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Title: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by LostArtist on 11/12/12 at 18:27:56 http://powersports.honda.com/ they have 3 500cc models, I like the cb500f http://www.motorbeam.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-Honda-CB500F-India.jpg |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Serowbot on 11/12/12 at 18:36:12 New Gold Wing is F.U.G.L.Y. !... :-?... http://powersports.honda.com/images/nextgeneration/bikes/Gold-Wing-01-1200x716.jpg |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by 360k+ on 11/12/12 at 19:26:12 I'm tempted to say that GW is bizarre! In all honesty tho, sometimes I will say that and my son (28) will respond with "are you kidding Dad, that is so cool". It makes me wonder if I am out of touch... ummm, kinda like my Dad was? We still agree tho, that a "Cobra style" 1950 Mercury is badassed - oh yeah! |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/12 at 20:03:30 http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Cobra1.jpg YOu mean like this? That was some styling back then,, |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by ToesNose on 11/13/12 at 04:22:19 Yea that is a beautiful clean looking car, I'd take the 11 MPG any day cruising in that ;D That CB500f is pretty cool LostArtist, reminds me of an 80's Honda retro tweeked to modern. 8-) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by EJID on 11/13/12 at 08:47:35 That reminds me an awful lot of the Victory Vision... http://www.motorcycle.com/gallery/video.php/d/138165-3/2009_Victory_Motorcycles_VVisionStreet_lifestyle3.jpg |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by verslagen1 on 11/13/12 at 08:55:41 454A4944000 wrote:
+1, obvious another rip off of an american product. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Serowbot on 11/13/12 at 08:55:41 Current styling trends are going to very angular lines... They're starting to look like 80's bikes... Yuck.... Roundiness rules... :)... I want that old Merc,... slap me a 3 banger Metro motor in it... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Pine on 11/13/12 at 09:57:06 Are you kidding... the new CB1100 .... sexy!!!! now thats a motorbike |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by ToesNose on 11/13/12 at 11:32:05 Serowbot I think you would need a very steep downhill driveway or a huge slingshot to get that barge moving with a metro 3 banger ;D |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/13/12 at 21:03:01 6B64676A2E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/14/12 at 02:15:55 Can't WAIT to see that new CB500F up close and personal!! If it's anything like the ABS equipped CBR250R demo Bike we have on loan at our local MTP, then Honda is gonna have a trio of winners with their new 500cc line-up! Long over-due in this displacement category if you ask me! |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Cavi Mike on 11/14/12 at 03:32:33 ABS on a 250? You gotta be one horrible rider if you need ABS on a 250. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/14/12 at 06:18:17 TRaction is traction, the lack thereof is dangerous for everyone, small bikes are considered starter bikes by many, 250 could equate to novice,, I maintain the beginner needs the best tools, regardless of the job, the experienced can manage with less. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Charon on 11/14/12 at 19:12:28 I believe ABS and linked brakes should be MANDATORY on all motorcycles and scooters, regardless of displacement. The reason is simple - motorcycles fall down when riders make mistakes and lock wheels. That should not be possible, and the technology exists to prevent it. In particular, when riders panic and stomp the brake pedal, exactly as they do in their cars, the machine should apply full braking power on both wheels, with ABS. If our illustrious Government can mandate electronic stability control on all cars and light trucks (which they have done) they can equally well mandate ABS and combined braking on motorcycles. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by 360k+ on 11/14/12 at 19:15:45 0B20293A2726480 wrote:
There is also a downside to ABS (besides cost), can you guess what it is? Think about it. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Cavi Mike on 11/14/12 at 19:21:34 Mandatory? What are you, my nanny? If you don't have the skill to control your brakes, you shouldn't be riding. You have no right to force your ineptitude on me and the rest of the world. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Charon on 11/14/12 at 19:33:12 Yes, MANDATORY. Even very accomplished and experienced riders sometimes make mistakes and stomp the rear brake when faced with an emergency stop. That mistake should not cause them to go down. Remember too, if the brakes are used "properly" the ABS will rarely intervene. I can think of at least one or two possible downsides to ABS, besides expense. One, on dirt or gravel, it will sometimes increase stopping distances. Another and more arguable, it will not allow a rider to become "experienced" by finding out what a locked brake feels like. Another, more technical, is that making an ABS work reliably at speeds of walking or slower is quite difficult. Another yet, it cannot react to the forces involved in cornering. Did I miss some? |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Midnightrider on 11/14/12 at 21:05:21 I wish Triumph would build a 500 Twin. The CB500f might be as close as it ever gets. Its taken awhile but maybe they've finally figured out you dont have to have 100 HP to have fun. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Cavi Mike on 11/15/12 at 01:39:54 I can't stand people like you Charon that try to force your beliefs on other people. Go knock on someone else's door and preach your garbage. You have no right to tell me what I should and shouldn't do with my bike, my car or my life in general. If you're too scared of yourself, sucks to be you. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by PerrydaSavage on 11/15/12 at 02:19:03 4B697E614561636D080 wrote:
Mike, I am a Certified Motorcycle Safety Training Instructor with Canada's "Gearing Up" Program since 2008 and we teach standard Emergency Braking techniques to our Students on regular non-ABS equipped motorcycles. Essentially the smooth, progressive application of BOTH front and rear brakes simultaneously in order to try and prevent wheel lock while bringing Bike to a controlled stop as quickly as possible. We urge our Students to practise this drill with their own motorcycle on an empty lot once they leave our Program to get a "feel" for their own Bike and how it will behave under a simulated emergency braking situation. Needing or not needing ABS has nothing to do with a Bikes engine displacement. We have on loan from Honda Canada an ABS equipped 2012 CBR250R and every single MTP Instructor with our local organization has (aggressively) put this Bike thru it's paces on wet and dry pavement and the ABS system has performed flawlessly and kept this Bike in control EVERY SINGLE TIME. Yes knowing proper braking technique for non-ABS Bikes is ESSENTIAL, but do not kid yourself ... ABS is the single most important safety feature to have been introduced to motorcycles in recent history. The fact that such an option is now available at very reasonable cost on an entry-level Bike such as the CBR250R is a sign of the times ... eventually all new motorcycles will be similarly (and affordably) equipped. ABS will be mandatory on all new Bikes sold in Europe within the next couple of years. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Charon on 11/15/12 at 06:07:32 Just this morning (11/15/12) CBS morning news aired a spot saying the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) wants to require all new cars to be equipped with auto-braking collision avoidance systems, lane departure warnings, blind spot warnings, and probably others systems. The claim, of course, is that these systems will save lives, reduce repair costs and damages, and so on. The car makers say the systems will add $3500 to the cost of every vehicle. Okay, Cavi Mike, let's see your comments on that one. |
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Title: What's old is new again.....The CB is back! Post by SALB on 12/12/12 at 16:24:06 And this time without carbs to sync! 8-) http://powersports.honda.com/2013/cb1100.aspx |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by jcstokes on 12/12/12 at 17:10:59 While not wishing to contribute to some of the vehemence on this topic. How do you put ABS on a cable rear brake? |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Serowbot on 12/12/12 at 17:44:40 58737A6974751B0 wrote:
... and the two times a motorcycle is most likely to skid out?... loose dirt or gravel,... and in a turn... Kinda' like wearin' a parachute,... on a train... :-?... |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by arteacher on 12/12/12 at 17:45:36 6042554A6E4A4846230 wrote:
Have you noticed that there are no new bikes, for some time now, that have a hand shift, or a rigid frame? Or why they were called "suicide" shifts? Riding without a helmet is a great feeling, until you fall down. In a couple of provinces in Canada it is mandatory that you have winter tires on your car. The bottom line is these things save lives, a lot of lives. If you don't want a bike with ABS, when ABS is mandatory, don't buy one. You still have a choice. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by hexnut on 12/12/12 at 18:41:53 Only works good on dry pavement. Don't work good in wet, dirt and gravel when you need it most. I have been riding since 1958 and never been down on the road. And no bike I ever had was equipped with ABS. Am I lucky or what.... |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by LostArtist on 12/12/12 at 18:46:19 485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:
... and the two times a motorcycle is most likely to skid out?... loose dirt or gravel,... and in a turn... Kinda' like wearin' a parachute,... on a train... :-?...[/quote] parachute woulda been awesome :D |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Boofer on 12/12/12 at 23:52:25 Charon, I don't want to start a tall table discussion, but I'm not real keen on government mandates to protect me from myself. When I'm not riding cycles I'm reading about them. The experience of test riders plus the $800 to $1200 premium that comes with ABS tells me that ABS may not be the best for everyone...but it does have merit, imo. :) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Cavi Mike on 12/13/12 at 03:28:13 4942424B4748495352260 wrote:
#1) Hand shifts are an inconvenience and rear-suspensions aren't MANDATORY (neither are foot-shifters) #2) That's not your business what I do with my head because it's not your head. #3) I fail to see what that has to do with the mechanical workings of a vehicle. Tires are bolt-on wear-n-tear parts, not integral. #4) Once again - not your business what people do with their lives. #5) How exactly is it my choice to buy a bike without ABS when it's mandatory? My only option is to buy something pre-ABS kind of like buying a car pre-OBDII but here it is 17 years later and already it's getting hard to find them. So, yet another invalid argument. Once things go mandatory due to nanny-state people like yourself, eventually the good stuff slowly disappears. The plain and simple fact is you don't care about my well being or anyone else, you care about forcing your beliefs on others and that's all there is to it. You - as with Charon - are self-righteous. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/13/12 at 03:29:31 Yes, ABS on a motorcycle may not be advantageous for off-road Riding ... BUT, for street Riding it is an advantage for 99% of the conditions a typical street Rider will encounter ... ABS will not and cannot prevent ALL accidents from happening ... Rider training, skill level and experience are ALL still very important! As for wet ... I can assure you from personal experience that motorcycle ABS brakes work VERY well on wet pavement ... Also, to the question about ABS & cable actuated brakes ... I assume you mean as in the cable actuated rear drum that many Cruisers still employ (as the LS650)? Nope, ABS requires hydraulic operated disc brakes and is usually installed for the front ... the CBR250R we have on our Motorcycle Training Course has the ABS on the front brake which is hydraulic disc. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by WD on 12/13/12 at 04:44:07 The federal dept of transportation did mandate right side foot brake, left side foot shift for 1975 model year motorcycles sold in the USA. That's why early 74 built Ironheads are right shift, left brake like old Brit bikes, and mid 74 up are like the Japanese bikes. ABS can self-disable with age. The reluctor rings get dirt packed or corroded and then you have normal brakes. I have yet to drive an ABS equipped semi that didn't have the dash light come on every time the truck was driven in the rain... The rear drum only ABS on my 1994 Ranger (202+ thousand miles on it) still works, and in fact the truck still has its o.e.m. issue shoes in it, with friction material left (drums still have the factory retainer washers). Having ridden bikes with linked brakes (Honda) and with ABS (BMW), I don't much care for them on a bike. But since my first 5 bikes had rigid frames and foot clutch/hand shift... Tank mounted shifter is as safe as the shifter in your car. Shifting directly off the HD tranny, which is behind your leg, takes some getting used to but with practice becomes just as safe. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by mpescatori on 12/13/12 at 05:13:06 0D2F38270327252B4E0 wrote:
You can be a highly experienced rider, but if you happen on a patch of black ice you can lock the front and be on all fours before you realize it. 0D2F38270327252B4E0 wrote:
I am NOT your nanny, but stop kidding yourself, you are welcome to uncap coke bottles with your teeth if that's what you like, but don't go and cry at your dentist's if your teeth are cracked! I REFUSE to pay a single dime for your rehab simply because you think you are a "superior being"... >:( By the way, I have been commuting in sub-freezing weather the last week or so and I can guarantee ABS will kick in and save you from a low-side even at walking speed. I ride my 250Kg.BMW to work; my Savage is now a "sunny, dry weather only" bike. At 53, I'm too young to make fatal mistakes and too old to die young... :-/ |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by oldNslow on 12/13/12 at 06:16:41 I'm kinda with cavi on this one. Regardless of the merits or lack of same regarding ABS on motorcycles, I get irritated when the government tells me what I have to do for my own good cause I'm too stupid or irresponsible to be in charge of my own fate. Getting back to the original topic of this thread though - the MSRP of the 500F is (non ABS) is a couple of hundred dollars less that a brand new S40. If I was shopping for a NEW bike right now the Suzuki wouldn't even be in the running. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Badass94Cad on 12/13/12 at 09:04:57 I know this went totally off subject, but I'm with Cavi. I'm so sick of the government thinking they know what's best for everyone. What happened to freedom and liberty? Mandating TPMS because people can't be bothered to check tire pressure, requiring back up cameras and anti-crash BS because people can't put down the phone and pay attention when driving, not allowing people to have trans-fats in their food or big sodas. MAYBE the world is a safer place, but hardly better. >:( Kick Big Brother out, bring back Natural Selection! 8-) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by hexnut on 12/13/12 at 09:09:51 Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither — Benjamin Franklin |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Dave on 12/13/12 at 09:23:04 200B02110C0D630 wrote:
This should make it much safer to Text while driving! |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by verslagen1 on 12/13/12 at 10:02:13 6D4E4B4E5C5C161B6C4E4B2F0 wrote:
except when natural selection runs my a$$ over to get to the pearly gates. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by jcstokes on 12/13/12 at 20:53:44 WD,I've seen plenty of handshift bikes at Vintage events in my country, I must admit I've never ridden one. I do wonder how people who aren't used to motorcycling would fare if we went back to them. As far as ABS goes, I don't know about bikes but I like the fact that it's on my Camry, even if I don't brake hard enough to use it. If you are a brake masochist, try fiddling with stuffed external contracting mechanical brakes on a '29 Chev, Willys Whippet, or Durant. Or hydraulic ones on a '26 Chrysler. That makes me love the S40 and the Camry. At the risk of being flung out of here, one of the greatest believers in "Natural Selection" was Adolf Hitler. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Boofer on 12/13/12 at 21:34:54 I grew up in the space age, but at age 59 I still gripe and pull against all things new. There are SEVERAL bikes out there with ABS already, and since we have had years of research in cars, the systems are reliable. I drove an 04 Taurus that had the ABS go out. I called the Ford store and found out the module was $800. I told them I grew up without it and could do without it. One reason I ride the Savage is simplicity. I talked to a friend at church just last night who was bragging on the fuel injection on his last three bikes. ABS is just a natural progression to help riders. Remember, ABS can be handy in racing situations as well as the new power limiting choices available to prevent wheelies or wheel spin at an inopportune moment. But the fact remains, I don't trust my government to help me. Remember the joke?: What are the two biggest lies? "The check is in the mail." and "We're from the government and we're here to help you." :) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Serowbot on 12/13/12 at 22:20:31 I wear an FF helmet, in case some fool hits me,.. but, I don't need some automated thingy riding the bike for me... I can ride the bike,.. it's not my abilities I'm worried about... I can turn my own petcock,.. I put up my sidestand,.. and I will not start my bike in gear with the clutch out... .. and if I lock my brakes, it's 'cause I meant too.. PS... let's keep the comments subjective, without getting personal... ;)... |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/14/12 at 00:27:24 6A5455594B5756380 wrote:
WOW!! Really?? The new CB500F less expensive than a new S40?? Gotta look into that as I was planning on selling my ZZ-R250 this coming Spring ... |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by oldNslow on 12/14/12 at 06:15:40 From the websites: 2013 CB500F $5,499 2013 S40 $5,699 |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by WD on 12/14/12 at 07:40:44 jc, 2 of my vehicles have external contracting drum parking brakes on the transmission outputs. Been there. And one of my trucks has twin cylinder front drums (1949 Dodge 1/2 ton), no fun to work on. Perry, you don't need another plastic fantastic... You've been kicking yourself for how long since selling your magazine bike? Just saying... |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/14/12 at 08:13:40 Truth WD ... I've had 2 LS650's over the years and loved 'em both ... a marriage break-up in 2010 saw me foolishly sell my beloved pearl-white '05 (didn't have a spot to store it at the time). I kinda just came upon the ZZ-R (actually my brother found it) and as was dirt cheap and didn't really "care" about it, so bought it as a "tide me over" Bike to keep me on 2-wheels; with intention of only keeping it for one season ... well 2 seasons later and that little Kawi has taught me a few things about Riding ... the handling and comfort are far superior to any Cruiser I've ridden ... the light weight is a plus (weight wasn't an issue with the Savage/S40s either) ... did I mention the handling! I'll ALWAYS love the LS650, but I gotta tell ya, if I can find a 400-650cc naked/Standard that fits my short arse, I honestly dunno if I I can go back to a Cruiser ... that CB500F (naked version) has peaked my interest ... as has Suzuki's GS500E (also naked) and the Sportster-esque VT750RS Shadow. Now if Suzuki would only produce a TU650X ... I'd be all over that like flies on a dog turd! 8-) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by oldNslow on 12/14/12 at 08:36:32 Quote:
Agree. The thing I like least about my bike is the cruiser riding position. I'm much more comfortable with my feet right under my butt and with a higher seat. Spent a lot of time on dirt bikes with seats that were way up in the air, and even though I'm kinda short, not being able to sit on a stopped bike with both feet flat on the ground never bothered me much. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by LostArtist on 12/14/12 at 17:40:41 triumph bonneville, nuff said 8-) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by oldNslow on 12/14/12 at 18:15:05 5774686F5A696F72686F1B0 wrote:
You're readin my mind. My favorite motorcycle of all time. But I don't have the 10 grand that one of the new classics costs OTD :'( I'll be puttin' around on my S40 for the foreseeable future. Not really complaining though. At my age I'm happy to still be able to ride anything. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Charon on 12/14/12 at 19:30:42 I give Triumph very little consideration, for the simple and pragmatic reason that the nearest dealership is 200 miles away. Honda, Kawasaki, Suzuki and Harley dealerships are no more than 35 miles away, and Yamaha about 70. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by WD on 12/14/12 at 22:07:52 We've got the Japanese Big 4, several HD dealerships, Victory, Triumph, BMW, CanAm... several of each within less than 50 miles of the farm. There are a whopping 2, yes TWO, non-cruisers built within the last 20 years that I would buy. Both Kawasaki UJMs (universal Japanese motorcycles), the KZ1000P (police bike) and the ZRX Eddie Lawson replica (either displacement). Other choices? Harley Softail Springer Classic or FX Softail Springer; Kawasaki VN800A or Drifter, 1500 Classic or Drifter; Honda Shadow 1100 ACE. That's it, no European bikes (modern Beemers don't do it for me and I've had a few Triumphs, pass), no Suzukis, no garbage barges (touring bikes), no repli-racers. Truest first choices? Pre-49 HD Big Twin, 1947 Chief w/80" kit, Indian 4 cylinder, BMW R51 w/750cc conversion... you know, old stuff. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Boofer on 12/14/12 at 22:21:01 Let's face it boys and girls--we are motorcycle people. I love the look of the new Mustangs and Challengers. They have the lines of the cars I grew up with. There is a 1978 1000 Gold Wing sitting 10 miles away for $500. The guy says no low balls. IT RUNS. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. I'm thinking of taking it. But could I sell my Savage? I don't think so. We all have different opinions of what to ride, but we want to ride. It's in the looks, the sound, the memories, our prejudices. I could listen to the ring ding of a Kawasaki two stroke triple all day, but the sound of the intake was what blew me away. ABS, traction control, plastic, naked, faired--I've seen some ugly bikes in my day, but I'd love to ride 'em all just to say I did. And we have to admit everybody builds good bikes now. Maybe not to our particular taste, but good. And China is reverse engineering better bikes every day. I can't buy a Chinese bike yet, but my daughter may some day get the yearning for a 1500cc Hong Kong Special Tourer for $3000. ;) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by PerrydaSavage on 12/15/12 at 03:45:25 Yes we are Motorcycle People ... and that's one of the beautiful things about being associated with this particular website! LS650 owners and former LS650 owners alike, we are ALL Motorcycle People! I forgot the Bonneville ... rode a friends 2010 SE last summer ... nice Bike! No dealership here in S.J. Nfld. though ... WD ... always liked the VN800A too ... though as rare as hen's teeth around these parts ... the 800B is common, but me no likey as much ... Wish Kawi would re-introduce the W650 ... and why it sells the W800 in most of the rest of the world except North America is beyond me? Maybe if Honda has a success here with the new "Retro" CB1100, Kawasaki will reconsider? |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by ToesNose on 12/15/12 at 04:42:43 Hopefully the CB1100 will do well and they'll make a new CB650 ;) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Dave on 12/17/12 at 06:19:51 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
As mentioned earlier in this thread....We are motorcycle people and most of use learned to ride without ABS, Safety Switches, and Automatic petcocks. We have learned what a front brake does and doesn't do. But......for the casual or beginner rider....ABS may not be a bad thing. Even the superexotic sport bikes are getting ABS and Traction Control to enable the bikes to be even faster. For those who doubt that ABS might be a good thing for the market and public in general....watch this video and note how many of these bikes went down when the front wheel locked and skidded out from under them. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82308554# |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Boofer on 12/17/12 at 13:52:38 There is one thing in the way of safety issues that I just thought of and agree with. The bike makers got together with only one thought: How can we make all our bikes safer? So they reduced the top speed on an over-the-counter street bike to a maximum of 183 mph. ;) |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Charon on 12/17/12 at 14:01:46 7D5050595A4D3F0 wrote:
That speed limit, which is actually 300 km/hr, came about in response to fears that the European Union would impose speed limits on motorcycles. The makers decided on a "preemptive strike" lest they be faced with differing speed limits in different countries. |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Boofer on 12/17/12 at 14:13:47 You guys just don't get sarcasm, do you? |
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Title: Re: 6 new bikes from Honda Post by Dave on 12/19/12 at 05:28:57 446969606374060 wrote:
I think that is why the internet people invented the LOL thingy...... ;D |
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