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Message started by paulmarshall on 12/09/12 at 23:36:03

Title: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/09/12 at 23:36:03

I have just brought a Vecter to replace my stock speedo. I am entering data but there are 3 things im not sure about. The computer is asking for a high temp and a danger temp.So can anyone tell me either in F or C What would our motor concider being high and dangerous? And it wants to know how often a oil change should be done. Either MPH or KMS. Might sound strange but this thing has a censor that connects to the spark plug that records the bikes temp.

Title: Re: Vecter Trail Tech Computer
Post by jcstokes on 12/10/12 at 00:39:57

Oil and filter every 6000 kms From the handbook. Spark plug relacement at 12000km. Stock air cleaner, which you haven't got should be cleaned every 3000km.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by arteacher on 12/10/12 at 07:40:05

I did a search in RSD of "head temperature" and "head temp" and didn't turn up any numbers for you.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by verslagen1 on 12/10/12 at 08:05:08

I could point you towards some running temps I did with an I/R meter.

But most likely your meter readings will be relative to the sensor locations.

And you should be looking for temps out of the ordinary rather than absolutes.

I would suspect that your head temp will be less than 450°F and oil temp less than 200°F on the average.

Max oil temp will be the temperature the oil is rated for.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/10/12 at 14:13:16

Thanks for your help. I realize that its prob more of a gimmick, but would be fun to enter some data. 450 would be a good starting point and maybe 500 for danger temp. I can re program the figures if needed.
Has a Savage engine ever over heated before?
It has a few fun features like riding time, lap times,stop watch, clock,records current, average and maximum speeds when going on road trips. Which could come in handy if you need to prove your speed to a cop. :)
A few other features too.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by verslagen1 on 12/10/12 at 14:33:36

run it for a half hour in 100° heat at 70 and you'll know what "hot" is.

then come to a stop and let her idle for a minute and you'll know what "really hot" is. A bikini wax job couldn't do better at removing the hairs on your legs. :o

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/10/12 at 17:10:30

yes good idea. I will connect it without the data, It will still register the temp and I can set the limits from there. Will let you know the temp if anyone is interested.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by Oldfeller on 12/11/12 at 12:13:54

Yup, and when you get done seeing how hot your hot can get up to, you'll understand why some of us wisely prefer to use the "relatively heat proof" synthetic oils like Rotella T-6.

Water cooled vehicles have a heat ceiling, air cooled vehicles do not.

And we CAN do stupid things like a prolonged idling right after a high speed section of interstate, or similar stupid things, like go up to the mountains with the boys for a week to play around a bit on them curvy hilly bits.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by jcstokes on 12/11/12 at 14:42:13

Paul, you could ring or email Suzuki's national centre in Wanganui and see if they are of any use.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by Dave on 12/11/12 at 14:52:14

I just poked around a bit on the internet, and the only thing about cylinder head temps I found was on Harley Forums. The Harley heads run about 305 on the front cylinder and about 330 on the rear cylinder in 90 degree outside temperatures (all in Fahrenhiet). I would suggest you ride yours and come up with a "normal" temperature for your bike, then set the alarms based on that.

Did you buy the Universal kit for an air cooled bike with front disc brake - or did they have a specific kit for the LS650/S40?

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 18:34:09

08333E2938342F29323A37285B0 wrote:

I brought the universal air cooled one.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 18:44:14

I put a lot of thought as to where to mount it. I decided to mount it on the left. Two reasons 1 so I can keep my hands close to hand grip and 2, cosmeticly it compliments the oil reservior on the right side.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 18:46:35

Front angle. From this angle you can see what I mean when I say iy compliments the oil reservior. gives it ballance.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 18:47:28

Close up.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 21:06:36

1330383A393030392E5C0 wrote:

Yes I agree which is why I prefer to run a motorcycle oil suitable for diesel motors and not the other way round. ;)

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 21:12:28

6B4840424148484156240 wrote:

And when I do supply this heat imformation how are you going to compare the heat difference? Do you have a method of measuring your engine heat? :-?

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by Cavi Mike on 12/11/12 at 21:22:24

It's an air-cooled engine so there really isn't a mean temperature to gauge - which is why there wasn't a temp gauge or idiot light in the first place. None of the info you get or give us is really going to mean anything.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 21:32:13

7B6A7E67666A7978636A67670B0 wrote:

[quote author=624057486C484A44210 link=1355124965/15#16 date=1355289744]It's an air-cooled engine so there really isn't a mean temperature to gauge - which is why there wasn't a temp gauge or idiot light in the first place. None of the info you get or give us is really going to mean anything.

Exactly which is why I said in a earlier post that it is a gimmick. ;D[/quote]

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 21:34:19

092B3C230723212F4A0 wrote:

And I also said " If anyone is interested I can give them this info".
Obviously you are not and thats fine. :)

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by verslagen1 on 12/11/12 at 21:47:35

Naturally, more info is better than none.

Here's some... if you're interested... it doesn't mean much. ::)

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1283117891/0

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/11/12 at 21:55:57

273423223D3036343F60510 wrote:

Naturally, more info is better than none.

Here's some... if you're interested... it doesn't mean much. ::)

http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1283117891/0

Yes that is very useful thanks. I do agree that synthetic oils like Rotella T-6 are very good for our Savages. I mentioned that in a previous post after using a motorcycle oil that said its suitable for diesel engine. It was then I realised that the oil I use must be very similar to Rotella T-6.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/12/12 at 18:16:53

I took my Savage out for a 45min ride on a hot day and the temp reached 132 degrees Celsius [270°F] for those of you who are interested. I will be using a mates GPS tomorrow to check that my speedo is calibrated properly. The pic is very fuzzy sorry, but if you look closely up in the top right hand corner you cant just make out the 132 temp.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/12/12 at 18:18:58

Here it is mounted from different angle. Not too much of a eye sore.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/12/12 at 18:20:01

Front angle

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by jcstokes on 12/12/12 at 22:01:50

Balances the master cylinder

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by Dave on 12/13/12 at 07:23:44

Give us an update on how well the computer/speedo works. Is the display easily visible in dayllight and at night......are the lights too bright at night....does the sunlight reflect or glare on the screen? I had a digital display on my Kawasaki Super Sherpa and it worked very well and could easily be seen night or day - but the bright light indicater lamp was horribly bright at night.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/13/12 at 12:49:31

2D3C2831303C2F2E353C31315D0 wrote:

After going on a long ride today, I must give a more accurate measure of temp. The air temp today was 26C-78.8F and at a around town speed of 50KM-31MPH the head temp sat on 73C-163.4F.
And at open road speed of 100KM-62MPH the head temp dropped and sat on 51C-123F.
The temp that I provided yesterday was a reading from the max screen. eg. Highest speed, highest temp, etc.
I did have it sitting in idle for ages which might account for the high temp.

Some more useless info for those of you interested.
I am happy with the purchase and find it interesting while riding to have this information at my fingertips. It too will help me be more vigilant about my head temp.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by Cavi Mike on 12/13/12 at 19:28:32

50C? That actually is about as useless as it gets. Clearly you didn't put the sensor close enough to the combustion chamber so now all you're reading is an average of engine temp and ambient air temp. Why did you even bother? Put the sensor in an oil galley, at least then you'll have an idea of what's really going on - but I doubt it.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/13/12 at 22:08:43

496B7C634763616F0A0 wrote:

;D Thank You for your positive feed back. It warms my heart that there are people like you that make these forums such a fun and friendly place.
Top marks and well done. ;)

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/13/12 at 22:25:36

230116092D090B05600 wrote:

I have just had another thought why dont you not only express your concrens to me that a feature of there product is pointless, Contact them directly. You just have to Google 'Vector Trail Tech Computers'https://www.google.co.nz/#hl=en&tbo=d&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=trail+tech&oq=trai&gs_l=hp.1.0.35i39j0l3.1907.3283.0.6776.4.4.0.0.0.0.641.1807.3-2j1j1.4.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.NEbSbIv2Vdc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.dGY&fp=1aea1f8e46c1f0ad&bpcl=39967673&biw=1024&bih=674 look for the 'Contact Us' icon. They would love the feedback to future improve there product. ;)

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by Dave on 12/14/12 at 06:48:55

CaviMike:

I believe the sensor is a copper washer that is installed beneath the spark plug. The temperature reading occurs at that location, which is just a tad off center on the cylinder head. This location should be a good indicator of what is going on in the engine, and it is just a couple of inches away from the cam journals.

Now I am not convinced that 50 degrees Centigrade is accurate...that is only 122 degrees Fahrenheith......and that is about 150 - 180 degrees cooler than I would expect the temperature should be.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by verslagen1 on 12/14/12 at 07:19:31

48594D5455594A4B50595454380 wrote:

[quote author=2D3C2831303C2F2E353C31315D0 link=1355124965/15#21 date=1355365013]I took my Savage out for a 45min ride on a hot day and the temp reached 132 degrees Celsius [270°F] for those of you who are interested. I will be using a mates GPS tomorrow to check that my speedo is calibrated properly. The pic is very fuzzy sorry, but if you look closely up in the top right hand corner you cant just make out the 132 temp.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by ColoS40Girl on 12/14/12 at 20:09:50

What screen can I find the actual speed? My brother in law input the speed from the OEM speedometer but now I can't find the correct screen to monitor it to ensure it matches the OEM speedo. Any hep would be appreciated.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/14/12 at 22:14:43

193A3B3B3C30073C313026550 wrote:

Hold all 3 buttons down for 3 seconds and everything will flash, Then scroll through the settings using the middle button until you find the screen you want to alter.
If you are not sure go to there site and download manual. ;)

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/15/12 at 19:01:20

::)Update on Vector Temp Readings, 'Take Two'.

After doing a mod on the temp connecteor to the stark plug, Hopefully some realistic temp readings.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/15/12 at 19:02:56

I then went for a nice long ride on a nice hot day.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/15/12 at 19:08:34

Average speed 75.5, Traveled 57.9 Ks and ambient Temp 35 Celsius.

Title: Re: Vector Trail Tech Computer
Post by paulmarshall on 12/15/12 at 19:15:21

When travelling at 100KPH The Temp was 86 Celcius. And 5min after shutdown the bike heated up tp 120Celcius.
This screen shows Max speep for that trip