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Title: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Paraquat on 11/28/12 at 09:30:15 http://www.whoisthemonkey.com/videopics/fggunsafetyandyou.jpg There's this dude who I consider a family friend. He has a step son. Three, in fact, but let's just focus on one. So this step son has a kid and a girlfriend. He's good people. A hard worker. He works his ass off to provide for them. He lost darn near everything and was staying with my friend while going through a divorce (with the wife, not the present girlfriend) He wanted custody. He fought for custody. He won custody. He spends every weekend with his kid and gf. I know because he posts the pictures at the zoo or what have you on facebook. He and his girlfriend post lovey dovey crap all day long to each other. He's dedicated. He just moved up in the world, bought a house for his family. He took up a second job to help provide and make the ends meet. He's delivering pizzas at night after his full time job. So last weekend he's delivering and gets jumped by 5 Black people. Near the college campus in Middletown. (Possibly students?) Fortunately for him he had gotten his pistol permit and purchased himself a Glock this summer. That changed their decision rather quickly. You probably won't hear about it on the news. I didn't even hear about it on the local news. Not sure it was even reported. No shots fired. Last year there were 2 or 3 pizza drivers killed and about a dozen roughed up here in CT. For what? I worked doing pizza delivery. Sure you get a "bank" at the start of the night but it's like 50 dollars and mostly in singles. Any time a driver had more than 100 on them it was dropped off (where I worked anyway). The picture and title of the thread are from an episode of Family Guy. I can't find the video online. --Steve |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Pine on 11/28/12 at 09:40:24 Happends every day... and your right, NO one will speak to it. Its not news when things go right. My gun club ( nearly all white) bought an aged black man a new gun, ammo, and $300 training course after he(and his wife) was robbed in his own house by another black man. You wont hear about it if hes attacked again, unless he succeeds in his promise to the end the life of the one who attacks him. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WebsterMark on 11/28/12 at 09:49:38 We had a pizza guy killed in St. Louis this month. Nicest guy inthe world is what every one said. They had his sister on TV and she just broke down sobbing... The caught the two black kids who shot him and took a pizza. Now they'll go to jail for the rest of their lives. Think our friend Starlifter will make a big deal out of that guy getting gunned down? Don't hold your breath..... |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/28/12 at 09:50:43 Its been like this for decades,, when I was 15, 42 years ago guys,, when a paperboy Might have $50.00 on him, a kid got hauled off & killed for his paper route $$$. Far as I know, no one has ever been charged, Its worse now, more common,deadly people, no heart, no soul, just WANT & they dont care what it takes to fill their needs. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by srinath on 11/28/12 at 11:50:49 Isolated examples ... besides who is against level headed people owning guns ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by srinath on 11/28/12 at 12:19:32 BTW the title should really read ... "when you squeeze me, I make everyone go away" Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Starlifter on 11/28/12 at 18:15:48 "Think our friend Starlifter will make a big deal out of that guy getting gunned down? Don't hold your breath." Ah, no, I agree. Them big black buck nig-rah's is out to get whitie. Since no white man has ever committed a crime, we need tah round them nigg-rah's up and send them back to Afreeka where the belong...(like that Muslim Kenyan we got in the white house)...by God. yeah, ya first thing ya no them big black buck nig-rah's will be breakin down ya doors, drink'in ya liquor, and rape'in ya wimmon....(snort). ::) **************************************** Tongue in cheek of course, however.. ...Crime is crime, and when people just focus on black crime, I call it racism. If you ignore white on white crime, or white on black crime (read Zimmerman), than there is a bias present. It is true that there are proportionally more black people committing crimes than whites, and proportionally there are more blacks in prison than whites. It's up to the sociologists to theories why. Poverty, one parent homes, lack of education in poor public schools, lake of oppertunity, the hideous and ignorant "rap" music the kids listen to...who knows. But to vilify an entire race of people is just wrong. Someone defends themselves against robbers muggers, whatever with a firearm, or any other weapon, good for thwm. I support that. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by houstonbofh on 11/28/12 at 20:00:30 Starlifter, your argument has a few holes... But as the example of white on black crime you use Zimmerman? He is not white... http://www.google.com/search?q=zimmerman+white |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Starlifter on 11/28/12 at 20:26:40 I stand corrected. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by thumperclone on 11/28/12 at 22:37:00 so quat why post this? |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by built2last66 on 11/29/12 at 03:58:17 Bleeding heart liberal white guys will be the death of us all... |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WebsterMark on 11/29/12 at 05:44:09 Bleeding heart liberal white guys will be the death of us all... Amen to that... |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Midnightrider on 11/29/12 at 07:28:00 Not all liberals are against guns for self protection, I'm not. Times are changing, society has become more desperate and violent. Now that I'm a disabled senior citizen I'm a perfect target. When my wife was in law enforcement I did not like assault weapons. They're made for killing people and I didnt want her in a situation outgunned. We'll always have guns, the goverment couldnt take them away from us if they wanted too, there's too many out there untraceable. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by srinath on 11/29/12 at 09:23:10 57504A4C4B50515D5059573F0 wrote:
Yea ... here is a small insight into the psyche of the Legal mexican ... they think of themsleves as ... get this .... better than white ... Seriously ... they never socialize with mexicans, they think they are superior to them ... and they have the nerve to think that america stole all the places with a spanish sounding name ... like California, arizona, texas, new mexico, colorado ... etc etc ... which we did ... but they think they own those now ... and they also believe all other races (other than whites and blacks) are illegal. Those fools think I am from Iran, or Iraq. Really the fact that he was not white does not automatically make him non racist. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Starlifter on 11/29/12 at 16:56:32 "Not all liberals are against guns for self protection, I'm not. Times are changing, society has become more desperate and violent. Now that I'm a disabled senior citizen I'm a perfect target. When my wife was in law enforcement I did not like assault weapons. They're made for killing people and I didnt want her in a situation outgunned. We'll always have guns, the goverment couldnt take them away from us if they wanted too, there's too many out there untraceable." Yes Midnight, you are correct. Ms. Starlifter and I ae senior citizens also. As a retired federal LEO I have six firearms in the house. Three semi-autos, two revolvers, and a rifle. We are not in the least worried that Obama is "comming for are guns... such bullsh!t. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by houstonbofh on 11/29/12 at 17:34:46 66677C7B74617D150 wrote:
Never said he was, or that he was right. Just that it was not an example of "white oppression" that it was billed as initially. (Initially in the press, not here) |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by srinath on 11/29/12 at 18:07:31 3D3A2026213A3B373A333D550 wrote:
Never said he was, or that he was right. Just that it was not an example of "white oppression" that it was billed as initially. (Initially in the press, not here)[/quote] Let me ask you ... when a mexican thinks he's white and shoots a black guy (and not really counting circumstances here - just as an academic question) is that a racial crime ... and if so, is it white on black, or mexican on black ? All I can tell you is, a lot of megal mexicans really think they own the US. Or atleast parts of it that they are standing on ... its one of those ... How dare you walk on my street wearing pants hanging off your ass and a hoodie. They are every bit as bigoted as the ultra rich white and have every bit as much a sense of entitlement ... and I've heard some of em say - and in fact I really really like this dude, "america will really fall apart at the seams without us mexicans". Which in his case may have been literal ... he was an auto upholstery dude. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by houstonbofh on 11/29/12 at 20:51:42 76776C6B64716D050 wrote:
Never said he was, or that he was right. Just that it was not an example of "white oppression" that it was billed as initially. (Initially in the press, not here)[/quote] Let me ask you ... when a mexican thinks he's white and shoots a black guy (and not really counting circumstances here - just as an academic question) is that a racial crime ... and if so, is it white on black, or mexican on black ? All I can tell you is, a lot of megal mexicans really think they own the US. Or atleast parts of it that they are standing on ... its one of those ... How dare you walk on my street wearing pants hanging off your ass and a hoodie. They are every bit as bigoted as the ultra rich white and have every bit as much a sense of entitlement ... and I've heard some of em say - and in fact I really really like this dude, "america will really fall apart at the seams without us mexicans". Which in his case may have been literal ... he was an auto upholstery dude.[/quote] Yep. Bigotry and racism know no color. Plenty to go around. By the way, my handle is because I live in Houston, Texas. And surprisingly I don't see a lot of what you describe down here. Of course, most of the Latins I know are Salvadorian or Guatemalan... |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by thumperclone on 11/30/12 at 00:51:41 posted this b4 dads bumper sticker in the 60s "register communists not firearms" imo gun controll is hitting what you aim at |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/30/12 at 01:03:45 Documentation exists, reports are out stating Zimmerman knew of a homeless black man who had no one helping him & he took up his cause & helped the guy,, Zimmerman is of mixed race & I would suspect had some experience with "racism" & would likely have a certain amout of empathy. The area had experienced breakins, the guy didnt look like he belonged. There has been an effort to make "Profiling" some kinda horrible behavior, when, to me, its exactly HOW a rational person decides who to look at & who to not look at. Hade there been an old woman with a walker in sight, going the other way, should Zimm have folowed her, so as to not be "Guilty" of profiling,, I mean, using common sense? In hard to solve cases, who gets called in? Ohhh,, I remember,, a Profiler.. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by srinath on 11/30/12 at 05:16:50 292E3432352E2F232E2729410 wrote:
Never said he was, or that he was right. Just that it was not an example of "white oppression" that it was billed as initially. (Initially in the press, not here)[/quote] Let me ask you ... when a mexican thinks he's white and shoots a black guy (and not really counting circumstances here - just as an academic question) is that a racial crime ... and if so, is it white on black, or mexican on black ? All I can tell you is, a lot of megal mexicans really think they own the US. Or atleast parts of it that they are standing on ... its one of those ... How dare you walk on my street wearing pants hanging off your ass and a hoodie. They are every bit as bigoted as the ultra rich white and have every bit as much a sense of entitlement ... and I've heard some of em say - and in fact I really really like this dude, "america will really fall apart at the seams without us mexicans". Which in his case may have been literal ... he was an auto upholstery dude.[/quote] Yep. Bigotry and racism know no color. Plenty to go around. By the way, my handle is because I live in Houston, Texas. And surprisingly I don't see a lot of what you describe down here. Of course, most of the Latins I know are Salvadorian or Guatemalan...[/quote] He he, I could tell you the name of the guy that told me that ... cos he also lives in houston ... I used to ... for 6 mo in 2007/2008. BTW he was no bigot, in fact he was down right just about the nicest person I knew. However you can be nice and still think the world will fall apart without you ... I am married to one of em ... and well, so is my father in law. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Paraquat on 11/30/12 at 06:15:54 392538203D283F2E212223284D0 wrote:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1354076443/2#2 Because of this post. It's no secret here that I'm pro 2nd Amendment. You always hear the bad and never the good. A white guy shot a black guy and it's a national travesty. But a bunch of black guys attacking, or attempting to attack a white guy gets swept under the rug. Or maybe it's just so common place it's not even worth reporting. Maybe that will come across as too racist and my point will be lost? Even if there's a report on the news that doesn't even involve a gun they always use the same generic image. A knife crossed over a gun. They're trying to program you to associate guns with bad things. I just wanted to shed a positive light on guns. Edit: I actually opened a bunch of tabs to read the new posts but finished this one before finishing the "Here we go again" thread. JOG nailed it with his last post. --Steve |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by thumperclone on 12/04/12 at 22:41:16 and now since some youg fb player commits a murder/sucide bob costis thinks he needs to stir the pot bob is just a lil more tolerable than howard was as a commentator betcha hes never held a weapon "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Midnightrider on 12/05/12 at 01:33:33 Who's gonna apply for the job of knocking on peoples doors and asking for their guns? ;D |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WebsterMark on 12/05/12 at 04:36:45 I don't blame Bob Costas for what he said, I blame the microphone.... |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Paraquat on 12/05/12 at 06:07:54 70545953545A55494F5459584F3D0 wrote:
Find a book called "The Tuner Diaries" and read it. --Steve |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Starlifter on 12/05/12 at 20:15:30 "Find a book called "The Tuner Diaries" and read it". --Steve Mr. Paraquat, if you find truth and inspiration in the book "The Turner Diaries", then you concern me very much...That book is the "Bible" for every racist, white supremist, neo-nazi hate-group and organization in the country. This being the case, I would find it not only unpleasant to associate with you, but downright dangerous. I suggest you educate yourself. Timothy McVeigh, responsible for the Oklahoma City bombings, was found carrying an envelope containing pages from "The Turner Diaries" after the attack. The Turner Diaries From Wikipedia <snip> The Turner Diaries is a novel written in 1978 by William Luther Pierce (former leader of the white supremist organization National Alliance) under the pseudonym "Andrew Macdonald".[1] The Turner Diaries depicts a violent revolution in the United States which leads to the overthrow of the United States federal government, nuclear war, and, ultimately, to a race war leading to the extermination of all "impure" groups such as Jews, gay people, and non-whites.[2] The book was called "explicitly racist and anti-Semitic" by The New York Times and has been labeled a "bible of the racist right" by the Southern Poverty Law Center.[3][4] The novel has been associated with a number of real-life violent crimes committed by white separatists and other radicals. Two pages of the book containing a scene depicting preparation for the bombing of the J. Edgar Hoover Building, the FBI national headquarters, were found in the getaway car of Timothy McVeigh, the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.[5][6] The epilogue's exultation that in 1989, "exactly a century after the birth of The Great One (Adol Hitler)... the dream of a White world finally became a certainty", becomes "just 110 years" after Adolf Hitler's birth. According to the Anti-Defamation League, the Turner Diaries is "probably the most widely read book among far-right extremists; many have cited it as the inspiration behind their terrorist organizing and activity." The Simon Wiesenthal Center calls it a "hate book". The novel was initially only available through mail order and partially serialized in National Alliance publications. As of 2000 it was reported to have sold about 500,000 copies. Crimes associated with the book: The Order, an early 1980s Christian extremist and white supremacist group that emerged out of the Aryan Nations, was involved in murder, robberies and counterfeiting, and was named after the group in the book and motivated by the book's scenarios for a race war. The group committed one of the biggest highway robberies of all time, then murdered radio host Alan Berg and engaged in other acts of violence in order to hasten the race war described in the book.John William King was convicted of dragging James Byrd, an African-American, to his death in Jasper, Texas in 1998. As King shackled Byrd's legs to the back of his truck he was reported to have said, "We're going to start The Turner Diaries early." During the course of a federal trial relating to charges of conspiracy to violate civil rights and assault under color of law of Frank Jude, Jr. in 2004 by several off-duty police officers in Milwaukee Wisconsin, a copy of The Turner Diaries was found during a search of the home of one of the officers charged and later convicted. A copy of The Turner Diaries was found (amidst other Neo-Nazi propaganda) in the home of Jacob D. Robida, who attacked 3 men at a gay bar with a hatchet and a gun. Robida fled, killing a hostage and a police officer before committing suicide. David Copeland, a British Neo-Nazi who killed three people in a bombing campaign against London's black, Asian and gay communities in April 1999, quoted from The Turner Diaries while being interviewed by police. Timothy McVeigh, responsible for the Oklahoma City bombings, was found carrying an envelope containing pages from "The Turner Diaries" after the attack. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by houstonbofh on 12/05/12 at 20:50:17 Crimes have been committed in the name of every book ever written, including the Bible, and the Koran. And you blame the book? Not surprised. You blame the gun too... Never the people. Shoot you with a gun, beat you to death with a table leg, or start a Holy War, you are just as dead. Some people are just evil. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Starlifter on 12/05/12 at 23:00:37 "Some people are just evil". ...yes, that was exactly my point in my above post. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/12 at 05:56:59 .yes, that was exactly my point in my above post. No, that wasn't your point. Your point was to yet again take a shot at Christianity by linking fringe elements into the mainstream which is a common liberal tactic. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Paraquat on 12/06/12 at 06:17:02 0A2D382B35303F2D3C2B590 wrote:
I'm flattered. You take what you take from this book... from any book whether it be"Catcher in the Rye" or any other book. Am I so far off base that I could potentially see our rights degrade to a door to door weapons search as described in the book? That was my only intention in referencing the book. If McVeigh learned how to mix up fertilizer bombs from Sesame Street would you still denounce the book? (The book doesn't really describe the methods, just that it was done) --Steve |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WD on 12/06/12 at 08:43:40 Turner Diaries is an interesting read. So is Children of the Ice (Aryan Nations Press), Candidate for the Order, and a few other books in the same genre. I (and a friend) have several reprints of Mien Kampf (not the sanitized version), Nazi-Soci, The Aryan Youth Primer (entry level Hitler Youth manual)... several other real and reproduction 3rd Reich books, pamphlets, leaflets, etc. I have books from Imperial Japan; Czarist Russia; Elizabethan, Georgian and Victorian Britain; books from the Confederacy (both major ones, CSA and Iroquois)... Just because it is in a book doesn't make it true (or real). Stupid is stupid, be it Black Panthers, Aryan Brotherhood (who really need to take a long hard look at themselves, jail birds contribute what exactly to white culture?), Muslim extremists, extreme fundamentalist Christians or Jews... We have new neighbors out here, they fled Memphis after the last 2 election cycles. Blacks and whites who could afford to get out of the war zone (think Mogadishu or Liberia, that's the average Memphis 'hood). |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Pine on 12/06/12 at 13:36:47 3B3A2126293C20480 wrote:
many groups that want to ban guns are, they do not discriminate. They need a total ban as a partial ban would not work within theory of what kills. Didn't you hear about the kids diying from guns found in their own home? |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Starlifter on 12/06/12 at 17:16:48 "many groups that want to ban guns" Pine Who in the hell are all these groups that want to ban guns?? I'm as ultra liberal as they come and I would never give up my guns (too many right-wing lunatic fringe crazies out there). There are about as many "gun banning" groups as there are groups that claim they have been abducted by aliens and taken for a ride in a flying saucer. To think that Obama or any other politician would advocate banning guns is crazy talk, it would be political suicide (if not assassination) for any US govt. entity to do so. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by houstonbofh on 12/06/12 at 23:11:11 4A6D786B75707F6D7C6B190 wrote:
Still in shock that I just agreed with everything you said... :o |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/12 at 05:01:05 NBC’s editing of the 911 audiotape in the Martin case became a public fixation after the media-monitoring Web site NewsBusters.org noted editing oddities on a “Today” show broadcast March 27. Here’s how NBC News portrayed the audiotape: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black. The full tape went like this: Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic? Zimmerman: He looks black. I hope he sues them into Chapter 11...... |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WebsterMark on 12/07/12 at 05:03:41 Who in the hell are all these groups that want to ban guns?? I'm as ultra liberal as they come and I would never give up my guns (too many right-wing lunatic fringe crazies out there). who? well due to redistricting in Missouri, this guy is my Congressman now: Rep. William L. Clay (D-St. Louis, Mo.), said the Brady Bill is "the minimum step" that Congress should take to control handguns. "We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases," Clay said. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by srinath on 12/07/12 at 05:29:58 Anyone who already has guns - I'd say all the guns they want, but I dont think there ever is such a thing, but if guns were very very restricted ... wont the guns you have become more valuable ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 12/07/12 at 07:10:11 Perhaps one of our Canadian contributors can help enlighten us. As we know, handguns are banned in Canada except for target shooting under very controlled conditions. But my question really relates to public attitudes up there. While Canada has no 2nd Amendment, per se, back 150 or so years ago, there was little difference between those in Canada and we in the U.S. when it came to public opinions about virtually anything. We had a common heritage from British colonial days, common language, except for the small part of Canada that speaks French, and a common hertitage of self determination and expression. But in the last 40 or so years, Canada is no longer much like the U.S.; philosophically or politically. What happened up there to change the country so much and the attitudes of its people? If it happened to our close neighbor, why can't the same happen here? The 2nd amendment could be legally repealed, given public support to do so. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by srinath on 12/07/12 at 07:26:01 The shift in canada is due to immigration policy. Canada seems to be filled with eastern europeans, the points based system sorta favors that, and they dont have the right jobs cos they dont have the economy to get anything going right. They have software engineers (a field I know about cos I am in it) driving taxi cabs and other random things just to make a living. That usually isn't happening in the US cos he us has an employment based system. Of course it also is ponderously slow in the US and we have illegals ... canada does too, but they dont know who or how many are illegal ... here, we see mexican, we know illegal, in canada they may be legal ... you never know, so the count of how many there are is unknown. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Paraquat on 12/07/12 at 11:17:06 4C4D56515E4B573F0 wrote:
30 years ago a fully automatic M16 was 250 dollars. Now it's ~20k. It's only going to become more expensive. --Steve |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Starlifter on 12/07/12 at 16:47:36 Canada...well, I live up here among them eh?, it's quite simple...Canadians are more civilized than us...their south is our north...if you get my drift... |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Paraquat on 12/10/12 at 09:23:36 745346554B4E41534255270 wrote:
Senator Dianne Feinstein - the bane of my existence. Then President Clinton passed the AW Sunset ban in 1994. Obama's gun ban list: http://www.republicmagazine.com/news/just-released-obamas-gun-ban-list.html 2009 too old? How about last August: http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/08/white-house-confirms-obama-wants-to-ban-guns/ In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea . . . . Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation. Charles Krauthammer (columnist), Disarm the Citizenry. But Not Yet, Washington Post, Apr. 5, 1996 (boldface added). * * * We're going to have to take one step at a time, and the first step is necessarily -- given the political realities -- going to be very modest. . . . [W]e'll have to start working again to strengthen that law, and then again to strengthen the next law, and maybe again and again. Right now, though, we'd be satisfied not with half a loaf but with a slice. Our ultimate goal -- total control of handguns in the United States -- is going to take time. . . . The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition-except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors-totally illegal. Richard Harris, A Reporter at Large: Handguns, New Yorker, July 26, 1976, at 53, 58 (quoting Pete Shields, founder of Handgun Control, Inc.) (boldface added, italics in original). * * * Rep. William L. Clay (D-St. Louis, Mo.), said the Brady Bill is "the minimum step" that Congress should take to control handguns. "We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases," Clay said. Robert L. Koenig, NRA-Backed Measure May Derail Brady Bill, St. Louis Post Dispatch, May 8, 1993, at 1A (boldface added). * * * [Peter] Jennings: And the effect of the assault rifle ban in Stockton? The price went up, gun stores sold out and police say that fewer than 20 were turned in. Still, some people in Stockton argue you cannot measure the effect that way. They believe there's value in making a statement that the implements of violence are unacceptable in our culture. [Stockton, California] Mayor [Barbara] Fass: I think you have to do it a step at a time and I think that is what the NRA is most concerned about, is that it will happen one very small step at a time, so that by the time people have "woken up" -- quote -- to what's happened, it's gone farther than what they feel the consensus of American citizens would be. But it does have to go one step at a time and the beginning of the banning of semi-assault military weapons, that are military weapons, not "household" weapons, is the first step." ABC News Special, Peter Jennings Reporting: Guns, April 11, 1991, available on LEXIS, NEWS database, SCRIPT file (boldface added). http://www.gunscholar.org/gunban.htm Former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, San Antonio Mayor Henry Cisneros and Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke signed the Communitarian Network's The Case for Domestic Disarmament, which among other thing said: There is little sense in gun registration. What we need to significantly enhance public safety is domestic disarmament . . . . Domestic disarmament entails the removal of arms from private hands . . . . Given the proper political support by the people who oppose the pro-gun lobby, legislation to remove the guns from private hands, acts like the legislation drafted by Senator John Chafee [to ban handguns], can be passed in short order. I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs). . . . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them! Sen. John H. Chafee (R.-R.I.), In View of Handguns' Effects, There's Only One Answer: A Ban, Minneapolis Star Tribune, June 15, 1992, at 13A. Maryland Attorney General J. Joseph Curran is proposing a wide-ranging package of laws that would make the state's gun control regulations among the strictest in the nation and says his ultimate goal is a ban on handguns. Daniel LeDuc, Tough Laws For Guns Proposed In Maryland; Attorney General Says Goal Is Ban, Wash. Post, Oct. 20, 1999, at A01. I now think the only way to control handgun use in this country is to prohibit the guns. And the only way to do that is to change the Constitution. Michael Gartner (then president of NBC News), Glut of Guns: What Can We Do About Them?, USA Today, Jan. 16, 1992, at 9A (boldface added). The [American Academy of Pediatrics] believes handguns, deadly air guns and assault weapons should be banned. American Assocation of Pediatrics, Where We Stand, available at http://www.aap.org/advocacy/wwestand.htm (visited Jan. 21, 1999) (boldface added). I believe you specifically asked what groups? http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Issues_and_Causes/Firearms_Policy/Gun_Control/Organizations/ These groups. I could do this all lunch break. --Steve |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by Paraquat on 12/11/12 at 06:11:36 http://https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/382088_548135088547378_1511653337_n.jpg --Steve |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by mpescatori on 12/13/12 at 05:22:42 1726352636322633470 wrote:
I dunno what's going on... compared to Europe (Mediterranean Europe most of all) you guys have a tremendous amount of crimiality. Maybe it's because we eat wheat and you guys eat a lot of meat (eat your heart out, Gyrobob) Maybe it's because we have more "organized crime" who make sure petty criminals keep a low profile - fewer police on the prowl... Or maybe it's simply because we're different... but it startles the European TV viewer to hear of a shootout at the local mall, we don't even have roadside shootouts among mafia hitmen... :-/ |
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Title: Re: When you squeeze me I make bad people go away Post by WebsterMark on 12/13/12 at 05:38:10 Mpes; i was in japan once for work and having breakfast with my customer. it was the day after another mall shooting in the US, maybe 5 years ago or so, don't remember. Trying to explain how that happens in the US was like a man from Mars trying to explain to me how they live up there. Our worlds are that different. I remember he looked at me ans asked ' you don't have any guns, do you?' My honest answer to him was I wasn't sure how many I had, couldn't remember if I'd given my old .22 back to my brother or not. He was shocked. I swear, he never looked at me the same way again. he'd shot a gun one time in school. Everyone got to shoot a pistol or something, once. Anyway, here's the really funny part. we were having a meeting with NGK, the sparkplug people. They also make the insulators on top of telephone poles. the guy was telling us this is great business because in America, it's repeat business because, I can't rememer what Japanese phrase he used but it was something along the lines of red necks, shoot them with guns. I couldn't stop myself and laughed out loud. you have to picture the scene, big conference room, bunch of older Japanese guys in suits and I bust out. had to admit that yes, I was one of those 'red necks' that kept them in business by shooting an insulator off the top of a pole...... |
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