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Message started by LostArtist on 11/15/12 at 18:34:18

Title: When are the republicans going to stop whining??
Post by LostArtist on 11/15/12 at 18:34:18

is that even possible??

they blame the "entitlement" mentality for them losing, they blame voter fraud, they blame racist black america, they seem to blame everyone else for their failure to convey their message clearly without being insulting, the need to leave Frank Luntz and his communication consulting behind. they need to learn how to talk nice to people again, leave the "I told you so" attitude behind and hike up their pants and get on with it.

I'm not saying they have to change their message or their ideals, but they have change how they talk about it, if they can quit being a$$holes about it

the "entitlement" culture fox news keeps harping on, truts me, most of that 47% don't want to be on entitlements, they need to put that horse to rest

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/12 at 18:35:58

IIRC, the dims cried out loud for YEARS,...still blaming,,look what he "inherited" This time.,,

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by LostArtist on 11/15/12 at 19:09:30

5B444245585F6E5E6E56444803310 wrote:

IIRC, the dims cried out loud for YEARS,...still blaming,,look what he "inherited" This time.,,

probably true, I was less aware of politics then, most of the dems then were whining about the wars though, not sure politicizing war is any better though

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/15/12 at 19:19:08

most of the dems then were whining about the wars though,

Yep,, & they got REAL quiet when Bammy got in,

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Starlifter on 11/15/12 at 20:54:22

Maybe they got REAL quiet when Bammy got in down your way, but in my circle we won't quit until the last soldier is the hell out of these foreign wars for profit.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Midnightrider on 11/15/12 at 21:24:04

99% of em dont like having to share the same bathroom with colored people.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Serowbot on 11/15/12 at 21:43:51

I'm not prejudiced,... I don't like sharing the bathroom with anybody....
... shy bladder... :-?...

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Arizuno on 11/15/12 at 22:05:41

NO ONE feels more more entitled than the 1% and their less fortunate but gullible minions. The whining will stop when it sinks in that, Citizens United notwithstanding, they can't buy everything. Don't hold your breath.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Serowbot on 11/15/12 at 22:31:15

When will they realise,... it's just that they aren't conservative enough?...
I say,... double-down guys,... show the people that you won't be bullied by reality...
... and thanks for all the fish... :-?...

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/12 at 05:24:07

Maybe peace would have broken out with a different kind of White House, one less committed to waging a perpetual campaign--a White House that would see a 51-48 victory as a call to humility and compromise rather than an irrefutable mandate

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by srinath on 11/16/12 at 08:02:19

586A6D7C7B6A7D426E7D640F0 wrote:

Thanks webster, finally agreeing with what Obama is doing, I knew you'd come around ...
Now if only you and your rich CEO friends will agree to pay just about as much in taxes as the working class stiff like me do, we can pretty much sit down to dinner ...
My invitation to meet you still stands BTW, and I am pretty much stationary, I dont go out of charlotte NC. So when you're in this area ...
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by srinath on 11/16/12 at 08:17:03

7142594A455E5F300 wrote:

That is true ... the proof - if you saw the interview the CEO of BP gave after the oil rig burnt and killed 9 people and was gushing millions of barrels into the altalntic ... "Yes I would like the last 3 months of my life back" ... No you worthless fool, we'd like to have your head on a freaking platter ...

And Anytime you hear the CEO of Goldman Sachs talk, you would hear atleast 1 reference to "gods work" ... and that after they helped greece hide their debt and financial problems before the euro zone formation.
Once again, not gods work, if someone were to put a bullet in your head, I'd be tempted to call him as doing gods work ... though he better come aremed with a lot of bullets, cos I am sure there are several vultures that will instantly and seamlessly take your place.

Needless to say the fact that these 2 are still roaming the earth free means we are really short of good assasins. Anyone care to apply ... Its not a hard job, just wait and pull a little trigger ...

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Arizuno on 11/16/12 at 09:37:26

556760717667704F637069020 wrote:

Peace would've had a better chance of breaking out had the GOP not made its primary goal, its #1 mission, to destroy the president. His treatment at their hands has no precedent in American history. Oh, and W. thought he had a "mandate" with a much slimmer margin.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/12 at 09:49:50

His treatment at their hands has no precedent in American history.

You’ve got to be kidding, right?

First off, the goal of the opposition is to ALWAYS have a one term presidency for the opposition, always. To say otherwise is delusional.

Secondly, no President and I mean no President was attacked mercilessly more than Bush. It’s not even close.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Serowbot on 11/16/12 at 09:51:45

6B595E4F48594E715D4E573C0 wrote:

Secondly, no President and I mean no President was attacked mercilessly more than Bush. It’s not even close.

When are the republicans going to stop whining?...
Not yet... :-?...

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/12 at 09:55:40

I'm not whining; i'm just pointing out reality. There is no way to argue that point, obama got a pass compared to Bush. that's history now, doesn't matter going forward. I just wouldn't want you guys to get by with re-writing too much history...

As far as whining about the election, I'm not. You won the election by promising to give away more stuff taken from others who earned it. Pretty simple formula. It worked for you, congrats. Now you own the fallout.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Arizuno on 11/16/12 at 10:28:16

172522333425320D21322B400 wrote:

His treatment at their hands has no precedent in American history.

You’ve got to be kidding, right?

First off, the goal of the opposition is to ALWAYS have a one term presidency for the opposition, always. To say otherwise is delusional.
Secondly, no President and I mean no President was attacked mercilessly more than Bush. It’s not even close.

My bad. I should just agree that Obama is a foriegn-born Kenyan Muslim commie nazi who's secretly planning to take away everybody's guns in furtherance of his Gay Agenda. I should accept Doanal Trump for the true, selfless patriot that he is, And in any case, we need to get the white back in the White House. Yep, Obama's presidency has been a cake walk.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/16/12 at 10:37:20

We're not whining as much as figuring out why we lost. Wrong candidate? Ineffective message? Ineffective communication? Voters who stayed home? Wrong VP candidate? All questions that the losing party always asks.

As I recall, the same thing that the Dems did after Kerry lost. You guys take this stuff too seriously - politics is a game, but one with significant consequences. Bammy won fair and square, and for that, he's to be congratulated. Campaigns are getting more negative every election, but those are the evolving rules of this game.

What I see happening is that primaries are getting more hotly contested, which makes for two negatives for any challenger who wins out in the primaries - he has to spend a boat load of money to win the primary that the incumbent doesn't spend and can save for the general election campaign; and the winner of the primary emerges bruised by all of the negatives that he gets thrown at him by the others in the primary. Again, the incumbent avoids that.

In 2016, when there will be no incumbent, both parties will have to go thru the primary process, and the playing field of our game of politics will be more even.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/16/12 at 10:37:47

if 10 times what you just said was heeped on Bush in just one day, it would have been a break from the norm.

the american media handled him with kid gloves and continue to do so.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Starlifter on 11/16/12 at 11:08:08

"if 10 times what you just said was heeped on Bush in just one day, it would have been a break from the norm.

the american media handled him with kid gloves and continue to do so."wm

"No President and I mean NO President was attacked mercilessly more than Bush. It’s not even close."WM

;D ;D ;D

Well if Obama had started a war for profit against a country that had done us no harm.
And if Obama and his minions had stood up in front of the American people and lied us into that war with bullsh!t about WMD's and mushroom clouds.
And if Obama had caused the deaths of over 4000 US soldiers in that war and killed over 100 000 civilians in said country including women, children, babies, fetuses, embryos, zygotes, eggs etc.
And if Obame had driven the US into total financial ruin by borrowing trillions for his wars.
And if Obama had let 9/11 happen on his watch killing over 3000 Americans and costing billions more in damages.
And if Obama had played kissy face with the Saudi royal family when he knew the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and then flew the BinLaden family out of the US after the massacre when all other flights were grounded.
And if Obama had landed on an aircraft carrier that was waiting for him for two days 3 miles off shore, in a flight suit, swaggering his way to a banner 100 hundred feet wide reading "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" to lie about his war being over.
And if Obama had swaggered and smirked his way through his presidency saying God tells him what to do, and God chose him for the presidentcy.
And if Obama had drank and snorted coke for eight years.

Tired of listing...so to continue:

Here is a partial list of W's accomplishments IN JUST HIS FIRST YEAR!

<SNIP>

George W. Bush's FIRST Year In Office (List of 77 Accomplishments*).

In George W. Bush's first year in office he:

1. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.
2. Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.
3. Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.
4. Cut funding for research into renewable energy sources by 50%.
5. Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.

6. Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would readily fire-up his Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.
7. Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel Islands and the coral reefs of northwest Hawaii (please see San Francisco Chronicle, April 6, 2001).
8. Cut funding for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks by 28%
9. Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws.
10. Approved the sending of letters by Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to state officials soliciting suggestions for opening up national monuments for oil and gas drilling, coal mining, and foresting.

11. Appointed John Negroponte -- an unindicted high-level Iran Contra figure to the post of United Nations Ambassador.
12. Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rainforest conservation.
13. Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of care for people without insurance.
14. Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.
15. Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on public lands.

16. Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing.
17. Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters.
18. Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement. 19. Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.
20. Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.

21. Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work.
22. Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).
23. Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.
24. Appointed Otto Reich -- an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure -- to Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs.
25. Cut the budget of the Environmental Protection Agency by $500 million.

26. Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.
27. Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps.
28. Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety.
29. Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming.
30. Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds.

31. Closed the White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.
32. Nominated David Lauriski -- an ex-mining company executive --- to post of Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.
33. Approved a controversial plan by Interior Secretary Gale Norton to auction oil and gas development tracts off the coast of eastern Florida.
34. Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling.
35. Proposes to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling "outside" of national monuments.

36. Gutted the White House AIDS Office.
37. Renegotiated a free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate workers's rights and safeguards for the environment.
38. Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary appointments.
39. Appointed recycling foe Lynn Scarlett as Undersecretary of the Interior.
40. Took steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

41. Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program.
42. Allowed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to shelve citizen-led grizzly bear re-introduction plan scheduled for Idaho and Montana wilderness.
43. Continues to hold up federal funding for stem cell research projects.
44. Makes sure convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can.
45. Refused to fund continued cleanup of uranium-slag heap in Utah.

46. Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit.
47. Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, 43% of which will go to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.
48. Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills.
49. Appointed a Vice President quoted as saying "If you want to do something about carbon dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants." (Meet the Press.")
50. Appointed Diana Roth to the Council of Economic Advisers. ("There is no gender gap in pay", Boston Globe, March 28, 2001.)

51. Appointed Kay Cole James, an opponent of affirmative action, to direct the Office of Personnel Management.
52. Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect.
53. Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get credit cards.
54. Proposed elimination of the "Reading is Fundamental" program that gives free books to poor children.
55. Is pushing for development of small nuclear arms to attack deeply buried targets and weapons. This would violate the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

56. Proposes to nominate Jeffrey Sutton, the attorney responsible for a recent case weakening the Americans with Disabilities Act, to federal appeals court judgeship.
57. Proposes to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building.
58. Eliminated funding for the "We the People" education program which taught school children about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and citizenship.
59. Appointed John Bolton, who opposes nonproliferation treaties and the UN, to Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.
60. Nominated Linda Fisher, an executive with Monsanto, for the number-two job at the Environmental Protection Agency.

61. Nominated Michael McConnell, leading critic of the separation of church and state, to a federal judgeship.
62. Nominated Terrence Boyle, an ardent opponent of civil rights, to a federal judgeship.
63. Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars.
64. Nominated Harvey Pitts, a lawyer for a teen sex video distributor, to head SEC.
65. Nominated John Walters, a strong opponent of prison drug treatment programs, to be Drug Tsar. (Washington Post, May 16, 2001.)

66. Nominated J. Steven Giles, an oil and coal lobbyist, for Deputy Secretary of the Interior.
67. Nominated Bennett Raley, who advocates repealing the Endangered Species Act, for Assistant Secretary for Water and Science
68. Is seeking the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the US against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII.
69. Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular equivalents.
70. Reduced the Low Income Home Assistance Program by 40%; it aided low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills.

71. Nominated Ted Olson, who has repeatedly lied about his involvement with the Scaiffe-funded "Arkansas Project" to bring down Bill Clinton, for Solicitor General.
72. Nominated Terrance Boyle, a foe of civil rights, to a federal judgeship.
73. Proposes to ease permit process, including environmental considerations, for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction. (Washington Post, May 18, 2001.)
74. Proposes to give government the authority to take private property through eminent domain for power lines.
75. Proposes that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve.
76. Plans on serving genetically engineered foods at all official government functions.
77. Forced out Forest Service chief Mike Dombeck and appointed a timber industry lobbyist.
78. Allowed the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 to take place through personal inaction and unwarranted tinkering with our nation's intelligence apparatus.

WHY THEN, HE WOULD MERIT THE DISRESPECT THAT "W" EARNED.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by srinath on 11/16/12 at 11:25:09

714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:

But the democrats didn't say "make him a 1 term president" or the other wonderful Lindsay Graham I think who said - "Come november the republicans are going to be like @ conjugal visit time at the state penitentiary" - To have sex with a convict ??? Yea I think so ...

714344555243546B47544D260 wrote:

Secondly, no President and I mean no President was attacked mercilessly more than Bush. It’s not even close.

And I'd easily make the case that ... no one deserved it more than the bushies baby ... Not only was he a moron and let his VP - Devil Cheney run the country, he also gave massive tax breaks to his cronies - TX oil companies, gave out massive handout's to the wealthy and super wealthy, pumped up the housing bubble cos well, he didn't want to run for re election in a down economy, as well as invade 2 countries under false pretenses without an exit strategy.

Yes if you are a moron, some people are going to point it out.

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Serowbot on 11/16/12 at 11:59:19

707F7379727F74787F687D7F681A0 wrote:

None of the superficial stuff...
Look at the the policies and behavior over the last 4 years...
Lots of talk about the economy and jobs,... but no action... 100's of legislative attempts to ban abortion, at the federal and state levels...
Holding their breath 'till they turn blue, to fight against any legislation to create jobs,.. in the hope of ruining Obama's 1st term, and preventing a second one...
Work for the people,.. not the party... ;)...

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Arizuno on 11/16/12 at 13:15:36

And FWIW, Haley Barbour, hardily a spokesman for the left, has suggested that the GOP would benefit from a proctological exam. Just sayin'...

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Jerry Eichenberger on 11/16/12 at 13:22:27

Yeah, I agree. We've got to get more inclusive. Intelligent people come in all sizes, genders, ages and races. We've got to get them into the GOP fold.

My father said it best when, as a lifelong Democrat, he switched to the GOP in 1960. He said the Dems had always been the party of the working man, but had become the party of the non-working man. He saw it even back then, and it's only progressively gotten more so since.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by LostArtist on 11/16/12 at 14:08:18

49464A404B464D414651444651230 wrote:

Romney did better than McCain, I woulda voted for Romney if I was in a swing state, as it was I was free to give my vote to Gary Johnson.

it comes down to are there more hard core conservatives that couldn't vote for "liberal" Romney or more moderates like me, idk

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by LostArtist on 11/16/12 at 14:17:43

this is also telling:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/viewers-ought-to-be-outraged-pollster-frank-luntz-explains-where-republicans-failed-in-2012/

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Arizuno on 11/16/12 at 14:34:55

Anyone who believes the GOP is the working man's party probably embraces Marie Antionett's dietary suggestions. Tired, inaccurate bromides villifying half the population won't bring us to a worthwhile exchange of ideas.

The GOP has become the province of hatred,racism, bigotry, mysoginy, etc., etc., lead by Tea Baggers, Faux News, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc., etc.. People IN THE GOP now acknowledge this. It is to be hoped that such wiser heads will prevail, allowing us all to engage in meaningful dialogue. Failing that, the GOP will continue to be further marginalized by its own shortsighted intransigence, and the country will suffer for want of potentially desirable input.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Starlifter on 11/16/12 at 20:03:09

Spot on Arizuno.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Starlifter on 11/16/12 at 21:35:19

"You won the election by promising to give away more stuff taken from others who earned it. Pretty simple formula."WM

Not so simple. The repubs promised to give a whole lot of "stuff" " to their entities who supported them e.g. millionaires and billionaires in the form of huge tax cuts, the resending of the clean air regulations, union busting, no healthcare, pensions or benefits to pay out to their employees...Talk about taking stuff away from those who earned it and giving it away to greed mongers and other slugs who plunder the system.

Why all the "Free Stuff" Bullsh!t? Because the 1% Needs to Pay Back the SS Trust Fund...You see, Reagan and Greenspan (and later Bush II) used the $3 Trillion SS Trust Fund to justify Tax Cuts for the Rich.

If you really want to stop people from getting "free stuff," how about we cut down on welfare to the military-industrial complex, oil companies and drug corporations who don't need it? Those are the real looters and moochers feeding off the government.

And now that us Baby Boomers are about to retire and start redeeming said trust fund, well, the cupboard is bare. So where do we get the money to redeem that $3 trillion stolen.

And THAT's why the 1% are scared sh!tless and screaming "They Want Free Stuff!". We worked hard to build that Trust Fund. We want the money the wealthy got in undeserved tax breaks back. There ought to be a SS Trust Fund Abuse Prevention Act.

I'm sick of these sociopathic projections of the shiftless rich who have been getting free stuff for over 30 years now at the expense of working people.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Midnightrider on 11/16/12 at 22:10:40

All Romney had to do was to promise the country he would do for it what he did for Mass. I honestly believe he was a good govenor. He might have gotten my vote. What or who made him do a 180. Who made him choose Ryan, a despicable running mate? My buddy JOG's conspiracy theories get more believable every day.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by srinath on 11/17/12 at 04:36:35

Y'know the GOp is looking for a candidate to field in 2016 who is the opposite of what Romney was.
You know who the front runner is ... Romney. ;D

Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Drifter on 11/17/12 at 04:40:10

+1 Starlifter, soooo many seem to forget how great bush really was! :-?

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by 360k+ on 11/17/12 at 11:52:09

I'm Independent, but lean toward Starlifter on many of these issues. I would suggest OB consider him as the "Director of Splainin". I am a bonafide, registered, free thinking Independent and have been for over 30 years. That means two things... A) I think, and B) I don't vote party (but alas, I repeat myself). I vote for people and issues that make sense for the people (remember us?), regardless of party affiliations. I believe that many of our problems could be resolved, and solved quickly, if both parties would quit bickering over their egotistical BS points, and either work together in earnest, or get THE FORK OUTTA THE WAY! In particular, however, after this last election, the Rebups had better wake up because the old NeoCon policies are just not acceptable anymore. In that, their evolution is inevitable and automatic; they can choose to rethink who & what they represent, or fizzle into obscurity.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/17/12 at 13:19:55

I'm Independent, but lean toward Starlifter on many of these issues

sorry, but anyone who says they are independent but lean towards Star are anything but independent.

I think. I would dare say i know as much or more about the issues as anyone on here.

I believe that many of our problems could be resolved, and solved quickly, if both parties would quit bickering over their egotistical BS points, and either work together in earnest

Really? What does that mean? Pick a topic; any topic. You tell me what you're going to concede as a liberal instead of the idea conservatives always have to concede ground. You tell me what you'll concede on obamacare to gain conservative support. You tell me what ground you'll concede on abortion. Here’s one, can't you concede on not forcing religious institutions to provide abortion pills? Can't you concede at least that little bit of ground?

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Starlifter on 11/17/12 at 17:42:03

"You tell me what you're going to concede as a liberal instead of the idea conservatives always have to concede ground."

Obama caved in maybe 200 times in his first term trying to accommodate Republican obstructionists. We should concede NOTHING to these anti-American greed mongers in this second term.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by 360k+ on 11/17/12 at 19:40:05

487A7D6C6B7A6D527E6D741F0 wrote:

Voting... When I say "lean", I'm not sure I understand your argument? I'm not saying Starlifter influenced my vote beforehand. I mean we were in agreement on many issues after the fact. Lets say you and I vote on a dozen issues, and afterward it turns out that in 8 of my votes we were in agreement with yours. I could honestly say I voted independently, but lean toward you, even tho I didn't care or even know how you voted. Is that a concept you can grasp?

On the big problem solutions... Do you not think problems could be more easily resolved if the manner were not better orchestrated by congressional members acting like adults? To me, the two parties trying to scratch each others eyes out does not seem to be the most optimal platform for arriving at equitable solutions. However, that is only my opinion and I'm willing to hear arguments? I can only offer that I have been married for 35 years to the same woman. Trust me, in that time I've learned a few things about negotiation and compromise.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/17/12 at 19:47:29

Still watching the puppet show,, look behind the curtain.

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by Serowbot on 11/17/12 at 22:45:10

Here's the thing...
If the left is here... and the right is there...
...then the right runs ten steps further right...
Does that move the middle?...
What if we move 12 steps left?...

1st world nations,... are now left of the U.S....
Democrats would be conservative in most of the leading nations...
Conservatives are just a little left of the Inquisition...
So where's the middle?...
Is it between the two?,... or is it at the point of sensible compromise between the makers and the takers...

Trick question... makers and takers...
Rep's would see Romoney as a maker,... and the people that worked in the companies he bought and sold,.. as takers...
.. but, what did Romoney ever make?... He just used used his and others money to to buy and sell the work of others...
Dem's would see the makers as those who work hard and create something a the end of the day... and the takers, as those that buy and sell the value of the labour of others...

The question is,.. who are the makers?... and who are the takers?...
:-?...

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/18/12 at 05:40:03

On the big problem solutions... Do you not think problems could be more easily resolved if the manner were not better orchestrated by congressional members acting like adults? To me, the two parties trying to scratch each others eyes out does not seem to be the most optimal platform for arriving at equitable solutions. However, that is only my opinion and I'm willing to hear arguments? I can only offer that I have been married for 35 years to the same woman. Trust me, in that time I've learned a few things about negotiation and compromise.

A fair answer 360 and I apologize for being gruff. My patience is thin these days.

Personally, two parties trying to scratch eyes out IS the optimal platform. Change should be brutal, slow, painful, full blood and tears. Otherwise, fads and false arguments push us to far to one side or the other. I need the awful liberals as much as they need me, the awful conservative.

I’ll restate my question; why couldn’t the dems give on forcing a religious institution that’s been around 10 times longer than this nation in forcing them to pay for birth control and abortion pills, something that’s abhorrent to their point of view?

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/18/12 at 05:43:25

Sew:
Here's the thing...
If the left is here... and the right is there...
...then the right runs ten steps further right...
Does that move the middle?...
What if we move 12 steps left?...

I don’t see where the right moved? What did we ‘move right on’?

The left on the other hand, is forcing marriage law changes, forcing government healthcare, forcing the Catholic Church to pay for abortion pills and on and on and on. So, isn’t it more accurate to say the left has moved 10 steps?... Where did the right move?

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by WebsterMark on 11/18/12 at 06:07:19

Trick question... makers and takers...
Rep's would see Romoney as a maker,... and the people that worked in the companies he bought and sold,.. as takers...
.. but, what did Romoney ever make?... He just used used his and others money to to buy and sell the work of others...
Dem's would see the makers as those who work hard and create something a the end of the day... and the takers, as those that buy and sell the value of the labour of others...

The question is,.. who are the makers?... and who are the takers?...

Good question and here’s the answer. ‘Makers’ make things because of the drive provided by ‘takers’ and not the other way around. It’s far harder and more rare to be a ‘maker’ than a ‘taker’. There are 30 NFL starting quarterbacks and they make a fortune each. (they also make a fortune for their owners as well as help pay the salary of thousands of others). There are a few more people in the world capable of doing that job, but not many. Remove the takers from the system, punish the takers, malign the takers and it’s the makers who suffer.

Tomorrow I will be at one of the largest beef slaughter-processing plants in the country. 3000 workers, up to 7200 cattle processed per day. I’ve never met the plant manager, but keeping that process flowing is a skill very few people have. If the man makes a million dollars a year, it’s worth it. You couldn’t do his job, I couldn’t do his job, very very few people could. But, he could walk out on the line and do any of those jobs in a short period of time, but that equation doesn’t work the other way. My boss could do my job (he did), but I could not do his job. Maybe someday I will learn what I need to and if I do, I’ll move up and earn more. If time proves out I cannot do what he does, I miss out. I do not think that’s unfair; do you?

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/18/12 at 07:03:21

I dont have a problem with that, but when some schmuck gets million or even billions & the company fails & he leaves with his golden parachute while everyone whose jobs he destroyed suffers, thats wrong.,

Title: Re: When are the republicans going to stop whining
Post by srinath on 11/18/12 at 13:27:42

2E3137302D2A1B2B1B23313D76440 wrote:

Wrong ... wrong ? under JOG and the toothless Obama administration diluted by the repugs this was the norm ... yea they caught that Rajarathnam, but all the rest of the crooks walked away ...

Cool.
Srinath.