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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Can ride a Savage on a learners licence /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1353745283 Message started by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:21:23 |
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Title: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:21:23 I found it very interesting today that in New Zealand people on a learners licence can now ride a wide range of motor cycles up to a 650 cc. This has only come into efect this October 1st, Prior to that date it was a 250cc limit. There are alot of 250cc motorcycles out there which are very powerful true, but there are a lot of 650cc which are as well. A maximum power-to-weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne (the power is that specified by the manufacturer and the weight is the weight specified by the manufacturer plus 90kgs for the rider and riding gear); and an upper engine capacity limit of 660cc. are the legal requirements. I am interested to hear peoples thoughts that someone who has never riden a bike before can ride a Savage and a number of other bikes. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:34:27 There are two categories of LAMS motorcycles: LAMS-approved and LAMS-prohibited motorcycles. LAMS-approved motorcycles are determined by two factors: • a maximum power-to-weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne (the power is that specified by the manufacturer and the weight is the weight specified by the manufacturer plus 90kgs for the rider and riding gear); and• an upper engine capacity limit of 660cc.Motorcycles and scooters with an engine capacity of 250cc or under will automatically be LAMS-approved, with the exception of a small group of 250cc motorcycles that will not be LAMS-approved for learner and restricted riders after 1 October 2012 due to their high performance capabilities. Learner or restricted licence holders who rode one of these 250cc motorcycles before 1 October 2012 have the option to apply to the NZTA for an exemption, which may enable them to continue to legally ride this motorcycle.Please noteAny motorcycle modified in a way that increases its power-to-weight ratio is no longer LAMS-compliant, regardless of whether it appears on the list. Failure to comply with the new rules may result in fines and demerit points.For more information go to www.nzta.govt.nz/lamsContents• List of approved motorcycles• List of prohibited motorcycles |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:37:27 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012, the following motorcycles with engine capacities of 250cc and under are prohibited for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-prohibited motorcyle list (250cc or under) Aprilia RS250 Honda NSR250 (all models and variants) Kawasaki KR1250 (all models and variants including KR250 Suzuki RGV250 (all models and variants) Yamaha TZR250 (all models and variants) |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:39:04 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) LAMS-approved motorcycles include:• All motorcycles with engine capacities of 250cc and under, except for those on the LAMS-prohibited list above.• Fully electric powered motorcycles with a power-to-weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne and under (this includes all fully electric powered motorcycles registered on New Zealand's Motor Vehicle Register as of 1 June 2012).• All motorcycles manufactured prior to 1960 with an engine capacity of 660cc and under.• The following list of motorcycles with engine capacities between 251cc and 660cc - these motorcycles must be in standard form as produced by the manufacturer. They cannot be modified in any way to increase the power-to-weight ratio.Please note: The following list currently displays the more current models available in the New Zealand market. It will be updated as other models, both old and new, are approved by the NZ Transport Agency. Please ensure you pay close attention the degree of specification in the list - for example, a Suzuki GSX650FU model is specified in the list, therefore is a LAMS-approved motorcycle. A Suzuki GSX650F is not on the list and is therefore not LAMS-approved. AJS All up to 650cc Aprilia Pegaso 650 Aprilia Scarabeo 300 Aprilia Scarabeo 400 Aprilia Scarabeo 500 Aprilia Sportcity 300 Aprilia SR Max 300 Aprilia Strada 650 Aprilia SXV 450 Ariel All up to 650cc Benelli |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:40:13 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Benelli Tornado S2 642 Benelli Velvet Dusk 383 BMW F650 BMW F650 Funduro BMW F650 GS BMW F650 GS Dakar BMW F650CS BMW F650 ST BMW G 450 X BMW G650 GS BMW G650 Sertao BMW R60 BMW R65 BMW R69 BSA All up to 650cc Cagiva 650 Alazurra Cagiva 650 Elefant Cagiva Canyon 500 Cagiva River 600 Cagiva W16 600 Ducati Ducati 350 Ducati 450 Ducati 400SS Ducati 500SL Pantah |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:40:55 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Ducati 600SL Pantah Ducati 600SS Ducati 620 Monster Lite Ducati 620 Multistrada Lite DucatiMonster 400 Ducati M600 Ducati Monster 659 Enfield Bullet 500 (all ) Enfield Lightning 500 Enfield Military 500 Gilera Fuoco 500 Gilera Nexus 300 Gilera Nexus 500 Harley Davidson SS350 Honda 600V Transalp Honda BROS 399 Honda CB350 Honda CB360 Honda CB400 Honda CB400F Honda CB450 Honda CB500 Honda CB550 Honda CMX450C (Rebel) |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:41:47 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Honda CX500 (Not turbo) Honda NTV650V Deauville HondaDream 305 Honda FT500 Honda FJS600D Silverwing Honda FJS400A Honda GB400 Honda GB500 Honda GL400 Honda NT400 Honda NT650 Revere Honda NX650 Dominator Honda NV400CF & NV400SP Honda RVF400 Honda SH300 Honda SL350 Honda Steed 400 Honda VT400C Honda VT500 Honda VT600C Honda XBR500 Honda XL500 Honda XL600R Honda XL600VH Transalp Honda XL650V Transalp Honda XR350 Honda XR400 Honda XR500R Honda XR600R Husaberg TE300 |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:42:30 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Husaberg FE350 Husaberg FE390 Husaberg FE400 Husaberg FE450 Husaberg FS450E Husaberg FS450 Husaberg FE501E Husaberg FE570 Husaberg FS570 Husaberg FE600E Husaberg FE650E Husaberg FS650C Husaberg FS650E Husqvarna SM450 (H8) Husqvarna WR300 HusqvarnaTE310 Husqvarna TE449 Husqvarna TE511 Hyosung GT650L Hyosung GT650RL Hyosung GV650L Hyosung GV650C Hyosung ST7L Jawa 350 Jawa 634 Road |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:43:27 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Jawa 638 Road Kawasaki A7 Avenger 338 Kawasaki 350 S2 Kawasaki EN400 KawasakiEN450 Kawasaki EN500A & EN500C Kawasaki ER-5 (ER500A & ER500C) Kawasaki ER650FDFW Kawasaki EX300ADF (Ninja 300) Kawasaki EX300BDF (Ninja 300 ABS) Kawasaki EX400CBF Kawasaki EX650FDFW Kawasaki GPZ550 Kawasaki GT 550 Kawasaki KL650 Kawasaki KLE500A & KLE500B Kawasaki KLR600 Kawasaki KLR650 Kawasaki KZ440 Kawasaki LTD440 Kawasaki LX400 Kawasaki VN400 KawasakiW400 Kawasaki ZL400 Eliminator Kawasaki ZR550 Kawasaki Z500 Kawasaki ZR400 G2 (Zepher X) Kawasaki ZZR400 |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:44:07 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) KTM Freeride 350 KTM 300EXC inc 6 Day KTM 300GS KTM 350EXC KTM 350EXC-F inc 6 Day KTM 360EXC KTM 360SX KTM 400GS KTM 400SC KTM 400SX KTM 400TE KTM 400EXC KTM 450EXC inc 6 Day KTM 500EXC inc 6 Day KTM 525EXC Kymco Downtown 300 I Kymco Bug XCITING 498 Laverda 500 Lifan LF400 Matchless Allup to 650cc Moto Guzzi 350GT Moto Guzzi Falcone 498 |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:44:43 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Moto Guzzi V35 Moto Guzzi V40 Moto Guzzi V50 Moto Guzzi V65 Moto Morini 350 Moto Morini 350S Moto Morini 500 MV Agusta 350 Neval MT11 649 Norton All pre 1984 up to 650cc Panther All up to 650cc Peugeot Geopolis 399 Peugeot Satelis 399 Peugeot Satelis 493 Piaggio MP3 300 Piaggio MP3 400 Piaggio X7 300 Piaggio X8 400 |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:45:19 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Piaggio X9 500 Piaggio XEVO 400ie Royal Enfield Bullet (all variants) Royal Enfield Lightning Royal Enfield Taurus 325 Sachs Roadster 650 Suzuki AN650A Burgman Suzuki AN400A Burgman Suzuki DR350 Suzuki DR370 Suzuki DR400 Suzuki DR500 Suzuki DR600R Suzuki DR600S Suzuki DR650 Suzuki DR650SE Suzuki DR-Z400E & DR-Z400S Suzuki GN400 Suzuki GR650 Suzuki GS400 Suzuki GS450 Suzuki GS500 (all variants) Suzuki GS550 Suzuki GSR600U Suzuki GSX400 Suzuki GSX400X |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:46:03 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Suzuki GSX650FU Suzuki GSX-R600U Suzuki GT380 Suzuki GT500 Suzuki GT550 Suzuki Katana 550 Suzuki LS650 Suzuki PE400 Suzuki RE5 497 Suzuki RF400 RV-V Suzuki SFV650U Suzuki SG350 Suzuki Super Motard DR-Z400SM Suzuki SV650SU Suzuki T500 Suzuki TS400 Suzuki VS400 GL Suzuki XF650 SYM CityCom 300i SYM GTS-300 Evo SYM MAXSYM 400 Triumph All pre 1984 up to 650cc Velocette All up to 650cc |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:46:46 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Vespa GTS 300S Vespa GTV 300 Yamaha DT400 Yamaha IT426 Yamaha IT465 Yamaha IT490 Yamaha MX400 Yamaha RT2 Yamaha RT350 Yamaha RD350 pre 1975 Yamaha RD400 Yamaha SR400 Yamaha SR500 Yamaha SRX400 Yamaha SRX600 Yamaha SZR660 Yamaha TT350 Yamaha TT500 Yamaha TT600 (all variants) Yamaha TX650 Yamaha WR400F Yamaha WR450F Yamaha XJ400 Yamaha XJ650R Yamaha XJR400 Yamaha XP500 Yamaha XS400 Yamaha XS650 Yamaha XT350 Yamaha XT500 Yamaha XT550 Yamaha XT600 Yamaha XT660 |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:47:23 Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme (LAMS)From 1 October 2012 the following motorcycles are approved for use by Class 6 learner and restricted licence holders. LAMS-approved motorcycles list (between 251cc and 660cc) Yamaha XTZ660 Yamaha XV400 Yamaha XV500 Yamaha XV535 Yamaha XVS400 Yamaha XVS650 Yamaha XZ400 Yamaha YP400 Majesty |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 00:57:55 Now I imagine that anybody living outside of NZ will find fault at me posting all of this, However I find it interesting that a month ago one needed a full motorcycle licence to ride most of these machines. I am interested to know of licencing laws in other countries and peoples opinion s. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by ToesNose on 11/24/12 at 04:27:53 PaulMarshall I think you gained 100 posts just from this thread! LOL There are quite a few people who have started out using the LS650 as their first bike, it all comes down to the individual. Some people are intimidated by a larger displacement and if you aren't comfortable just thinking about a 650 instead of a 250 just don't do it, frame/peace of mind is a big part of learning to ride for some people. On the opposite side if you are an impulsive over anxious person you would need to dial it back a little on the LS650 to start, as it does have enough torque to get you in trouble if you let the bike ride you instead of the other way around. I believe there are a few states here like California that still only let beginers with a permit &/or first year of operation use bike up to 250cc. I'm sure for alot of beginers this law has saved some broken bones and road rash, but I'm not sure everyone should have to be limited to the size of bikes to start out IE: people who rode motorcross prior and such. ::) |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by Routy on 11/24/12 at 05:17:02 Here in Oregon we can ride anything, provided we ride w/ (seperate bikes) a full licensed rider. This makes a lot more sense to me. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by 360k+ on 11/24/12 at 07:49:12 Geez Paul, I can probably pass the bar exam now! |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by Serowbot on 11/24/12 at 08:01:23 I got a cramp in my scroll finger.... :-?... I had previously thought that a Savage was mild enough mannered for a learner,... but, ... I had a guy come for a test ride on one that I was selling,.. he told me he was a dirt rider years ago, and he still had his DL motorcycle validation.. He got on it in my driveway and instantly shot across the street into my neighbours brick wall... I think 250 and under,.. or 20hp, limit wouldn't be a bad idea for the first 6 months... |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 11/24/12 at 10:38:20 6472657860757863170 wrote:
Yes I would have to agree in todays standards the Savage is mild but back in 1983 when I first got my learners licence this would have been a beast, If it existed back then. (well it still is) 8-) My first bike was a Suzuki GT250 twin 2 stroke, 1975 i think. And that was plenty big enough to learn on. I must admit the open road speed limit was 80km back then. :( |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by 360k+ on 11/24/12 at 11:07:21 74657168696576776C656868040 wrote:
That GT250 would be scarier than the Savage because of the power band. Those were fast little buggers with a set of chambers. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by Jack_650 on 11/24/12 at 23:29:56 Guess I should have checked, but her in the U. S. of A, Minnesota at least, we can ride pretty much anything on a learners with stipulations. Helmet, no passenger, no freeway (interstate), no night time. And you can keep renewing the permit forever. It's only a written exam. Seemed pretty lax to me where safety is concerned but it did allow me to get comfortable on a bike before I took the classes. Best money ever spent and you get your endorsement test at the end of the class. But now I guess I'll have to go check for sure to see if there are actually displacement restrictions. Curiosity is a time consuming thing. Jack |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by Cavie on 11/25/12 at 15:05:03 I think you missed one. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by Tiktok423 on 07/22/13 at 18:48:48 Im from New Zealand and just got my learners a couple months ago, got my first ever bike which is a s40 2005 and I thought the 650 would be too much power for someone who has never riden apart from a friends 125 farm bike 20+ years ago, but its not too much power for me personally, i wish i had a couple more horses to boost past some of these crazy mo fos in cars. im 34 so not really young and dumb, but its easy to be reckless on a bike for a beginner. im stoked its 650 and not 250 because im 125kgs and would imagine id struggle to travel 70+ kilometers every day on a 250. :) |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by jcstokes on 07/22/13 at 21:57:23 Paul, you must remember an open slather system existed in New Zealand from the time we first got motorcycles in 1900 or something. To the best of my recollection, the under 250cc system was introduced in the 1990's to stop fifteen year olds and people with no experience buying large and or powerful bikes and killing themselves within a few days. The flaw in the system was that any 250 could be brought, even those street legal race machines. I believe a 650 limit does apply to new riders, who could, if they wish ride most if not all up to 650 pre 1981 vintage or classic bikes. I think the current system is much fairer. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by paulmarshall on 07/22/13 at 22:43:03 555C4C4B50545A4C3F0 wrote:
Yes you have a valid point. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by Jolly Executioner on 07/22/13 at 23:18:26 I can go for my restricted now and started out on an old xv250 when the 250 limit still applied. It was an okay bike but darn I would have been sick of riding a 250 right up to my full. I have an 05 s40 now and I'd be lost without it, unsure if it'd technically still be legal as it is but what would the cops know. :-X I suppose biggest issue would be insurance. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by jcstokes on 07/23/13 at 02:07:56 Executioner you will probably be ok, provided the bike can get a NZ WOF, safety inspection to others, and of course is registered. Third party property insurance is cheap in this country, but if you are nineteen and want comprehensive insurance, look out. Hope you aren't riding without the WOF and rego stickers. |
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Title: Re: Can ride a Savage on a learners licence Post by Jolly Executioner on 07/23/13 at 22:52:18 Yeah insurance on the virago was very cheap premiums but a $900 excess. I was wondering if the current mods on my ls650 (which probably change the power to weight ratio) would void the insurance. |
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