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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1355602010 Message started by Jahoo on 12/15/12 at 12:06:50 |
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Title: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Jahoo on 12/15/12 at 12:06:50 So i'm using a trailer fender to replace my existing fender to giveit a more bobber look, I'm going to be putting reinforcement straps like the fender here http://bluecollarbobbers.com/web/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=55&category_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1&vmcchk=1&Itemid=1. Wount these reinforcemnt straps cause my back tire to rub on the fender or am i missing something? Thanks for any input. |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Paladin. on 12/15/12 at 12:48:55 153E3730305F0 wrote:
Missing that the fender is mounted to the swingarm. Like the front fender hugs the tire. Also, adjusted your avatar, sharper, read better: http://www.andruschak.net/Avatars/Baltimore.gif |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Serowbot on 12/15/12 at 12:57:49 Right,.. fender moves with tire,... all fender attachment is to swingarm instead of frame... |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by WD on 12/15/12 at 15:13:51 Two L brackets, 2 pieces of flat stock and some self-drilling screws. Costs about $10 to make a floating fender... well, and a bit of time to get the material bent properly. You can do the same thing with a 2up seat and a full fender, just need some bar stock welded to the frame as seat reinforcement. Think Kawasaki Drifter 1500 or HD "Rocker" swingarms and fender tabs... |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Jahoo on 12/15/12 at 15:23:28 Thanks for the avatar adjustment. I'll start looking up floating fender tutorials. Thanks guys. But I guess my idea of a p-pad or sissy bar would be probably a little dicey? To much bouncing around? |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by WD on 12/15/12 at 15:35:06 Use a solid rear fender hoop made out of 3/16" x 1" flat stock. Or make the fender hoop and sissy bar as a unit, plenty strong. Look at Paughco and V-twin Manufacturing's websites. They've done all the engineering (decades ago), you just rescale the design as needed. J&P Cycles website has them as well, look in the Vintage Catalog. Also look up Jammer's Handbook... It isn't as hard as you fear or as easy as you hope. I've been building custom bikes for 25 years and change. Take your time, eyeball it several times. If you get in a bind, there is always somebody on site to give you a hand. |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Jahoo on 12/15/12 at 16:00:01 I was hoping to go the trailer fender route, I bought one that is the right size for the savage and am making this my first metal fabrication project. |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Bubba1 on 12/16/12 at 14:07:16 I am about to take on same project ! Let m know how u make out or if I get to it first I will let u know , I didn't see your bike do u have shocks or struts? Also I assume you r from Bmore me too ! darn Ravens. Stunk it up today |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Bubba1 on 12/16/12 at 14:14:43 If you drill holes in the trailer fender where the stock bolt holes are in the frame u can just bolt it on and don't have to worry about the struts for fender at all , or u can make struts for it and bolt or weld to swing arm but u have to be sure u have clearance when u hit a pothole ! Chances are u wont if u r a big dude and want to put the lady on the back |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Jahoo on 12/16/12 at 19:09:07 Bubba, at least the birds are in the play offs. I'm going to try and make some bolt on hardtail struts too just to see what I think about how bad it is on my kidneys. If I can't stand it I'm going to go with a floating fender, If I can deal I'm going to start work on basically turning my stock Sav into something like this. Kinda frisco almost looks like an xs650 custom. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma1026I0Ae1rs8n8ao1_500.jpg |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by ZAR on 12/16/12 at 19:23:50 Jahoo take it from a worn out,broke down,busted up old scooter tramp from the glory days of choppers. Think back to Arlen Ness and "Bay Area Customs. Long before Orange County Choppers and Jesse James. Rigid struts and hard-tailed frames are for the young guys. And they make a young guy old ,quick! I rode rigids way back when,but only around town and short putts. Thinking back, it seems not so bright to beat up your body just to look cool when you can ride comfortably with a good suspension. Just my $0.02 worth. |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by WD on 12/16/12 at 20:39:01 Having grown up riding springers on rigid frames... most with hard mounted seats... I'm 40 and about 60% of the time need a cane. Yes, rigids handle better. Yes rigids look cleaner. Yes, a rigid frame and a springer are traditional (but only with suspended seats if you want to be truly accurate). I prefer them, okay, I really loathe seeing shocks on a bike, completely destroys the lines of it. If I'm going to ride a suspension bike I'd rather have a Virago chassis, VN800/900 or Softail. They look traditional, the shocks are hidden. Suspending your seat... Forget the cute little generic chopper seat with clothes pin or tug boat spec Detroit Diesel valve springs. The Savage frame will accept K model Harley solo seats, use the police spring package, your lumbar spine will thank you. Or better yet, get a seat and springs for a KZ900/1000P series (same ones Harley still uses on police Road Kings for a lot less money). They are big enough that your butt doesn't hang off the sides, the foam is much better quality, the vinyl cover is higher quality and the springs are designed to work. |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Serowbot on 12/16/12 at 22:28:18 WD,.. yer' hardass, cool... ;)... ...but, if hardtails handled better,.. I'm sure GP racers would be happy to drop the weight... As an old dirt rider,.. the more time your tire is in contact with the ground,.. the better control you have... Ultimately,.. you want suspension to absorb every nuance of road deviation you will encounter... The firmer your contact to the road,.. the more control you have... ... and the faster you can go... Suspension isn't just a comfort,.. it's performance... It's keeping rubber to road, for maximum acceleration and braking... If you can ride hardtail fast,.. I'm impressed... If you can ride without a front brake fast... I'm impressed... ... but, that's like ridin' with one hand tied behind your back... |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by WD on 12/16/12 at 23:11:24 I outgrew fast a long time ago. Except dirt track parallel twins... with twin leading shoe drums on both ends. I like the way a rigid doesn't get squirmy in corners. I like the way a springer doesn't dive when you use the front brake. The combination of the two works great for where/how I like to ride. But the bikes we have at the farm aren't suitable to be set up that way. I tried hardtail struts on my Savage, didn't like it. If I want it to be a rigid, I'll order a proper weld-on conversion kit for it. And a real sprung seat. If I'm stuck in town I'll take my Savage. If I'm stuck having to ride the super slab give me a Vulcan, a Harley, a Road Star, a Royal Star, an 1100 ACE or something else that can get out of its own way w/o squashing me up on the tank (no repli-racers). |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Jahoo on 12/16/12 at 23:47:11 I think I'm going to use the hard tail struts to give it a try. When I first bought my non rubber mounted sportster everyone told me the vibration was going to drive me crazy, but it never seemed to bother me. The amount of repairs on the Harley has driven me insane though. Seeing how I am in fact pretty young and like the look of the struts I'm going to give hard tail a shot, but unless I love it I'm going to start on the floating fender and keep the suspension. I am in no need of a messed up back. This is my first metal working project, where could I get the metal to do the struts? Should be a real easy build right? Cut stock to measured dimension, drill two holes, put on bike, then shake kidneys and vertebrae out of place for a bit. |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Demin on 12/17/12 at 04:36:24 Every Savage I've put together,I've run struts on it.I do that alot because I usually sell them and that gives the customer the option of putting shocks back on it.I'm 48 and that's what I ride.Solid mount seat.Those little springs for seats suck unless you're a little guy.I'm 6'3",270.But I also use a 150/90 rear tire at about 25 pounds. |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Bubba1 on 12/17/12 at 11:12:46 I have a set of homemade struts if u want to try em made from square stock they look nice if u like em 10 bucks if not give em back I will be heading over bay bridge sat about 2pm if u want to meet me on 50 and get em look at my pic to see them on my bike |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Bubba1 on 12/17/12 at 11:14:15 Here's a pic to make it easier |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Bubba1 on 12/17/12 at 13:56:17 About an hr ago I was driving home and low and behold my neighbor is throwing out a spare tire cover from a van needless to say I asked if I could have and he gave it to me ! So here is what I have right now |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Bubba1 on 12/17/12 at 13:57:52 Side view |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by WD on 12/17/12 at 14:41:04 Any metal shop can make you the struts for cheap. 1/2-1" stock, 9/16" holes 9.5-10.5 inches on center. Depends on how much fender gap you want. And whether you want spacer washers or the "fun" of tapering the struts to fit your mounts perfectly. I didn't like the struts because no matter how tight I got the hardware, there was still some unwanted movement compared to true rigid frames. You can get pre bent tubing and axle plates fairly reasonably. Somebody on the forum here or on Do The Ton used to sell them, don't remember who. BUT, conversion to a true rigid frame is permanent... |
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Title: Re: Doesnt this fender only work on rigids? Post by Jahoo on 12/17/12 at 21:54:38 darn that's a great find. Bubba I'd love to take those struts off your hands. I'll pm you. |
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