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Message started by Serowbot on 11/12/12 at 23:20:20

Title: Malala...
Post by Serowbot on 11/12/12 at 23:20:20

This little girl from Pakistan...
It just breaks your heart...
She's spurring a revolution in Pakistan...

Wishing her the best in her health and her cause...
So sad that it takes such tragedy to spur change...

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by mpescatori on 11/13/12 at 03:09:42

True.

It happened a month ago.

Why is this coming to your news only now ?

Are you sure you're getting the complete picture, not just two or three pieces of jigsaw ?

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by Serowbot on 11/13/12 at 06:17:43

;D... I'm slow?...

Na,.. we've seen the story unfold here... bickering over election politics have distracted from bringing it up...
The most recent images of her recovery and the young people of Pakistan holding vigils and protests moved me to bring it up...
Beyond the impact of the young lady's bravery and her growing following in Pakistan,.. this could be good for the world...
I hope it's being covered by Middle Eastern countries as positively as it is in the west...

As a political side jab,... I would point out that her excellent medical treatment is coming from a European health system...
;)...

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by 360k+ on 11/13/12 at 07:54:34

584550465654415A475C350 wrote:

Are you sure you're getting the complete picture, not just two or three pieces of jigsaw ?

Ha!!! Do we ever? We get what the machine gives us based on whatever slant they are trying to sway us towards.

Quote:

As a political side jab,... I would point out that her excellent medical treatment is coming from a European health system...

It would be FAR too expensive here, even tho "we have the best health care in the world" according to Speaker Boner.

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by srinath on 11/13/12 at 10:39:43

Pakisthan is a country that should not even exist.
A true failed state if ever there was one.

Pakisthan exists today only because of the US aid and the US "helping" them due to the war on terror.

Pakisthan created Al Qaida and harbored Bin Laden.

Anyway Pakisthan will soon cease to exist in the form we know it now. It will be a 100 fractious provinces ... or the best thing for it, be annexed by India, though then we will just be bringing it into a different conflict.

Whatever it is. the US needs to not push it one way or another. On the street pakisthani's want to be like India, they identify themselves with India. The govt, hell no.

Cool.
srinath.

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by Starlifter on 11/13/12 at 17:44:32

Packastan is not really a country as we know it. The name of the country Pakistan is actually an acronym.

<snip>

Prior to 1947, the country now known as Pakistan was a British colony. In 1947 the United Kingdom granted independence to the region under a new name, Pakistan. The name had been developed by a group of students at Cambridge University who issued a pamphlet in 1933 called Now or Never. They came up with the term "Pakistan" as "composed of letters taken from the names of our homelands: that is, Punjab, Afghania [North-West Frontier Province], Kashmir, Iran, Sindh, Tukharistan, Afghanistan, and Balochistan. It means the land of the Paks, the spiritually pure and clean."

Although the suffix "stan" means country in Hindi and Persian, the students were able to fit the names of homelands to create an appropriate country name.

<end of snip>

The country is essentially ungovernable due to the multitude of Pashtun tribesmen, and other tribes and groups, war lords, religious nuts e.g. the Talaban, Al Qaida etc. Add to that their hatred of India, and add to that fact. They Have The Bomb.

IMHO Pakistan is a much bigger threat than Iran.

I used to occasionally fly into Karachi. The gulf between the haves and the have nots is disturbing to say the least.

I would ask Srinath, to give me his take on the root cause for such animosity between India and Pakistan? Is it territorial in nature?

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by srinath on 11/13/12 at 19:03:09

Pakisthan and India have fought many wars over various territory, Kashmir and rajasthan. However when Indians visit Pakisthan and vice versa they are treated quite well by the hosts.
In the US paki's and Injuns get along fine, almost better than some Indian states denizens get along with each other.
Pakistan is very fragmented and is essentially un governable. Pakisthan founded and funded Al Qaida to fight India not to fight against the USSR or the US. It just grew out of its cage so to speak.

India has a lot of langauges and cultures, however there is no large scale attempt to undermine one over the other.

India and pakisthan are nowadays not fighting over anything, 9/11 basically had the US in Pakisthan effectively making pakistan focus on afghanistan and stop the aggression on the eastern border with india.
Pak and afghanistan are tied in culture and religion and tribal allegiances. Pakistan is dismayed that they are undermining their own by fighting afghanistan.

Anyway that is my take on it. However the animosity was over territory. Pakisthan can not believe that Muslims will want to live in a Hindu dominated society in India. The Muslims that have checked pakisthan do not want to live there.
Cool.
Srinath.

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by Starlifter on 11/13/12 at 20:07:51

Interesting, thank you for the information.

Title: Re: Malala...
Post by Pine on 11/14/12 at 07:09:33

What little I read (a few months ago) and from discussions with an Indian co-worker, left me with this:

Pakistan was once part of india, over the generations that area had been successfully invaded by muslim neighbors, thuseven though the invaders had been tossed back out, the culture had been set. When Britain pulled out, to appease that area they spun them off more or less based on this cultural difference.

While we sit back and marvel at how basically a part of india could be so hateful/distrustful of what was essentially another part of the same country ... we have only to look at past USA history to see the exact same thing... ie the Civil War and bloodshed it caused, and the flames that exist unto this day.. in this forum.