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Title: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Rj on 12/11/12 at 17:23:30 I just bought a 2004 suzuki savage ls650. Is there anyway I can take the old air filter off completely and put an aftermarket K&N Air Filter on? It seems hard to find the right dimensions for an air filter! Any help will be appreciated. I am from Ohio. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Dj12midnit on 12/11/12 at 17:49:30 yes |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by verslagen1 on 12/11/12 at 17:59:39 there's a drop in and a pod that fits. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by oldNslow on 12/11/12 at 18:07:44 If you're looking for a K&N that fits the stock air box the K&N part number is SU - 6595. Don't know about the one that just clamps to the carb after you get everything out of the way. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Rj on 12/11/12 at 20:08:44 Thanks for the replies. If you say I can, do you know where I can get the parts? I would like to completely take out the stock air filter and put a k&n filter on. Is it difficult to take off? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Charon on 12/11/12 at 20:17:09 The obvious question - what do you think is wrong with the stock air filter? By most accounts a pleated paper filter gets out more "stuff" than an oiled foam one. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Cavi Mike on 12/11/12 at 20:30:58 K&N filters aren't foam, they're cotton gauze and the particulates that may pass through are far too small do be damaging. Paper filters exist because they're cheap - not because they're good. They clog faster and are far too restrictive from the get-go. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by jcstokes on 12/11/12 at 21:47:20 There's an issue with some of the "pod"types that attach direct to the carb blocking off part of the intake. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by verslagen1 on 12/11/12 at 21:52:37 727B6B6C77737D6B180 wrote:
This is true if you get one of the small pods that have a large step where the carb attaches. Look for one that has a small step and will look fitted to the opening of the carb. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Demin on 12/12/12 at 06:11:51 I trimmed the rubber edge on mine and put a little black silicone around the outside just to make sure it is still sealed. Where in Ohio? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/13/12 at 16:07:00 I have a NEW K&N Air filter for the factory airbox...asking $49.95 and I will ship it for free. FYI...I am currently fabricating an air filter replacement for the factory airbox .....Will have them available just after the New Year...I will post availability and pics in January. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Cavi Mike on 12/13/12 at 19:33:55 A drop-in replacement? I doubt you could compete with K&N for cost and if you could I highly doubt it would compete with them for quality or performance. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/14/12 at 07:45:10 Not a drop-in replacement. this will replace the factory airbox with a conventional looking ait filter. It will be self explanatory when you see the pics. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Rj on 12/14/12 at 18:05:51 Verslagen1- what do you mean by step? I'm kinda new to motorcycle maintenance. Demin- do you have a picture? I am from bowling green, Ohio. Super thumper- I look forward to seeing the pictures. Thanks everyone |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/15/12 at 09:16:07 The plan is to replace the stock airbox and the rubber extension tube that goes from the carb to the airbox with a solid PVC tune and clamp-on air filter. No pic of the whole arrangement yet but I have included a pic of the air filter it will use. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Rj on 12/16/12 at 16:41:40 I would love something like that!! Let me know when it's ready and i can be your test trial |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Gyrobob on 12/17/12 at 06:57:10 Long ago, as a result of air filter testing we did in school (B.S. Aero Engrg and for A&P certificate) I always favored stock (or at least pleated paper) airfilters changed regularly. Bought on sale when possible, but still pleated paper,... not oiled foam (Uni) or oiled gauze (K&N). Here are some more recent tests. They are in agreement with the tests we did in the engine labs so long ago. A few basic points: -- Quality pleated paper filters usually flow about as good as you can get. In the tests below, when the K&N did flow better it was only a tiny bit better,... very tiny,... so tiny it was within the marging of testing error. -- Quality pleated filters trapped more particles. Dust, dirt, etc. Quality pleated filters send cleaner air to the engine. -- Occasionally the oil used on foam or gauze filters can contaminate sensors inside the intake or exhaust systems. Not much of a factor for a Savage, though, eh? http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html http://www.jackphelps.com/frontier/dynoknfilter.htm http://www.bmwe34.net/E34main/Upgrade/Air_filter.htm http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/17/12 at 07:32:30 Thanks for the info...it is always good to get a second (or third) opinion so we can make informed decisions. For me I also want to have that old school look of a visible air filter not to mention of losing the weight and clutter of the factory airbox. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Gyrobob on 12/17/12 at 08:32:35 756B626E606F736869070 wrote:
Valid reasons. One thing I got out of all those research projects was that while there were differences, the differences were never very much in flow or filtration. For the same reasons as yours, there are guys that put a velocity stack on the carb and use a simple convex screen over the mouth of the opening. Keeps the bugs out, eh? http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/velocity20stack.jpghttp://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh253/Gyrobob_theOriginal/Motorcycle/Miscellaneous/carbscreen01-1.jpg |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/17/12 at 15:17:07 Not to mention small birds! Thanks for the info and pics! :) |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Cavi Mike on 12/18/12 at 03:13:28 Quote:
Ummmm maybe because it does? Is this guy serious? The more air you can get into the engine, the more power you can extract from it. This is basic knowledge. And clearly this guy has never noticed just how much air an engine can suck in while he rants in his ALL CAPS like a bloody teenager. This test sure looks like it means something but he's only showing us figures for an engine drawing 350CFM. What good is that? A naturally aspirated 350sbc draws over 500CFM at 5,000 rpm. Add a supercharger or turbo to that and those figures double or triple. No paper filter is ever going to allow enough air in and I know this from personal experience. My old turbo-charged Eclipse gained over 1sec at the drag strip from simply removing the stock air-box and putting a large K&N cone filter on. But as I've said before in another post - the very small particulates that a good gauze filter may pass are still far too small to be harmful to your engine. Let this guy play with his paper filters because he clearly doesn't care about performance - he cares about making sure his stupid O2 sensor doesn't get clogged. Boo hoo. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/18/12 at 08:12:28 We all know that an internal combustion engine is nothing more than an air pump. Two things make power, the speed at which air is moved through the pump and the total volume of air moved. When you study the improvements over the years you will see that virtually ALL of them were to the more efficient movement of air through the engine, the improvements to the more efficient vaporization of fuel not withstanding. This why turbos and superchargers make more power...more air in = more power out ;D |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by tomw on 12/19/12 at 12:17:13 I,am running a K&N RC-2340 this is the only K&N air filter I've found that would clear ever thing from stock air box with snorkel removed, to a lowered seat pan and tank & seat mounts bracket clearance without cutting or grinding anything only thing is your going to have to rejet. I've got a 2006 thats bobbed out 335 pounds and get alot of looks with the air box removed because the openness of the frame now gives it custom frame look plus makes the engine look hugh witch it is large single 650 |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/20/12 at 06:57:37 This what I am after also...the open frame look so people can see the engine more clearly. Nice to hear someone else thinks this the way to go. When I have mine done I will post pics for all to see. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by tomw on 12/22/12 at 19:32:25 super thumper is this the look ??? check it out keep's up with my buds shovel head for a while. market place 2006 s40 bobber saline mi. if i can help you out pm me not to good on computer but will try to help you out .I grew up in the late 60.s and rember old twins and singels BSA wamted to put BSA tank badges on could be done with after market plastic and a little bit of heat . If you take the chrome head cover off lookes like a 500 bsa gold star when I go to bike week i summer the old timers say nice gold star then they say nice try shifter on the wroung side have a lot fun with this bike and got a 883 out the hole purrty good ha ha 100 + lbs lighter good luck with your procheck |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Super Thumper on 12/23/12 at 19:27:00 YES...I am going for the old school look...my head covers are off like you said. When I am done this winter most of the mods will be to the engine and drive systems. next winter will be the frame, swingarm and rear fender/tire, progressive rear shocks, mods to complete the look. These are the mods already done before winter set in...tachometer, Solo Seat from a Suzuki C50 Boulevard. (800cc V-twin), widened gas tank (4.0 gal) & a replacement muffler. This winter these mods will be complete...Big Bore Kit, Stage II Cam, Head Porting, Mikuni VM36 Carb with a U.F.O., Intelliget & Torque Wing, Barnet Heavy Duty Clutch, Larger Exhaust Head Pipe, Chain drive Conversion, Drilled Front Brake Rotor, Electronic speedometer wth a tripmeter :P |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by perajani on 12/28/12 at 03:13:35 Some topics in here hint that attaching cone directly to carb is not the best solution, due the airflows turbulance or whatever :P But still many of us seem to have this method... I am not looking for the ultimate powerhouse, so is there any issues why not to go for directly one of these K&N models RC 1250, 2880 or 2340. All these are out there, but what is the difference? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Gyrobob on 12/28/12 at 04:50:55 2A3F283B303B34335A0 wrote:
Generally, better flow is obtained if there is more of a closed and larger volume upstream of the carb. The length and diameter of that volume has a tuning effect that can resonate at a given rpm to increase power. Putting a small round filter directly on the carb negates any of that. This is similar to having a stubby pipe on the exhaust side of the engine vs a pipe of a certain length and diameter to help scavenge the exhaust in a certain rpm range. One factor is the room available for these things. On a motorcycle there is usually lots of room for an exhaust pipe, but not much for an intake pipe. On high performance bikes, the manufacturers put huge amounts of research and engineering into the flow properties on the intake side with ducts, runners, airbox shape and volume, variable intake valving, etc. The way my RYCA CS-1 is set up with the kit-supplied K&N filter, I am pretty sure I am losing some hp there. It does look tidy, though, eh? http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/42589/1860323-T800600.jpg See reply 138 in the Double RYCA build for more pics. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by perajani on 12/28/12 at 05:43:35 It looks like KN RC-2880. Atleast it has 57mm diameter in intake (2.25 in). I like the way the vapor hose is connected to this small place. How tight are the cones? I found interesting Simota filter, but they only have 55mm diameter max. Could it fit to 57mm? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Gyrobob on 12/28/12 at 07:50:23 110F34352C3039255C0 wrote:
You might have lost a hp or two doing that. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Gyrobob on 12/28/12 at 08:38:55 I just sent a PM on how to do this. or just go to http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1347074669 |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Greg on 12/28/12 at 11:03:49 Just click the Browse button below all the smileys when you reply and browse to the file on your computer, choose it, click Open, then click on the Post button. Do not preview as it removes the attachment. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Gyrobob on 12/28/12 at 12:47:49 69774C4D5448415D240 wrote:
Glad you figured it out. Cumbersome procedure, eh? Now, the gentlemanly thing for you to do is to go back and delete the last few posts that don't contibute anything,... the ones where you were trying to post the pic and couldn't. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by MShipley on 12/28/12 at 13:06:06 I just ripped out the air box.....it dosn't like to come out.......and use a cone filter. Works great. PS thanks Gyrobob. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by perajani on 01/15/13 at 11:34:00 Got a KN RC-1250 and it seems to Fit nice and easy. Of course I have opened the airbox, but I have also the stock one, so might see if this fits also that without mods. http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/perajani/Winter%202012-2013%20Part2/IMG_1500_zps4f02f9a0.jpg This is how it looks like. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by perajani on 01/24/13 at 11:37:16 Hi again my project is on-going. Now I fitted Lifepo4 battery and all electronics in airbox. Tilted left side cover and relocated also rectifier in airbox. Only question is does the rectifier need to touch "ground" ? http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/perajani/Winter%202012-2013%20Part2/IMG_1542_zpsff8d93a7.jpg |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by verslagen1 on 01/24/13 at 11:58:40 No it doesn't. However, connection to another piece of metal may provide additional cooling. In some cases, charging problems will show up as an over heated rectifier. Some have said it should be isolated. This is due to an internal short on their particular unit. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by perajani on 01/24/13 at 12:46:25 OK thanks. Fitting side cover was a little tight but made it. Now its looking quite lean. http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/perajani/Winter%202012-2013%20Part2/IMG_1543_zpsd7a768ed.jpg |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Sticks16 on 02/20/13 at 15:49:21 Perajani, that looks great. I was looking for something similar to do. I wanted to keep the side covers and hide everything but also was looking to modify the air filter. Have you noticed a major difference at all.... Good or bad in switching to the cone filter and removing the airbox? Thanks |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by perajani on 02/22/13 at 11:55:46 It looks great but we have still 30cm snow outside. I will test run it approx in 2 months.. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by perajani on 04/29/13 at 23:03:25 OK snow has melted and testrun is done. I have to say that Raptor + cone changed the whole thing. Previously so mild engine has lots of more torgue. So I think it was not getting enough juice. Like the new open look with the LiFePo battery too. Still some mild back-firing, I try to tune it during the season. http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z359/perajani/pienimp_zpsb681b9a8.jpg |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by JLight on 04/30/13 at 08:01:11 Who is successfully running the 2340? It's 2.125" flange seems like it would be too small. I like the overall size better than the 1250 though. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Starykon on 08/05/13 at 10:31:24 Does anyone know offhand what the throttle body diameter is? I'm looking to go with a cone filter as well, but can't get a good measurement. I've found the Emgo filters in several different sizes (from 42mm-52mm I believe). I'll be tearing down later this year for upgrades, but I'd like to have all the parts I need on hand. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by JLight on 08/05/13 at 10:37:46 57mm. I bought the K&N with a 54mm inlet and it fits but I had to get a different clamp. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Starykon on 08/05/13 at 18:18:17 Thanks very much |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by tman1533 on 08/27/13 at 07:55:45 Which battery did you use? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Hamman on 05/10/17 at 21:28:03 Probably skipped over it, but what do we do with the float bowl vent nipples? Should I just cap those along with the vacuum petcock hose? I am moving to a manual petcock and pod filter..Thanks |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by verslagen1 on 05/10/17 at 22:39:04 As the name implies... they are vents, don't cap them. Normally we extend those up to the square frame opening above the carb. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Savage Air Filter Post by Hamman on 05/11/17 at 07:53:14 Perfect, sounds easy enough! |
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