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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> First teardown on carb for 95 Savage /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1352581728 Message started by Chris Roth on 11/10/12 at 13:08:47 |
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Title: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Chris Roth on 11/10/12 at 13:08:47 I did my first carburetor teardown today to see where its at. I know the brass plug was already out exposing the tuning screw, so not sure what to expect inside. The previous owner did have just straight pipes on this - literally cut the header and welded on two feet of pipe. Unfortunately it was silver spray paint on it (not high-heat) so its blistering off, but I digress. The needle's washer is the original and unchanged. I will be shaving it down. The jet setup is pilot 52.5 and main 145. The screws on the cover were a pain! Had to convert one to a flat head in order to avoid drilling it out. |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Chris Roth on 11/10/12 at 18:19:26 Well inevitably I managed to harm something in the teardown. Trying to inspect the throttle plate I stripped the brass bolts in it. It was half way out and stripped so I could not get it back in or further out. Had to drill it out and it bent the rear bar that holds the throttle plate. Are these sold separately or is this a new carburetor purchase to fix? I suppose I could try straightening it and get new bolts. But I am concerned of how sensitive this area is to have oddities in the intake... Advice welcome |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/10/12 at 18:32:37 Were I you, I would not allow my pooch near any law enforcement officers. If your pooch squeals on you, youre goin to jail. Inspect a flat plate? For what? IF you can get it to operate smoothly & close off the carb throat like it did before you decided it was in need of attention, then it will live. If you try & fail, you buy a carb.. Mite as well try.,.but right now, I think the best you can hope for is your pooch forgiving you. Before ya go playin in the carb, read some tech posts on carb mods & maintenance,. If theyre not taking things apart & "inspecting" them, you neednt bother either. After thinking a minute, I have to ask,, You started one screw out, it started messing up &, instead of solving that problem, you went for the other screw? |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Chris Roth on 11/10/12 at 19:41:35 Ah, I see this forum is not without humor. Good. I saw the plate had some scoring on it. I have only had it a month, its a 95, and I wanted to check it out. It also seemed to grab a little which turned out to a burr on the edge. I was pulling it out to address this. Once I saw I screwed it up with the second screw removal I knew it was toast. BTW, my pooch is the type that would tattle, how'd you know? |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/10/12 at 20:34:07 Ive had dogs, man,, & theyre NOTHING Like Lassie, ever,, you feed them haul them to the vet, treat them better than extended family & what do they do? They pee in the floor@!They will rat a guy out in a heartbeat,, Good luck, you may save it, if ya do or if ya dont, before ya walk off in something that could bite ya, just ask. There are so many knowledgeable people here who can keep you from stomping the pan in the bear trap its just unreal,, |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Routy on 11/10/12 at 20:37:31 I haven't been very deep into this carb, but if its like all other carbs, the throttle plates are never removed from the shaft, nor the shaft from the carb body, except in a complete factory rebuild. The screws are a one time use only, and are usually impossible to remove, and for very good reason, if a screw ever comes out, it can destroy an engine. But don't feel bad, you are only 1 of many here to hack a carb, resulting in expensive replacements. |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by 07s40scotty on 11/10/12 at 20:48:56 Amen to that Jog... If I were you once you figure out how to fix the mess you have now take it sloooow... If you are reduceing the size of the spacer, keep it intact & grab some washers from the hardware store of the same size instead- that way you can have ur original part and be able to change the spacer size by removing or adding a washer. The jets that are on your bike are the originals, maybe go up a size on the MAIN- two if 1 doesn't improve the bike- I wouldn't mess with the pilot yet- one circut at a time. get that right & then the pilot, but I don't think you'll need to change it IMHO. Clean it good along with the TEV and becareful with small parts & put it back together the way U found it ;) |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Chris Roth on 11/10/12 at 21:13:05 I will be doing all I can to salvage it into a usable state. Thinking at this point some creative bending, new bolts, JB Weld, and some sanding should get it fixed up. Based on how well that turns out, I will determine if I am in a buy position. At least the weather is in a state I am not regretting it too much. |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/12 at 06:30:15 Yea,, if a guys gonna mung something up, nows the time. |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Dave on 11/12/12 at 09:22:05 2D3234332E2918281820323E75470 wrote:
Well.....I guess I need to go out into the garage and look for projects with questionable outcomes. No reason to put them off any longer! ;D |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/12 at 11:11:23 Thats the Spirit! |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by LANCER on 11/12/12 at 14:10:41 263B203C6032213A540 wrote:
No JB Weld inside the carb at all. Outside is ok, but none inside anywhere. |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Chris Roth on 11/12/12 at 15:38:52 2F222D2026317174430 wrote:
No JB Weld inside the carb at all. Outside is ok, but none inside anywhere.[/quote] Even though it is on the throttle plate and shouldn't have contact with gas? I thought this stuff was safe on the block and could handle it. Just curious if you could elaborate so I understand better. |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by LANCER on 11/12/12 at 19:10:19 When you say throttle plate I assume you are referring to the butterfly valve. JB can become brittle and pieces break off, and that's not so good when inside the intake and being sucked into the cylinder |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Chris Roth on 11/19/12 at 14:14:35 I was able to put it back together and its in fairly good shape. Since I had the butterfly valve off at this point, I was able to shave it down to get rid of the scoring. Can only guess that someone had played with it before, either something stuck in there or tool marks. I used a sandpaper flapper wheel to polish it out on the valve and the chamber to a smoother surface. Of course cleaning it thoroughly while disassembled with carb cleaner before reassembling. I did have to replace the one bolt with a m#4 after tapping and threading the hole. Used Red (high strength) loctite to secure it too. |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Serowbot on 11/19/12 at 15:01:02 The carb gremlin has smiled upon you... :)... It is time to thank him, by ringing a bell... if he startles and falls from the bike... smash his little head in with a ball peen hammer... ;D... |
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Title: Re: First teardown on carb for 95 Savage Post by Charon on 11/19/12 at 16:50:45 The throttle plate is indeed exposed to gasoline, as is everything downstream from the main jet. With today's E-10 fuels, it is also exposed to ethanol. Anything that comes loose will be sucked directly into the cylinder by way of the intake valves - unless it manages to get stuck in the valve first. |
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