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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> 98 Savage-Short repair/build-Wrenchin and Question /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1355772871 Message started by SavageCat on 12/17/12 at 11:34:31 |
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Title: 98 Savage-Short repair/build-Wrenchin and Question Post by SavageCat on 12/17/12 at 11:34:31 Well time to ask a question…I have been trolling around this site/forum for the past 6 months or so and it has helped me so, so, so many times. The DIY/tech section has a wealth of knowledge. So quick history/story and then on to my question… Bought my 98 Savage from a neighbor for $650 (I know a steal right…); it was his second bike and just wanted it gone. It ran really well but was pseudo bobbed (i.e. parts taken off, none put back on). This is what it looked like. http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/DSC00835_zpsddc9d0aa.jpg http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/DSC00838_zps570873d9.jpg http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/DSC00839_zpsce5aee17.jpg http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/DSC00837_zps09b8d414.jpg Not so bad, but there were a few issues…the battery was held in with electrical wires and zip ties (rattled around a bit), all the electrical wires were literally crammed behind where the battery was sitting, there was a random piece of sheet metal under the seat near the rear wheel “holding” stuff in (you can kinda see where the rectifier was in the pic), the air filter was essentially trash, it was missing the front fender, and the gas tank had a few pin holes in it that were covered with what I think was toothpaste…other than that it ran great. After a few trips to a few places and some purchases from some members on the board here it looked like this (did the Raptor petcock as well): http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0226_zps8ebd1813.jpg http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0225_zps03244b77.jpg Check out that battery box and key relocation…boom!!! Then I found a good used gas tank and it currently looks like this: http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/photo_zpseb6840b5.jpg Alright, that’s the quick history. Over this winter I have a few things to do: - Oil plug/cap fix – I bet you could see the oil leaking in a few of the pics - Weld the muffler to the header (see the exhaust leak soot?) - Cam chain tensioner…need to check this but it’s >18K miles so I’m betting that I’ve been rolling the dice riding it… - New gaskets, o-rings, where appropriate in the reassemble. Question(s) – would it be worth it or beneficial to take the engine out of the frame to do this? I made the mobile engine stand (again shout out to the table of contents), and have the wrenching capacity to do it, just not sure it’s worth it…thoughts/advice? Also, I was debating on swapping out to a chain drive (read through all the posts already)…besides the ability to change gearing easily, what is a big advantage with the chain drive? Any other thoughts and observations are quite welcome!!! |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by Serowbot on 12/17/12 at 13:04:01 I wouldn't pull the engine to do that... Besides gearing changes,... a chain will handle off-road and gravel better... Other than that,... belts rule... |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by srinath on 12/17/12 at 13:15:36 Nice, very nice, all I can say is ... your bike now looks 1000 times better. The bobber thing has been so over done. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by SavageCat on 12/17/12 at 13:26:20 Screwbot...that's what I figured. But wasn't sure if there was another good reason to remove the engine (easy to clean, can replace some other random stuff easier...)? Srinath...thanks. The wife likes to ride 2-up with me so the bobber is out, plus fenders = no rain in face or on back... |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by strang on 12/17/12 at 16:55:37 Much cooler than when you got it. Key oil tank thingy is ace. Where have you stashed the battery? inside the airbox? |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by SavageCat on 12/18/12 at 05:21:36 Strang, Hard to see in the pics above so I snapped a few. The battery box and oil tank are one piece (custom made by a member on this site - Skeebo). The battery sits in the rear and all of the electrical fits in the oil tank part. There is just enough room for a stock battery, but its within millimeters...and just enough room for a cone filter, but I do want to get a smaller one as this one is a bit crammed. Can anyone tell me if that brace that the gas tank mounts to is completely necessary? I was going to cut it off but I didn't know if it was structurally needed for the frame. My tank mounts via the battery box and the brace below just makes the filter a really tight fit, but nothing bolts to it....thoughts? Also, I have read a few threads lately that talk about NOT sticking a cone filter right over the carb, but mine has been running great. Hardly any backfiring when running, and if I let it idle for a second before I turn it off I don't even get the 'Savage pop'...which I actually like. Thanks for the compliments. Suggestions for mods are welcome!!! http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0520_zps3fb1151e.jpg http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0521_zps584bcbb3.jpg |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by SavageCat on 01/05/13 at 19:27:32 Ok, back to wrenching…bike has 19K+ miles on it so I figured it would need the tensioner replaced…I was right. Using a super accurate measuring tool, it’s about 18mm out…time to contact Verslagen1… http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0607_zps86013026.jpg http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0610_zps110bbb20.jpg I’m also replacing the head plug seal…I took off the chrome covers and went to take a gander at how nasty the spark plug area was (def gonna clean that out good before the spark plug comes out)…and I almost fell over when I saw this guy hanging out in there…not something you expect to see near your spark plug… http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0614_zps96e3527d.jpg http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0618_zps561eedd7.jpg No joke I wonder how long he’s been in there…I bet you all didn’t know the Savage can ride 3-up? Anyhow…I’ll clean that area out and then keep on going with the repairs. |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/13 at 12:41:22 Those guys get Everywhere,, I had one in a can O spinach once,, bitterest daggum spinach I EVER ate.. Disgusting find when warming up Leftovers.. Dang thing was prolly 2 inches long & bleached out white in there,, Ive never eaten canned spinach again,,nopers,, some times I learn fast, |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by jcstokes on 01/06/13 at 13:29:35 Re fitting the front mudguard may even help front end stability a little. It's common sense to have one. |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by diamond jim on 01/06/13 at 16:57:28 192B3C2B2D2F092B3E4A0 wrote:
Screwbot? ;D ;D ;D Bike is looking nice. Lotta parts you had to get and a lotta good work. I get it all... - Serow ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by ZAR on 01/06/13 at 19:45:28 575A525E5C5D57595A5E330 wrote:
Screwbot? ;D ;D ;D Bike is looking nice. Lotta parts you had to get and a lotta good work. I get it all... - Serow ;D ;D ;D...[/quote] Yep Jim.....I've seen the fuzzy little feller called about everything,including Rowboat,but that is a first ::)! And Sero....you do imitate a windscreen...catching all the crap that flies through the air! ;) |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - And Questions Post by runwyrlph on 01/07/13 at 06:51:34 Quote:
I think somebody just got a new nickname! :) |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by SavageCat on 01/07/13 at 08:20:38 Literally just noticed his name is SerowBot....have read it as ScrewBot for almost a year now...reading PWNS me. Thanks for the compliments folks!! |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by greenmonster on 01/09/13 at 10:40:24 Is this place a democracy? I'd like to move that we officially change his name to Screwbot. That's the first thing that actually made me laugh this morning! |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by SALB on 01/09/13 at 11:43:07 273225252E2D2F2E33342532400 wrote:
I second the motion! ;D |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/09/13 at 13:49:12 182A3D2A2C2E082A3F4B0 wrote:
have read it as ScrewBot for almost a year Seriously? Thats hilarious! FWIW, Im not okay with the proposed name change,, I think everyone knows that bot is short for robot.. Its just not nice,, &, if he changes it, I cant call him Rowboat any more. |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by verslagen1 on 01/09/13 at 14:19:46 He can change it to Scrwbt then you can go either way. ;D just tryin' to be helpful. |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by SavageCat on 02/07/13 at 14:44:45 Did some more wrenching...Slavy installed = happy bike. Replaced the clutch cover gasket as well and cleaned stuff up down there. http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0697_zps470f4e8f.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/media/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0697_zps470f4e8f.jpg.html) Replacing the spark plug too...prolly ok, but hey why not... http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0708_zps79695880.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/media/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/IMG_0708_zps79695880.jpg.html) Also, have a question. When I run a bead of gasket maker over the valve/head cover I have heard two ideas.. 1) Install and torque the cover down right after you place it...waiting 15-20 minutes after each max torque reading until they're all good (basically what the DIY says). OR 2) Set the cover down, torque the bolts down to about half torque, then wait 12-24 hours, and then torque all the way. The logic being that you let the gasket maker set for a little bit, and then when you do the final torque you are compressing the gasket instead of squishing the gasket maker out... Thoughts? Getting there...Next = new battery (mini AGM), fix exhaust leak at muffler to header join, wrap header with black wrap :) Then on to the ToesNoes tach and speedo....that set-up is ballin!!! |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by verslagen1 on 02/08/13 at 09:11:07 754750474143654752260 wrote:
Generally, I wait overnite for the 1st setup at half or less torque. |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage-Short repair/build-Wrenchin and Ques Post by SavageCat on 02/09/13 at 10:42:52 Any advice on putting the cylinder head cover back on without smearing the gasket maker? If have done a few practice runs without any sealant and it's crazy close. Inevitably I nick something and I assume that would be bad...thoughts? Also, do I need to put sealant on both surfaces or just one? If one, does it matter which? And I assume that wherever it's shiny (i.e. where the cover and cylinder head match, there needs to be sealant? Sorry for so many questions, just trying to avoid doing it again because of a bad seal. Thanks! |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage-Short repair/build-Wrenchin and Ques Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/13 at 10:54:54 i put it on the cover side... cause it's easier to apply. but you're less likely to scrape it on the head side. |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage-Short repair/build-Wrenchin and Ques Post by SavageCat on 02/09/13 at 11:11:39 3A293E3F202D2B29227D4C0 wrote:
But either way you just put it on one side right? Thanks for the speedy reply!!! |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage - Short repair/build - 3-up Savage?! Post by Digger on 02/09/13 at 18:10:24 5D6F786F696B4D6F7A0E0 wrote:
I believe that the method used is sealant-dependent. I'd read the directions for the sealant and go by that. IHTH! |
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Title: Re: 98 Savage-Short repair/build-Wrenchin and Ques Post by SavageCat on 08/16/16 at 10:10:20 Hey gang….final update on the Savage…#holyOPthreadrevival…I sold my Savage about a week ago, it was bitter sweet since she was my first bike, and I put a fair bit of sweat equity into her, but I was ready to move on to something different, and the kid I sold it to was just as excited to get it as I was when I first got it…(when it looked like this) http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/DSC00835_zpsddc9d0aa.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/media/98%20Suzuki%20Savave/DSC00835_zpsddc9d0aa.jpg.html) First, funny story, the bike had been stubborn to start for like a year...and I was too lazy to take apart the carb and mess with it...especially since once it was started it ran like a champ. Then one day I was riding and gas started pouring out of my vent tube from the valve cover...not good...so I shut off the bike and got a buddy to tow it home for me…gas in the oil…also not good…drained and refilled oil…drove around the block (started and ran just fine)…then drained and changed again. After that I decided I would actually listen to folks and actually turn my fuel off when I wasn’t riding it…low and behold the Savage’s starting problem literally disappeared!! Apparently fuel was leaking down and flooding the engine…making it hard to start…(insert forehead smash on wall)….moral of the story…shut off your fuel. Just thought I would share with you all the final look and progress of my Savage....replaced the chain tensioner, replaced the head plug, updated turn signals, replaced petcock with the Raptor and the custom battery box are all the notables...generally cleaned up the bike as well. http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/1998%20Suzuki%20Savage/IMG_2987_zpsf49b7dfc.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/media/1998%20Suzuki%20Savage/IMG_2987_zpsf49b7dfc.jpg.html) http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/1998%20Suzuki%20Savage/FB1AF909-8415-4B5D-A6D7-0D0D278B388F_zpsijfevzvl.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/media/1998%20Suzuki%20Savage/FB1AF909-8415-4B5D-A6D7-0D0D278B388F_zpsijfevzvl.jpg.html) http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/1998%20Suzuki%20Savage/57013A8F-A629-4A31-BB50-A9F11F623094_zpselkfmd62.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/media/1998%20Suzuki%20Savage/57013A8F-A629-4A31-BB50-A9F11F623094_zpselkfmd62.jpg.html) More pics here: http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/library/1998%20Suzuki%20Savage Good News! I stayed in the Suzi family…I picked up a SV650S for bascicaly what I sold my Savage for and have been quite happy with the new moto…I suspect that somewhere down the road I will acquire another Savage…but for now…it’s the SV for me. http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk103/hlhhmc/SV%20Beginning_zps0in6yn86.jpg (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/hlhhmc/media/SV%20Beginning_zps0in6yn86.jpg.html) I can’t say thank you enough to all of you guys for helping me…literally made having the bike that much more fun…so much good info here there that saved me thousands of dollars and tons of time….keep it up!! Savage_Cat |
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