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Title: ouch Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/12 at 10:49:05 http://thehayride.com/2012/09/maybe-the-best-ad-of-the-political-season-so-far/?utm_source=Nooner%2C+9-5-12&utm_campaign=Nooner+1-25-12&utm_medium=email |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by Serowbot on 10/31/12 at 11:18:59 So,.. one candidate is saying the same thing as last time he ran... ... and the other is saying something different, .. every day... Repeat,.. or Random?... ;D... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyp2QIGejq4[/media] |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/31/12 at 11:20:54 Well,, he IS consistent. And, he is Waay ahead of most, in that his goals for alternative energy are almost being met, singlehandedly by him. He is pushing Solar, And Wind &, by using mainstream media to deliver his words to us, he is managing to Blow( windpower) Sunshine ( theres that Solar) up our collective asses at a rate previously unseen at any time in history,, Lets see if it is enough to drive ( theres the energy produced) the dumb masses into the polling booth & vote for him. Im gonna say his campaign will go the way of Solyndra,, Rombama is gonna win it, &, the American people will lose, once again, Id recommend he blow harder, but I know its not possible. He is, just by that simple fact that he IS blowing, breaking some laws of physics, by sucking & blowing at the same time, |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 10/31/12 at 11:27:35 That is an old link ... he says crumbling infrastructure ... and well I see it right in front of my office ... and atleast 3-4 instances before I get to there ... and 1 fine example of a road that is being completed which has been over run 10 years ago in the other section of town ... Look up I 485 in charlotte ... It is crumbling, we have seen it ... he may have wanted to fix it, but repugs have not allowed it to be funded, so what's the news here ... 4 years later we are in the same spot ... dude, If I blew up my motor running it without oil, and parked it, 4 years later you think it will still be blowed up ... yes and it will be rusty to add to that. Now I need to rust proof it and fix it. Not fixable in 4 years, not fixable without lots of $$$ being spent, not fixable without political consensus, and not fixable if we keep warming up the planet and get 100 year storms every other year. Any one who doubts this is either Super rich, or super selectively stupid. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/12 at 12:04:59 So,.. one candidate is saying the same thing as last time he ran... if after 4 years by your own words nothing is different, well then..... |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by Serowbot on 10/31/12 at 12:27:30 ...but,.. things are different... Iraq war is over,.. Bin Laden is dead,... gays can serve openly,... Obamacare passed,.. the stock market has nearly doubled... job growth for 40 some months instead of losses,... GM has record profits... women get equal pay for equal work... That ain't utopia,.. but it ain't a bad start... Would any of that have happened if Rmoney was Pres?... |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 10/31/12 at 12:31:51 6D5F58494E5F48775B48513A0 wrote:
No one said nothing is different. Example: In place of 1000 broken roads we have 800 ... In place of 1000 barrels of foreign oil we use 800 ... In place of 30 million unemployed, we have 25 million ... Its worth repeating these are all things we need to fix. The alternative candidate isn't saying these things, maybe he's intending to not touch these ... Not that nothing has changed, its changed maybe, just not all completed. I've fixed the blown up motor, new pistons, new rings, valves etc, everything that was needed. Its also assembled. I still need to install it in the bike, fill oil before riding it. Dont look @ it now and say its still blown up cos its not running now. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by WebsterMark on 10/31/12 at 12:49:22 ...but,.. things are different... Iraq war is over,.. Bin Laden is dead,... gays can serve openly,... Obamacare passed,.. the stock market has nearly doubled... job growth for 40 some months instead of losses,... GM has record profits... women get equal pay for equal work... That ain't utopia,.. but it ain't a bad start... Would any of that have happened if Rmoney was Pres?... good exercise. let's see; i'd guess... 1)Iraq War over: yes; that was a done deal, everyone knew it would end soon. 2)Bin Laden dead: yes; I don't think Obama did anything different than Bush was doing trying to find him; it just took time. No US president hesitates to give that order. Even Jimmy Carter would have said yes. (well, okay, maybe not carter.....) 3) gays serve openly: not sure. Maybe yes, maybe no. honestly, I don’t care about this issue. 4)Obamacare passed: hell no, but I consider that a good thing. Now, there may have been the beginning of real reform, hard to say, but for sure obamacare would not even be a topic. 5) stock market doubled: sure, why not? As you like to say, stock market is for the rich guys so why wouldn’t it have double under Romney. By the way, why are you touting this as a good thing?... 6) job growth for 40 months: absolutely, only more likely the jobs would be more full time than part time. The job growth numbers obama likes to tout are a joke. Barely keeping up with population growth and with a greater number of people unemployed, I’d wouldn’t be shouting this from the mountain top. his record here is an embarrassment. 7) GM record profits: no. GM would have gone bankrupt and re-emerged as a different company. There would be no Volt for example which would be a good thing. Other companies would have picked up some market share after they went under and some would have been foreign cars for sure. As far as profits, hard to say on this one since I’m not positive of the accounting procedures in place regarding the bailout money they got. I’ve heard a little that bond holders took losses so that loss doesn’t show up in the profits but this is out of my element to comment on for sure. 8) equal pay for women: no, because as liberals still point out, there is still no equal pay. Not sure Obama's done anything in this area. Not sure a president could or should. However, again I’m not sure how equal pay is calculated. Women have children and tend to leave the workplace for longer periods of time which hamper their pay statistics. isn't that a legit reason for the statistics to show lower pay for women? |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 10/31/12 at 13:44:55 Comparing the 4 years of Obama to Mitt is bogus. The alternative was McCain then ... and I dont notice any one even mention McCain other than me. The trajectory we were on was set by Bush, and I certainly dont see anyone try to defend him. I call that a lose lose for the side that brought us Bush+McCain. If you want to compare Mitt to Obama you would need to compare their present goals for the future. Comparing Obama's past to mitt's promised future is like comparing "food that is yet to be eaten to nuts" Mitt wasn't applying for the job 4 years ago. EOM. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by Starlifter on 10/31/12 at 17:59:41 Webster, oh how you cry for a return to the policies of your war hero "Mission Accomplished!" Bush.... Well face it, it ain't gonna happen. I don't beleive Americans are that collectively stupid. For those who do vote for mitwit, well as PT Barnum once said: "There's a sucker born every minute". |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/12 at 00:09:03 4355425F47525F44300 wrote:
Well,, it takes more than twice as many dollars to buy food & gas,, why wouldnt it take twice as many to buy stocks in a company? If the dollar wasnt just 1/2 of what it was, the market would be where it was. http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/au1825nyb.gif Takes about twice as many dollars to buy an ounce O gold, too. OOops,, looked again, MOre than twice as many dollars.., |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/12 at 00:19:32 26273C3B34213D550 wrote:
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/01/12 at 06:56:06 You didn't like Bush, and you didn't like McCain but you like Romney ? WTF ? I am sorry JOG, Mitt has none of the good qualities of either of those 2 and all of the bad. McCain had serious credentials, darn good character and one very important fact going for him. He was a true war veteran and a POW to boot. A real american hero. No one can put "Mitt the Twitt I have Romnesia to pretend I didn't say 1% of the garbage I said so I can be president" as better. No one. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/01/12 at 07:09:30 Y'know I am reminded of this airhead talking head on WBT that used to be on sunday afternoon a few years ago. Every day from maybe 2005 she would criticize Bush, including call him Horhey W Bush ... You see in a right wing talk station ... they no doubt helped put their man in office cos till 2004 I never heard any criticism of Bush, then promptly turned around and started dogging on him ... that's what you are JOG. Criticisizing the past of the right as a means of saying Mitt is better just shows lack of faith in the Repug Brand. Its really does not help your cause at all. Its like saying all the past presidents who were repugs were crappie, but this guy is great, no one buys that. If anything most people know this one is worse than either of those. Bushies were on for 8 years and left us a load of nuts. Own it, revel in the nuts. Say how shiny the nuts is. That's all the repugs have given us. They are giving the good to the rich and the super rich. See they are supporting both kinds of people. You just need to stave to death being none of those 2. Who asked you not to huh ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/12 at 09:47:32 1312090E011408600 wrote:
DUUUDE!!!! YOure Very Confused, YOure not READING what Ive said, FFS, go find a place where Ive said I LIKE Romney, go find it, |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/01/12 at 10:13:59 Whatever I guess you voted for Bush then criticized him, voted bush again, continued to criticize ... then voted mccain ... and now voting romney ... Sorry your double speak I cannot understand. But the simple rule - If you pick the lesser of 2 evils, you cant complain about that after the general election. Complain all you want in the primary ... but the nominee is the niminee for the whole of that side ... You cant say I'd have voted for Ron Paul, but I only got McBain and now I vote for McBain but I hate him too and again Mitt beat Ron Paul and so I hate him too but I am voting for him ... booooogus. You vote for Mitt = you're not allowed to criticise Mitt. EOM. More of this I was for him till he won then I am against him so whaever he does isn;t as good as ron paul, and we want ron paul in there ... so after 8 years of mitt, ron paul will be dead, so we need to get Rand paul. BS. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/12 at 10:43:32 Do What? I cant criticize who I voted for? By that "logic" a man couldnt fire someone he hired..I Expect Romney to suck, I KNOW Romney is gonna suck. I cant remember if I voted Bush on the first pass, but I can assure you, I didnt support him twice. I voted RP, not Bammy, Not McCain. I knew they would both suck. Every Prez is Gonna suck,because every prez is a puppet & not one of them is allowed to do what the people need. How can anyone explain Bammy putting a Monsatan lobbyist in as FDA head? How can anyone Want him for pres after a stunt like that? I say he sealed his re-election, right there. He did what the globalist/eugenicists wanted. Made up for the Veto on the pipeline. Showed them he would dance on their strings. Now, IF Romney get it, its because they Want the turmoil that will surely follow. Are they really ready to declare martial law? We will see.. But, understand this, we are only watching a puppet show, what the masses see & believe to be "The Leaders" in society are owned & operated by people who do not want what is good for me & you. Thats why things get continually worse for the masses. Surely no one believes the bills that are passed that are not supported by the people arent just passed because their elected representatives dont know what their constituents want. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/01/12 at 10:49:08 That is very convenient JOG, almost as flip flioppy as Mitt the Billionaire Twitt Romney. I guess though You voting for McBain in 08 helps you criticise Obama without any guilt there. Mitt once you vote for him, you know he flip flops depending on the wind, so you dont get to complain unless he stops flip flopping ... I guess. You of course can complain about Obama for 4 more years if Mitt loses. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/12 at 10:55:39 WTF is WRONG with you>? I Never voted Mc Cainm, I can criticize ANYONE, Any Time, whether or not I even voted, Good Grief I had no idea what kind of childish logic you use to operate by, |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/01/12 at 10:59:31 3F2026213C3B0A3A0A32202C67550 wrote:
Once again JOG, you put Obama in office then, doesn't matter what yo usay now, you're responsible for this circus as much as the most liberal of us ... Heck you're more responsible than me. in 08 I didn't have the right to vote, I was not a citizen then. Criticise all you want, its like blaming the cancer on the clerk @ the store you're buying the cigarettes from. You are as responsible as the rest of the sheep. Obamacare, you share in it baby. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/12 at 11:16:35 YOure amazing, absolutely amazing.. How did I put Bammy in office? Hell,, Its not possible to put anyone in office if TPTB dont want them, unless its such a huge landlside that everyone, even the losers, would have to admit it was rigged., I cant imagine what it must be like trying to have a face to face discussion with you,, it would surely be maddening, I see no honor, no intellectual honesty, twist & turn & pretend something has merit as a point & then support it,. It doesnt matter WHO someone votes for OR if the even Vote, everyone has a right to point out failures & criticize. Again, by your logic, no one can be fired by the guy who hired them, |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/01/12 at 11:45:52 47585E5944437242724A58541F2D0 wrote:
Dude STFU. No one is firing Obama. No one has fired the president so far ... Obama is running to be re-elected. AKA re hired. You put Obama in office. You may now put his successor in office, you have no hand in firing Obama. The constitution does. 4 year term ... EOM. However when you are talking about being hired and fired from a job, its not quite the same thing. I think we should limit the discussion to the election and processes surrounding that and not make a job interview out of an election. All the rest ... you are probably right, but not for the reasons you have written. I just used to be an avid debater, jammer etc etc. AKA motor mouth and proud of it. However I also dont spout garbage like some people do. Many an ex competetor would vouch for the frustrations I have wreaked upon them. I have received plenty too, that's the game sir. What is TPTB ? Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/12 at 18:49:07 What is the TPTB? Doesnt matter, man, doesnt matter. YOu simply can not comprehend what Ive said, so, thers no point, I find it strange that I have had doctors whove told me I was every bit as smart as they are. One old dr I knew as kid told me I was smart enough to be anything I wanted to be, Ive sat & had conversations with many professionals, successful, intelligent people, & they never seem to have a problem grasping the concepts I put forth, but you accuse me of double speak when I say clearly BOTH SIDES SUCK,,I chose Romney, because I THINK he will suck less. You want to say I have no right to complain because I put someone in office, ONE, I didnt vote for McCain, I didnt vote for Bammy, BUT, YOUR POsition is IF YOU voted for him, you cant complain about him,, MY position regarding that idiocy is, YOUR Logic would carry in a linear fashion to to also support the statement If you Hired a Guy, You cant Fire the guy, you hired him, you cant complain,, & you cant even grasp that, Its YOUR logic, well,, its your excuse for logic. That you would abandon it when the depths of its foolishness is revealed is no great shock. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/02/12 at 07:22:38 OK JOG lots and lots of strange and hard to comprehend (for me) "logic" ... Our political system is bad. You are I would guess more critical of that ... Lets make it simple. Now If you voted for obama what are you complaining about ? He did not keep his election promises (or did not even try) Or He kept his promises but you dont like the end result. Add any other simple statement if you want to. However the political system isn't Obama or the democratic party ... My complaints about Obama are minimal, but he should not have included so much insurance lobby crap in Obamacare. He should have made proper immigration reform - by throwing out illegals and making it harder to hide and work etc etc, but he never promised that. He should have done the 250k higher taxes - repealing bushies tax cuts, but repugs by then had the power to stop it. The gay's serving openly is a good step too. This inspite of not having a vote in 08. Obama is the lesser of 2 evils, but its a political system that is flawed that gives us these 2 choices. I'd like a open primary regardless of party, top 4 get into a run off ... top 2 then become Pres and VP. Something like that. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/02/12 at 07:31:42 Actually, I would complain Louder if I had voted for him, Those who voted for him trusted him to do certain things & perform in certain ways. I knew better. He didnt break my trust. First thing Ill do when I get in office is bring our boys home, you can take that to the bank., They came home at the time Bush had already agreed to before he left office. YOu dont take the bread & butter out of the Military Ind, Complex mouth, I will have the most transparent administration ever. First act, not bringing boys home, burying he history & closing books. Czars? No LObbyists in the whitehouse? & Now, Monsanto lobbyist id Head of the FDA,, Talk about conflict of interest. You really think theyll do stuff like this right in our faces & NOT be screwin us over where they can, because its behind closed doors? Bammy supporters, WHY do you support this man? MOnsanto lobbyist now heads the FDA!! REally? A Little Fox/Henhouse there innitt?Theyre POISONING US,, look around, |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/02/12 at 07:50:28 So the dates set by bush should have been advanced ? I doubt a faster withdrawl was advised ... in fact it is too fast as we have lots of insurgency now. Plenty transparent ... there is still a lot of stuff that you need security clearance to be able to get your hands on, will never change. OK Lobbyists and monsatan running the FDA ... I see that happen all the time ... @ the FDIC, the Fed, everywhere before and I am sure after Obama. And you said - I voted RP, not Bammy, Not McCain. I knew they would both suck. You mean you wrote in Ron Paul in 2008 ? Dude in a 2 party system any vote for a 3rd party candidate is a vote for the winner. You should know that. Sorry man our political system is intended to circumvent your way of thinking ... you need to vote for the 2 that are the front runners ... the third is always a distant third, nothing but a full on shift in our system is going to change that. Vote for Big bird if you like, the winner will count you as his supporter. Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/02/12 at 08:38:11 Whatever logic is used to support that,, Its false, I Support who I support. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by srinath on 11/02/12 at 09:16:21 435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
Fine vote Ron Paul ... like I care. You're in Texas right ... your state is so red makes no difference ... Cool. Srinath. |
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Title: Re: ouch Post by Paraquat on 11/03/12 at 05:29:30 There is so much to say in this thread I wish I had gotten here sooner. I don't have enough time to say what I want to say before I leave work. I'll return. --Steve |
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