w/stock carb (rejetted of course) 88 at the top of the hill. The run starts at 70 at the bottom of the hill. 40mm carbs are great for speed, just don't do well on gas mileage and around town. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by ZAR on 01/10/13 at 08:12:33 It amazes me how quickly the power band drops off on a basicly stock Savage. Not long after I got my 96 I was in traffic on I-71 going to work one morning. Not looking at my speed,just rolling along with the flow when I had to roll out to the left lane and pass a line of trucks starting uphill. When I got to the top I glance at the speedo and it indicated just over 90mph :o . It seemed like it got there in a flash but that was it! Nothing left in the boiler! Note my scooter does have a Dunhill style exhaust and jet upgrade,nothing else I know of,but it also has a Memphis Shades Slim windshield which adds some drag. Also running the stock size rear tire so the speedo is likely off a few clicks too! That's my experience for what it's worth! |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by Qwapy on 01/10/13 at 09:52:50 I just did the Dyna muffler, K&N filter, Raptor , and rejetting mods to my 05 S40 and even though I am still working in tunning it (lots of pops) the bike gets to 92 mph in no time. Could it go more? I'll bet it will but, I don't want to find that out yet...it cruises at 80mph very easy and very smooth. I could never get to 80mph with the stock settings I am happy with its performance, it is a cruiser, not a speed demon. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by prsavage on 01/10/13 at 10:08:09 If speed is what you are after why are you riding a Savage? Or any cruiser for that matter? The Savage is what it is; a simple, classic cruiser made for just gettin' out there and simply riding. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by ZAR on 01/10/13 at 10:34:20 47454F4646200 wrote:
That's true pr but it's human nature to see what the maximun performance you can get out of anything. As for my example on I-71,that was just something that happened. I normally run the Interstates at 70-75mph. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by ralfyguy on 01/10/13 at 17:26:30 I agree with OF about being in the mountains. That bike is hard to beat in the fun department there. It is amazingly nimble and quick in the corners uphill. Those fat Hurleys with the floorboards instead pegs are easily smoked. Of course no competition for the sports bikes, but that don't matter to me. It's good enough. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/13 at 18:06:11 These bikes Are what "Its more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow" was aimed at. Its got enough engine to run past the frame design & suspensions capabilities in a corner. Ive been in long sweepers where it starts feeling like Im astride of a drunken rubber cow. The bike keeps me from getting in over my head. One of those "Race Bike Technology" 600CC Ninjas would be inviting me to go faster. I would reach My limits long before the bike reached its limits of ability,.Id get killed.. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by runwyrlph on 01/10/13 at 18:24:20 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
I know that feeling, but I never knew the technical term for it until now! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by ZAR on 01/10/13 at 18:26:05 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
Good point JOG! I also have an old Kawasaki( ::) :-? :o ;D blasphemey you say?) KZ440 LTD. Even though it's a smaller engine it will run the Savage into the ground in the twisties (better chassis design,six speeds and a redline of 9500 rpm)until I hit the grades and the Savage torque comes into play. Either one of them is way more enjoyment than a Hurley or liter+ bike. Goes back to useable hp for the roads we run. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by Boofer on 01/10/13 at 19:28:35 And another point, if I may? The rake is about 32 degrees or so with about what, 5 inches of trail. I'm guessing from memory. Point being the Savage should not turn around in a football field (Futbol for our foreign viewers) compared to the straight up rake and short trail of something like a Hyabusa. But it does with ease. :) And I've seen slightly over 95 with the stock tire 140/80-H15 IRC with a Spitfire windshield. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by Oldfeller on 01/10/13 at 19:39:25 5F4C5B5A45484E4C4718290 wrote:
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by teabowl13 on 01/10/13 at 20:21:58 Everything you'd ever want or need to know about this is in this forum somewhere; especially if you go through the technical section... For example: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1291516932 Also; LANCER seems to be the king of power mods around here. He has lots of cool tricks for sale, but he's also been super helpful with me just answering questions etc. He's also working on a prototype header to be sold soon... Read here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1338581006 Of course you should also look through all of the threads related to the RYCA builds; their kit takes about 100lbs off of the stock Savage, and that alone boosts your top speed quite a bit. AND THEN THERE'S THIS GUY!! http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1264727267/0 |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by paulmarshall on 01/12/13 at 13:05:00 31263836363A2C550 wrote:
I know that feeling, but I never knew the technical term for it until now! ;D ;D ;D[/quote] DITTO :D |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by LANCER on 01/12/13 at 13:40:23 4150445D5C50434259505D5D310 wrote:
I know that feeling, but I never knew the technical term for it until now! ;D ;D ;D[/quote] DITTO :D[/quote] Gotta watch out for those Drunken Rubber Cows ! :D |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by Super Thumper on 02/09/13 at 19:24:19 The Suzuki 650 Savage will never accelerate like a four cylinder 650. Displacement being equal the more cylinders you have the more horsepower the engine will make albeit at a higher RPM. The Savage excels at TORQUE rather than horsepower due to it's looong stroke (94mm, 3.7"). The performance improvements that can easily and cheaply (compared to a multiple cylinder engine) be made to the Savage engine will yield substantial improvements in torque and horsepower because Suzuki has seen fit to sell this bike with a VERY mildly tuned engine. The compression ratio is an anemic 8.5 to 1, the cam lift and duration (see Lancer's Performance Parts, (http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1338581006) is very tame, the exhaust system severely restricts the exhaust flow, the stock carb is jetted so lean it backfires when you roll off the throttle and the cylinder head has a severe restriction in the exhaust port. Just the addition of a higher compression piston (10.5 to 1) will yield a substantial kick in the pants feel to the throttle. Performance camshafts, cylinder head porting and a freer flowing exhaust system, better carburetion can more than DOUBLE the rear wheel horsepower of this bike. I will be detailing ALL of these modifications in the coming weeks as my performance rebuild moves along. I will be creating a list showing parts needed and costs for various phases of a performance build-up of a Suzuki Savage 650 engine. In stock form this bike lays down 25 HP at the rear wheel. Fully modified I anticipate between 50 & 60 rear wheel HP. There is not a place with a Dyno anywhere within 100 miles of my location but come springtime I WiLL drive wherever it takes to find one and get a Dyno chart of my fully built Savage and post it here! |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by prsavage on 02/09/13 at 23:12:44 Good on ya, Super Thumper! I'm looking forward to your future posts. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/13 at 09:04:52 I couldnt think of anything else to compare it to.. When the road rises & falls just the slightest, the rear suspension compresses & rises back up a little, changing the front ends angle & inducing handlebar oscillation, which causes some real sphincter tightening & a slow dialing down of the gas. Im GUessing thats what causes the front end to swing like that. Seems like once that starts the rise & fall of the rear end becomes pronounced, but that could just be my heightened awareness caused by the sense of impending pain. I was talking to one of the newest guys just the other day about this very thing. He was saying he doesnt really like the bike, because its so evil handling. I Like that about it. IF it was a rolling scalpel, carving thru corners with ease Then I would be wanting to run it thru corners At ITS level of Capability,,, & If it was a REal Good handler, its abilities would be more than mine & I would get hurt. This evil handling machine cant go as fast as I can, so, I have been forced to slow down. I have not crashed this one. Iver dropped it in the yard & at an intersection, but Crashed? Lost it at speed? Noperz.. It tells me we are going fast enough. Loping the drunk rubber cow thru a turn is plenty exciting. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by verslagen1 on 02/10/13 at 09:32:38 you guys got some weird sex toys. :-? |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by Super Thumper on 02/10/13 at 10:02:55 When I first got my savage it wobbled a bit (Not as bad as you are describing) which of course is irritating. I found the steering head bearings were just a little loose & tightened them up. I also added a pair of used rear shocks from A Harley Sportster I had laying around. They are 2" longer than the stock shocks and have better dampening. The combination of these two changes eliminated my wobble problems. Raising the rear end with the 2" longer shocks also changes the steering rake which I believe helped the handling. You might also check the swingarm to make sure the bearings are not loose. The Suzuki savage is NOT an evil handling bike...when things are tight ans straight it doesn't wobble but it is not a corner carver and will never be one. No bike should EVER wobble....this can always be fixed. |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/13 at 10:30:35 It only does that on a long sweeper. It runs thru shorter radius turns quite well. So well, in fact, Ive had to tie the rubber onto the right peg with a wire, because Ive cut it down dragging it in corners. There is this One really long radius turn about 2 miles from home that simply cant be done at the speed the bike has motor enough to run. It will get out of control just around 60 MPH in that one, IF Im on the outside of it. If Im on the inside, making it a r/hander, it'll come thru there pushing 65, which is really about insane, because theres a mailbox not far from that corners exit. Ive seen them pull up to it, facing the wrong way, blocking the road pretty well. Sure would suck to come thru there & exit that corner dedicated to a line & see that Red Chevy TRuck grille,, My daughter saw them do that one day. She went back & told them :My Daddy rides a motorcycle & he comes thru that corner & I sure would be unhappy if he came thru there & you had the road blocked & he got hurt" I havent seen them stop there since, but Im not bettin MY Life on it,, Ohh,, sorry, I didn't address your well made points. Thanks for that. Ive checked the front end, it seems okay to me, maybe my inspection wasnt sufficient? I got it rolling in the shop, smooth cement, & grabbed the brake.. No "Clicky" feel. I rocked it, brake on, still nothing that I could feel,. Swingarm? I Think Ive looked at it close enough. I feel pretty secure about it. Ive had the tire outta there several times & I always grab & wiggle stuff. I didnt notice anything that caused me any concern, BUT, the pressures I put on it by hand & the pressures it sees in a corner are light years apart,, what more should I do? Keep in mind, except for this type of corner, a LOng radius sweeper, Im really satisfied with it. It Does keep me safe from my own adventurous spirit in this one area, tho. I am very cautious about pressing it, because I know it can become unruly, &, For ME, thats a good thing, Thanks for your replies., & Of Course the Toys are strange,, & not one bit stranger than the sex that goes along with them, When ya comin over? |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by verslagen1 on 02/10/13 at 11:26:18 Ima guessin' you feel that because of the rake. I really do have to fight the bars going thru a turn at various leans. It wants to turn harder than the sweeper is. And sometimes, yeah, drunken cow, but just cause I can't get the right lean and turn together. And then sometimes... oooh that's sweet. Looks like I know what I'm doing... today. :-? |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by A-Bolt on 02/10/13 at 12:39:57 Fastest too 50mph! These thumpers are one of 'em. Tho I loved my 1974 350 RD RD aka Rapid Death! RIP |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by paulmarshall on 02/11/13 at 10:22:30 7F6168646A657962630D0 wrote:
SD keep us up to date with your mods please as I am very interested in what performance increases you get. :D |
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Title: Re: Fastest Savage Post by Blinky on 02/11/13 at 11:04:36 796271230 wrote:
That's true pr but it's human nature to see what the maximun performance you can get out of anything. [/quote] +1 on both When I was a younger man the first question I would consider is "How fast can I make this go?" Now my first consideration is "How long can I make this last?" Human nature it is. Good hunting |
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